What is the official campaign strategy? No brokered convention, no third party.

[Pauliana]

Posted this in another thread:

"There is a silver lining.

The economic collapse is mathematically inevitable. No mater what anyone does. I don't think President Paul could fix the tsunami of a century of bad economic policy is bringing on.

But by the time it hits, the new president will take the blame in the minds of the general population.

President Paul could not save us.

But the coming years will make him a prophet, not a perpetrator.

Brace for it. It won't be pretty."

Maybe the campaign strategy is to just dodge the bullet coming at whoever "wins" the presidency.

Gosh, you wonder why we have so few good candidates this go round. Maybe smart, qualified people realize its going to be a really crappy job to have after Bush 43 and Helicopter Ben...

Maybe the best thing in the long run really is to galvanize the remnant, educate and wake up whoever we can so that one day we can get back on track and our ideas won't be blamed for the impending collapse.

 

[Brent H]

Anyone who thinks Dr. Paul has a "strategy" to become President at this point simply is out of touch with reality. The only way he could possibly win is if McCain gets struck by a bolt of lightning in the next month or so, and any rational person can see this. Dr. Paul clearly stated that he wasn't going to run on a 3rd Party ticket.

Is it possible that McCain could get struck by a bolt of lighting? Yes, but I wouldn't plan my life around the possibility. I would suggest that RP supporters do the following:

1) Get your financial affairs in order and convert paper assets into hard assets (gold, silver, platinum, paladium, etc.) ASAP.
2) Stock up on essential items in preparation for hyperinflation.
3) Give Dr. Paul time a month to finish dealing with his Congressional challenger.
4) When Dr. Paul starts issues requests for help, follow his lead.

You have about a month of respite to get your own personal affairs in order, in preparation for the upcoming financial storm while Dr. Paul is dealing with Chris Peden, so take advantage of the time and then be ready to get back in the game a month from now.

To those who say this is "defeatist", let me say that this: Ron Paul's supporters have completed their obligation to their fellow citizens to warn them of what's coming. Your duty to your country has been discharged. You can't force people to heed warnings when they refuse to listen.

 

[Leroy_Jenkems]

I always thought his responses to the "will you run as a libertarian?" questions were to scare the other candidates. If Paul runs as a libertarian the democrats win.

I can still see Paul being offered a position like Secretary of the Treasury, maybe even VP. That would be a victory in my book.

Somehow, I don't see him taking the VP nod, since he certainly doesn't agree with either of the other two in the running for the GOP nom.

Secretary of the Treasury would be a good appointment for Dr. Paul, though.

 

[nc4rp]

yo, 7 months till the convention. brokered convention likely, win some majorities, time for people to see the light, presto 2nd or 3rd wave in brokered convention Paul emerges victor.

Lincoln went into the brokered convention with only 11 delegates.

 

[raiha]

Thanks Alex Merced. One of the saner people on our board with the right attitude and the right tenacity IMHO. I wish you a fulfilling political career.

We'll still be a democratic nation

Hmm. Democracy is spawned in violence. American Democracy is a violent democracy. It's had it's way with the world and everyone in it for too long. But given you have shot your self in the foot economically i guess China will soon be our new master.

Like poor old frantic Feel Good, i hold out little hope of even an election this year. Watch the internet disappear, watch the camps fill up. You've already got camps, even if they are in Cuba and the Middle East for now. They have a tendency of spreading when so called extraordinary circumstances prevail. The War on Terror will never end. Torture is sanctioned. What occurs to enemy combattants of foreign lands mirrors what is occurring in the homeland.

When the people are no longer perceived as the inaugurators (bearing rights and freedoms) of policies and law but are ACTED UPON by a governmental machine preoccupied with protection and security, a cunning switch has taken place. Democracy has returned to sovereignty. As a nation, you quiver with fear and the government tells you they know what is good for you and you acquiese in your hundreds of thousands stumbling blindly to the ballot boxes.

Ron Paul knows only too well whats afoot. I can spot his true foot soldiers a mile away, the Generals.
Disclaimer: I exclude many of the people on this forum from my 'you' statements.

 

[threecats]

Spot On Post

I thought this was going to be a revolution, as in third party run and a challenge to the two old parties. But I guess not. Now it is a reform movement, trying to change the Republican Party.

Ron said there is almost no chance of a brokered convention, and he will remain a Republican and not run as a Libertarian. Since McCain will be the nominee, what is the point of being a delegate for Ron? It seems to be a pointless effort of demonstrating against the rest of the Republicans. Are the Ron Paul delegates supposed to work our way through the system to the Republican national convention? For what purpose? To be labeled as unrealistic supporters of a candidate with no chance of becoming the nominee? Can anyone explain what the strategy and goals are? Or am I the only stupid one who can't "read between the lines" and figure it out on my own? Why not explain it in plain terms? Are people afraid of our opponents seeing our strategy? We have nothing to hide, we aren't trying to enslave a nation with a fiat monetary system, we are trying to liberate our citizens. What good is a strategy when even the followers don't know what it is or what we are trying to accomplish?

I really wish the campaign would lay out all the options with the positives and negatives:

Continue seeking the Republican nomination:
positive:

• be able to run as a Republican for congressional seat.
• work within an established political party.

negative:

• won't get the Republican nomination in a brokered convention since McCain is the nominee.
• working within a corrupt political party.
• won't be on the ballot as a presidential candidate.
• won't be able to take the message of freedom and limited government directly to all the voters as a presidential candidate
• Zero chance of winning the presidential election

Run as a Libertarian for president:
positive:

• Keep presenting the message of freedom to the American people until November.
• Be able to run with hundreds of like-minded Ron Paul Libertarians, helping to spread the message.
• Better chance of winning the presidential election with name on the ballot in all 50 states, than not having name on ballot at all.
• Build a true revolution by building a third party to challenge and eventually replace the Republican party.

negative:

• Have to deal with an incompetent political party that doesn't know how to strategize or run effective campaigns.
• Would have to build the Libertarian Party into a credible party, get competent people to lead the states and national organizations.
• Would have to convince many supporters to join the LP.
• Would have to sacrifice Ron's house seat if he runs as a Libertarian.
• Get blamed for "stealing votes" from Republicans, allowing the Democrat to win.

I'm sure there are many other factors to include. But my first question is still: what is the official campaign strategy?

You got it finally someone said it!

 

[Liberté]

To the OP

I think Ron Paul has always been very clear on 2 subjects, (1) that he is a Republican and would not run 3rd Party, (2) his goal was to reform the Republican party, to influence the party platform.

Ron Paul always made himself very clear on this, many simply decided to not listen, or to delude themselves, or didn't even bother to find out. <--- you will find many Rebels without a Clue around here.

 

[NeoRayden]

Thats funny try telling that to the thousand of libertarians around thecountry that currently hold an elected office as a libertarian.

 

[JohnM]

To change party policy at national is a possibility - as is a remote chance McCain keels over and dies.

A week is a long time in politics, and there are many weeks until the GOP convention. Even if McCain does not literally keel over and die, he may do so politically.

However, my guess is ... McCain gets clobbered - which will be a nice repudiation of the neo cons, pro-war, and a liberal republican.

Reforming the repub party is really the best option to meet the goals of freedom.

QFT

 

[NeoRayden]

The libertarian party is a joke of a party. They've been around for decades and have yet to have a single successful run for any public office.

Thats funny try telling that to the thousand of libertarians around thecountry that currently hold an elected office as a libertarian.

 

[TulsaRevolution]

http://www.gopconvention.com/history/default.aspx

"National conventions combine three important functions: nomination of candidates for office of President and Vice President; formulation and adoption of a statement of party principles - the platform; and adoption of rule and procedures governing party activities, particularly the nomination process for presidential candidates in the next election cycle."

Imagine what we can do with a majority of Ron Paul supporters at the national convention. [size=+1]Even if many of them are blocked from voting for Ron Paul for the nomination[/size],[size=+2] they can vote on changing the platform as well as the rules and procedures.[/size]

This has my interest. I'd like to delve deeper into the possibilities here.

 

[Jejuforliberty]

Dude, there was NEVER any intention of a third party run. The only third party talk was from defeatist on the forums, trying their best to sabotage RP's campaign. Why do you think I have railed so hard, on all the defeatist speak here, and started putting them on ignore? NOW the defeatist are trying to derail his campaign by diverting your attention and donations away from his Presidential bid, toward his Congressional race. Guess what, those defeatist are going on my ignore list now, as well.

For some reason, typical Americans have a short attention span, and can't seem to keep their eye focused on the ball. The only thing that matters, the ONLY thing is the Presidency. If Ron Paul is not elected, for whatever reason, by 2010 it is all over. This country changes, it is all over. Hello RFID, hello NAU, hello Amero, good-bye Constitution, goodbye to all of our freedoms and liberties. There wont be a Congress for Ron Paul to sit his ass at, by 2010. Do you people not understand this? Do you all not understand we are on the brink? The breaking point? It is now or never. The hell with his Congressional seat, it doesn't matter.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!

The only defeatists are the ones who ruled out the only chance Ron Paul ever had of winning. That was a third party run. A bunch of idiots on this forum tried, and pretty much succeeded in stifling any debate about a third party run when it needed to be addressed. Now the campaign has come to a screeching halt because of all of the talk of a brokered convention. That idea was just plain stupid and it was promoted long after there was any chance whatsoever of pulling it off.

 

[jason43]

Would have to sacrifice Ron's house seat if he runs as a Libertarian.

This is the biggest thing.

Without this seat, we have NO voice in DC outside of some thinktanks.

 

[ArrestPoliticians]

Would have to sacrifice Ron's house seat if he runs as a Libertarian.

This is the biggest thing.

Without this seat, we have NO voice in DC outside of some thinktanks.

We now know that these think tanks are frauds as well(Cato, Heritage).

 

[seeker1]

Hey Cricket:

Then go away. You all have the delegates all figured out, so go vote for the Libertarian candidate and keep your sad and silly posts off here. That goes for more than you, too

Cram it.

I am not a Ron Paul pet sheep anymore than I am a GOP sheep. If you just want sheeple to toe the line you go away and keep your sad and silly posts off here.

You people are dumber than a bag of hammers.

 

[seeker1]

Are you serious?

Would have to sacrifice Ron's house seat if he runs as a Libertarian.

This is the biggest thing.

Without this seat, we have NO voice in DC outside of some thinktanks.

Do you really think without his seat we would be without a voice? What is he, liberty god? You folks are so adamant that this is a revolution, but don't have enough faith in your own ability to actually have one.

A third party, all inclusive, is the only way we can beat the system. And all this talk about reforming the party from with in is the defeatist talk.

 

[seeker1]

You are absolutely right!

The only defeatists are the ones who ruled out the only chance Ron Paul ever had of winning. That was a third party run. A bunch of idiots on this forum tried, and pretty much succeeded in stifling any debate about a third party run when it needed to be addressed. Now the campaign has come to a screeching halt because of all of the talk of a brokered convention. That idea was just plain stupid and it was promoted long after there was any chance whatsoever of pulling it off.

The brokered convention is just another control feature of the two party "UNCONSTITUTIONAL" agenda.

But for some reason, these revolutionaries just talk about it.

 

[KevinDW78]

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION! FOR ALL OF OUR SAKES I WILL TRY TO EXPLAIN SO YOU CAN ALL UNDERSTAND!!!

May of THIS YEAR 2008, the National ID goes into affect. Google it, learn about it, WAKE THE FUCK UP! It starts this year, God damn it people, WAKE UP!!!!

The National ID is the predecessor for collecting and storing your info for the up and coming RFID chip. The RFID chip once implanted, will give the government total control over YOU! WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!

The technology is already there. With GPS in the RFID chip they can track your every movement. They will always know where you are, and if youre a bad boy or girl, and dont do as youre told, they simply turn off your chip, and YOURE FUCKED!

Ok, Time to stop watching The Matrix.

 

[KevinDW78]

1) Get your financial affairs in order and convert paper assets into hard assets (gold, silver, platinum, paladium, etc.) ASAP.
2) Stock up on essential items in preparation for hyperinflation.
3) Give Dr. Paul time a month to finish dealing with his Congressional challenger.
4) When Dr. Paul starts issues requests for help, follow his lead.

I second this. This has been my [personal] strategy as well. (I think that's a good philosophy here. Most of us agree that the people running the RP campaign were shoddy in their "strategy". So since we can't count on their strategy, let's each come up with our own individual strategies so that we are prepared for the real revolution when it comes.)

 

[Liberté]

Thats funny try telling that to the thousand of libertarians around thecountry that currently hold an elected office as a libertarian.

I would not call the LP a joke party, but they are a powerless party. They hold a tiny share of political offices, usualy on a local level (and even that is rare). It is a rare LP you see in any State of Federal position.

They are not a joke, they just lack the juice. It is the bell curve, they are on the uber fringe of society, and have no appeal to the centrists. Some people may respect their devotion, but who wants to be ruled by a zealot of any kind? Not me.