What is the purpose of this forum existing anymore?

[mrsat_98]

Just when I thought there will never be a presidential election worse than the last along comes this one. Prayers for the American People.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

We need a new plan. A better plan.

RON PAUL 2020!

 

[PaulConventionWV]

This is a pretty silly question. Ron is not running for anything anymore but he's still out there spreading his message on TV and his youtube channel, and we would like to help facilitate with that. Rand is up for re-election and we need to make sure the leading voice for liberty in the senate remains there for another 6 years. Walter Jones, who is the member of congress neocons despise most, is facing a tough primary challenge from a Bush crony and could possibly lose his seat. Amash and Massie are also up for re-election, although their seats are pretty safe. There are other liberty candidates too, such as whoever the Libertarian nominee will be, and there will be more in the future. There will never be a liberty majority in Washington, but having a few outspoken voices on the national stage sure helps to raise important issues and influence the national debate, and prevent things from getting even worse.

Besides liberty candidates, there are many other reasons for this forum to exist and for people to be involved with political activism. There is a ballot initiative in your state to legalize marijuana for example, which is still in the process of collecting signatures. Maybe you could volunteer for that. And despite all your hopelessness about how bad things are, that is an area where a huge amount of progress has been made toward increasing liberty over the past decade.

There are other areas where progress has been made too. I disagree with your assessment that war has increased. We have not gotten into another major war while this forum has been in existence. It almost happened with Syria, but the American public was strongly opposed, including many conservatives. That is something that probably would not have happened in the past, before Ron came along. Also an agreement was signed with Iran and war has been avoided for the foreseeable future. In regards to sound money and auditing the fed, no we will probably not have either of those any time soon, but great progress has been made in educating the public. Which may eventually bear fruit in the future.

Your apparent hopelessness that anything can be achieved to move more toward liberty is misguided.

Your long-winded reply to a simple question could also be called a bit silly.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Giving up is FAIL.

Giving up, even in the face of certain destruction is candy-ass.

And sometimes it's simply the best option and opens up to countless possibilities that would have been lost had you continued to chase a futile endeavor for the sake of not appearing "candy-ass."

 

[afwjam]

I'm pretty sure the forum is here to make America great again!

 

[pcosmar]

I'm pretty sure the forum is here to make America great again!

HMmm

This land is wondrous,, beyond osan's eloquence. and the people are pretty cool when you get to know them.. Coast to coast and all in between.

The government sucks,, but folks are realizing that.

I don't want to make America Great again. I just hope good people will protect each other.

 

[jct74]

Your long-winded reply to a simple question could also be called a bit silly.

The idea that nothing good is accomplished here and we might as well give up because everything is hopeless -- that is something that needs to be thoroughly refuted. I know you are a very negative person who believes that kind of stuff though, hence your irritation with a post that goes against the hopeless narrative you wish to spread. I do not wish to see that narrative spread on the other hand, because it is counterproductive, counterfactual, and shits on the hard work of a lot of great people.

 

[osan]

And sometimes it's simply the best option and opens up to countless possibilities that would have been lost had you continued to chase a futile endeavor for the sake of not appearing "candy-ass."

What you appear to be saying is that you would prefer to exist on your knees, subject to the will and caprice of another man than to fight even in the face of virtually certain destruction.

You are entitled to that view, but I do not share it. What are some of those "countless possibilities" to which you refer? They would seem all to be those that might be imposed upon you by your master. They might even be pleasant, but so what of it when they are the product of another's will, imposed upon you regardless whether you want it? It appears you prefer the gilt cage, which is the greatly prevailing fashion of the Meaner. I have no objection with your choice, but because I have no interest in it at all, it offends me that others would require my dancing to a tune and having to pay for it. It is an offense in the truest sense of the word.

 

[Working Poor]

The reason this forum is still here is because many of us have been blogging together for several years about many things not just Ron Paul. We fight like cats and dogs, share information, console one another, and have our safe cyber space to come hang out with our cyber family. I hope Ron Paul forums stays around for years to come.

 

[TheTexan]

We need a new plan. A better plan.

RON PAUL 2020!

Well, it wont make sense to primary against Trump in 2020 so the soonest Ron can run again is 2024. If Ron doesn't win in 2024 we can try again with Ron in 2028.

In the mean-time, Ron should be busy endorsing people, in preparation for a possible 2024 run.

 

[tod evans]

What you appear to be saying is that you would prefer to exist on your knees, subject to the will and caprice of another man than to fight even in the face of virtually certain destruction.

You are entitled to that view, but I do not share it. What are some of those "countless possibilities" to which you refer? They would seem all to be those that might be imposed upon you by your master. They might even be pleasant, but so what of it when they are the product of another's will, imposed upon you regardless whether you want it? It appears you prefer the gilt cage, which is the greatly prevailing fashion of the Meaner. I have no objection with your choice, but because I have no interest in it at all, it offends me that others would require my dancing to a tune and having to pay for it. It is an offense in the truest sense of the word.

And there you have it!

Couldn't be said any better...

 

[Ronin Truth]

What else in your life has purpose for existing anymore?

 

[oyarde]

What else in your life has purpose for existing anymore?

I took five of the Grandkids for a walk down the creek this afternoon . Hope they can afford the property taxes when I am gone to keep the place .

 

[Warlord]

Bryan has taken on the forum and is going to try and give it a new identity and purpose. Im really excited to see how things progress

 

[acptulsa]

Bryan has taken on the forum and is going to try and give it a new identity and purpose. Im really excited to see how things progress

Bryan should have paid more attention to all of those Sola_Fide discussions.

Bryan is trying to do something even God knew was impossible. Bryan is trying to create a set of rules which is devoid of loopholes, which encapsulate, preserve, protect and defend the spirit of the law through the letter of the law.

It's a fool's game that even Jesus did not attempt. Jesus told parables, and let those with eyes to see and ears to hear get the message. Jesus openly flouted the letter of the law in order to elevate the spirit of the law above it.

Now you have what amounts to a distraction going on during the election season, like the Marquis de Quensbury Rules being rewritten during the heavyweight title bout. How is the activism to work around that?

I remember when this forum had purpose. It's purpose was not to give each individual free speech no matter how disruptive it was. It's purpose was to give ideas counter to the mainstream agenda an outlet where this particular bit of free speech could be heard above the fifty billion watts if paid speech blaring out of every media outlet.

Just look at the new posts board now. Have fun hanging around just another mainstream echo chamber, people...

 

[phill4paul]

Bryan should have paid more attention to all of those Sola_Fide discussions.

Bryan is trying to do something even God knew was impossible. Bryan is trying to create a set of rules which is devoid of loopholes, which encapsulate, preserve, protect and defend the spirit of the law through the letter of the law.

It's a fool's game that even Jesus did not attempt. Jesus told parables, and let those with eyes to see and ears to hear get the message. Jesus openly flouted the letter of the law in order to elevate the spirit of the law above it.

Now you have what amounts to a distraction going on during the election season, like the Marquis de Quensbury Rules being rewritten during the heavyweight title bout. How is the activism to work around that?

I remember when this forum had purpose. It's purpose was not to give each individual free speech no matter how disruptive it was. It's purpose was to give ideas counter to the mainstream agenda an outlet where this particular bit of free speech could be heard above the fifty billion watts if paid speech blaring out of every media outlet.

Just look at the new posts board now. Have fun hanging around just another mainstream echo chamber, people...

Personally, I'm excited about Bryan's attention to the site. He seems to have a plan and it will be interesting to see how it plays out. I don't see where counter ideas are being suppressed.

 

[tod evans]

I remember when this forum had purpose. It's purpose was not to give each individual free speech no matter how disruptive it was. It's purpose was to give ideas counter to the mainstream agenda an outlet where this particular bit of free speech could be heard above the fifty billion watts if paid speech blaring out of every media outlet.

Just look at the new posts board now. Have fun hanging around just another mainstream echo chamber, people...

I'm still posting my opinions........

 

[PaulConventionWV]

What you appear to be saying is that you would prefer to exist on your knees, subject to the will and caprice of another man than to fight even in the face of virtually certain destruction.

You are entitled to that view, but I do not share it. What are some of those "countless possibilities" to which you refer? They would seem all to be those that might be imposed upon you by your master. They might even be pleasant, but so what of it when they are the product of another's will, imposed upon you regardless whether you want it? It appears you prefer the gilt cage, which is the greatly prevailing fashion of the Meaner. I have no objection with your choice, but because I have no interest in it at all, it offends me that others would require my dancing to a tune and having to pay for it. It is an offense in the truest sense of the word.

If that's your view, then violence might be the answer for you. Why change the system from the inside, acting like you're engaged in some hot battle when all you're really doing is negotiating? If you want to have the freedom to live your life to the fullest, then stop paying attention to every little infraction and just go out there and live your life to the fullest. Crying and whining and trying to change things from the inside are pointless. If you really want to not be candy-ass, as it were, then go overthrow the goddamn government. Fight back against the police. Be a rebel for real. If all you're really doing is talking, then you're no less candy-ass than I am for no longer trying to negotiate the system in hopes of somehow making things a little better in your lifetime, if that were ever possible. For now, I'm living my life to quite a full extent out of the grasp of the American government and although the land I'm in now is also somewhat oppressive, I find it easier to stomach since I'm not brave enough to start a violent revolution, and I doubt you are either.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

The idea that nothing good is accomplished here and we might as well give up because everything is hopeless -- that is something that needs to be thoroughly refuted. I know you are a very negative person who believes that kind of stuff though, hence your irritation with a post that goes against the hopeless narrative you wish to spread. I do not wish to see that narrative spread on the other hand, because it is counterproductive, counterfactual, and $#@!s on the hard work of a lot of great people.

You calling my narrative hopeless is like calling Ron Paul an isolationist. I'm one of the most hopeful people on this forum because I believe there is still hope to live your life fully without spending your time and resources trying to change the system from the inside. The people who blindly cling to a cause as if it's the only thing in life worth fighting for are the hopeless ones. Only once you stop acting like changing the government is the only way to make a better future can you truly ACT to make a better future for yourself by plunging into the market of ideas, coming up with new and creative ways to help people who need it, providing a service, making connections, and doing what you want with your life. The ones who act like they can only live freely by changing the system are the ones who are truly on their knees. There are other ways to fight the system beside the ballot box, like giving people something they want so much that they are willing to fight the system with you just to get whatever it is you are giving them. Either that, or take over the damn capitol. My narrative is not hopeless, it's enlightening and truly freeing, a new attitude that helps you see the world not as a series of ballot boxes, but an endless sea of opportunities that have nothing to do with elections or politics or voting. That's all pointless. Life is still out there to live if you're willing to face the reality and go seek it even against the odds. That's truly the only way to not be candy-ass. Make a life and fight for that life. Don't fight for the system.

 

[osan]

If that's your view, then violence might be the answer for you. Why change the system from the inside, acting like you're engaged in some hot battle when all you're really doing is negotiating? If you want to have the freedom to live your life to the fullest, then stop paying attention to every little infraction and just go out there and live your life to the fullest. Crying and whining and trying to change things from the inside are pointless. If you really want to not be candy-ass, as it were, then go overthrow the goddamn government. Fight back against the police. Be a rebel for real. If all you're really doing is talking, then you're no less candy-ass than I am for no longer trying to negotiate the system in hopes of somehow making things a little better in your lifetime, if that were ever possible. For now, I'm living my life to quite a full extent out of the grasp of the American government and although the land I'm in now is also somewhat oppressive, I find it easier to stomach since I'm not brave enough to start a violent revolution, and I doubt you are either.

The hell?

This is so failed, I don't even know what to say in response.

It is clear we will not agree, so I will simply drop it and declare you the winner.