What is your political ideology?

[Red Green]

I'd pick Paul, since he's the most conservative.

But he's soft on terrorism, so says Christi! Not 'conservative' enough!

 

[erowe1]

But he's soft on terrorism, so says Christi! Not 'conservative' enough!

Christie needs a realignment. The conservative answer to terrorism is the same as it is for everything else, less government, not more. So Christie's the liberal.

See what I did there?

 

[Red Green]

Christie needs a realignment. The conservative answer to terrorism is the same as it is for everything else, less government, not more. So Christie's the liberal.

See what I did there?

According to McCain, Rand is more liberal than Obama on national security. To you conservative might mean "less govt", but consider the company that is kept in 'conservative' circles and tell me that one would assume from that group that a conservative stands for less govt. As I said, the meaning in the lexicon is muddled and is hardly synonymous with 'small govt'. If anything, 'libertarian' is far more associated with what you describe than 'conservative'.

 

[erowe1]

According to McCain, Rand is more liberal than Obama on national security. To you conservative might mean "less govt", but consider the company that is kept in 'conservative' circles and tell me that one would assume from that group that a conservative stands for less govt. As I said, the meaning in the lexicon is muddled and is hardly synonymous with 'small govt'. If anything, 'libertarian' is far more associated with what you describe than 'conservative'.

But the truth is, I don't think conservative circles take McCain and Christie as good judges of conservatism.

The "libertarian" label is toxic. I'm not one of those. I don't support everyone running around naked and smoking pot. I just want less government.

 

[Red Green]

But the truth is, I don't think conservative circles take McCain and Christie as good judges of conservatism.

The "libertarian" label is toxic. I'm not one of those. I don't support everyone running around naked and smoking pot. I just want less government.

So is outlawing pot and having dress codes to you "less govt"? I don't support everyone running around naked and smoking pot either, but I do support really good looking women running around naked and those who enjoy smoking pot and who are of age or have their parents permission smoking it. I also support those who want to be modest and being modest (especially the fat and ugly ones) and those who want to abstain from smoking pot doing those things as well. Does that make me more 'conservative' than you?

 

[erowe1]

So is outlawing pot and having dress codes to you "less govt"?

Definitely not. That would be almost as bad as mandating pot smoking and nudism.

 

[Red Green]

Definitely not. That would be almost as bad as mandating pot smoking and nudism.

OK, but why would you include not endorsing those as part of 'conservatism'? I'm getting confused.

 

[Invi]

Voluntaryist. Checked AnCap.

 

[erowe1]

OK, but why would you include not endorsing those as part of 'conservatism'? I'm getting confused.

For one thing, when conservatives are put off by the "libertarian" label, it's because of thinking of libertarians that way.

For another thing, that was pretty much what Rand said.

 

[Cabal]

Voluntaryist. Checked AnCap.

Same.

 

[Red Green]

For one thing, when conservatives are put off by the "libertarian" label, it's because of thinking of libertarians that way.

For another thing, that was pretty much what Rand said.

I think the 'conservatives' who are put off by the libertarian label are the same ones who support drug prohibition and govt mandated modesty, so in a sort the term 'conservative' appeals to people who by your definition are less 'conservative' than you.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Hmmm, so "Freedom Fanatic" became an anarcho capitalist because of Erowe and Sola Fide, but yet Erowe actually calls himself a "conservative," and Sola Fide refuses to pick a label. So some people here are converting others here to anarcho capitalism even though they themselves aren't anarcho capitalists.

Its not quite as simple as that, but then, Ron Paul has never claimed to be an anarchist, yet how many of them has he created?

I'm not as picky with labels as some people. My views on predestination are normally referred to as "Calvinism", so while many people will deny being Calvinists because they don't follow Calvin (I don't, I haven't yet even read his work) or because they don't agree with him on everything (Again, I don't agree with him on infant baptism, eschatology, or statism) but at the end of the day, despite what some trolls will try to bait you into, the term "Calvinism" refers to a specific theological system of predestination, which I subscribe to, so I embrace the label.

I don't support the state, and I support the free market, and as such I would be an "Anarcho-capitalist."

In other words, I'll usually just use the commonly accepted labels for things even if I don't think they're fully accurate, except in extreme cases. Erowe1 and Sola_Fide are both opposed to the state as well, so I don't know why they won't label themselves ancaps, but it really doesn't matter anyway.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Sola converted him to a belief in predestination? So that makes sense: predestination --> spontaneous order --> austro-libertarianism. The market is self organizing, only God can direct it, as he controls all events...thus no role for a central planner. That's how the connection went in my head anyway

Sola didn't convert me to believing in predestination. I was leaning that way for awhile. A conversation about salvation with my extremely Arminian grandmother made me realize how important the issue is.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

Same.

Same x2.

 

[Brett85]

Erowe1 and Sola_Fide are both opposed to the state as well, so I don't know why they won't label themselves ancaps, but it really doesn't matter anyway.

Erowe is a conservative.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Erowe is a conservative.

He might use that term to describe himself, but he's not like any other conservative I've seen. I could define myself as "conservative" as well depending on context.

Take a look at this thread:http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?426940-Is-Statism-Biblical&highlight=statism+Biblical?

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I wonder how many who voted for the "something else" category would also describe their views as fully anti-state, as well?

 

[erowe1]

I wonder how many who voted for the "something else" category would also describe their views as fully anti-state, as well?

Also in the "conservative" category, at least half of us are fully anti-state.

 

[July]

Sola didn't convert me to believing in predestination. I was leaning that way for awhile. A conversation about salvation with my extremely Arminian grandmother made me realize how important the issue is.

I just meant, that it makes sense coming from that angle too, and that the idea need not have come from an AnCap for you to have drawn that conclusion.

 

[Christian Liberty]

What the crap is half of three?