What is the official campaign strategy? No brokered convention, no third party.

[Fox McCloud]

what good would running as a Libertarian or Constitution Party member do? It'd be like preaching to the choir.

if he stays in as a Republican, then he gets the chance to further spread the message...and, if by total chance Huckabee drops, and McCain withdraws (he becomes sick, etc), then Ron Paul is the automatic winner...I'd give this about a 1 in a 1,000,000 chance of happening though...so don't bet on it.

 

[Richie]

I'm really sick of hearing people call the LP a joke. Yes, it's dysfunctional - but it's not a joke.

 

[KevinDW78]

The official campaign strategy is to take the $25 million we gave him to lead a revolution and get re-elected as a career politician to his house seat.

 

[teamrican1]

A brokered convention is not going to happen. McCain has pretty much officially won the nomination. In order for a brokered convention to happen either Huckabee or Paul will have to get at least 60% of the vote in the rest of the primaries. Paul more than Huckabee because he has less delegates. They actually went through the scenario on CNN. Even if Huckabee wins every state from here on out with 50% of the vote and McCain wins 40% and Paul wins 10% McCain will still cross the nomination threshold first. Both Huckabee and Paul need mathematically impossible wins and a political miracle to pull off a brokered convention much less a win. McCain has this in the bag and there is little we can do to stop him at this point.

After SuperTuesday, McCain needed about 41% of the outstanding delegates from there on out in order to cinch the nomination. Yesterday was his first big test, and he got clobbered. His best showing was the 30 some percent he got in Louisiana, but that got him zero delegates because he needed 50% for the primary to even count. In Kansas he got shut out when Huckabee won that winner take all state by a 3-1 margin, and McCain couldn't even get out of the 20 percent range in Washington State. Stop listening to what the media tells you. CNN is still reporting that Paul only has 16 delegates! These people have no idea what they are talking about and have an agenda that is utterly opposed to our own. Huckabee and Paul can not win the nomination outright, that's true. But unless McCain starts doing much better than he did this weekend, he won't either.

 

[ronpaulyourmom]

After SuperTuesday, McCain needed about 41% of the outstanding delegates from there on out in order to cinch the nomination. Yesterday was his first big test, and he got clobbered. His best showing was the 30 some percent he got in Louisiana, but that got him zero delegates because he needed 50% for the primary to even count. In Kansas he got shut out when Huckabee won that winner take all state by a 3-1 margin, and McCain couldn't even get out of the 20 percent range in Washington State. Stop listening to what the media tells you. CNN is still reporting that Paul only has 16 delegates! These people have no idea what they are talking about and have an agenda that is utterly opposed to our own. Huckabee and Paul can not win the nomination outright, that's true. But unless McCain starts doing much better than he did this weekend, he won't either.

He's up 30 points in winner take all Virginia next Tuesday, and up 50 points in Maryland for the same day as well. He's also leading in Ohio and PA, and he's likely to win Vermont and Rhode Island and DC as well. Those states alone should give him 250-260 delegates and bring his total to over 1000. Beyond those states there are 13 left representing nearly 600 delegates. If he can win between 1/4 and 1/3 of those delegates, the nomination is his. Since none of those states are winner take all, the likelihood that he gets what is needed is quite high.

Even if it went to the convention... the only fight would probably be over who would be his VP. I cannot imagine a scenario where Ron Paul or Huckabee becomes the nominee.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

I'm really sick of hearing people call the LP a joke. Yes, it's dysfunctional - but it's not a joke.

Amen. Exactly what has the Republican party accomplished to reverse the explosion of the welfare-warfare state over the last 70+ years, to put them in a position to judge the lack of success of third parties? Efforts to reverse the trend both inside and outside the GOP have been structurally suppressed by the media/establishment. THAT IS THE MAIN REASON FOR FAILURE, not the secondary internal issues in the GOP and LP.

It is silly to see some posters high-handedly describe as 'defeatist' anybody who simply wants Paul to be on the ballot on Election Day on WHATEVER line. The GOP route is a main means, but only A means, to get him there. What if it's defeatist to keep chasing for change in a corrupted, elite-controlled major party that just kneecapped its only decent candidate during the primaries? What if it's more productive to use these seven months and an already developed network to build an independent candidacy, than to pursue a brokered GOP convention Paul himself thinks probably won't happen? Exactly which route is defeatist, really?

 

[tomveil]

He's up 30 points in winner take all Virginia next Tuesday, and up 50 points in Maryland for the same day as well. He's also leading in Ohio and PA, and he's likely to win Vermont and Rhode Island and DC as well. Those states alone should give him 250-260 delegates and bring his total to over 1000. Beyond those states there are 13 left representing nearly 600 delegates. If he can win between 1/4 and 1/3 of those delegates, the nomination is his. Since none of those states are winner take all, the likelihood that he gets what is needed is quite high.

Even if it went to the convention... the only fight would probably be over who would be his VP. I cannot imagine a scenario where Ron Paul or Huckabee becomes the nominee.

Nobody knows how many delegates ANYBODY has, except for the winner take all states.

 

[Cholo]

^ some good points. (last 2 posts)

what good would running as a Libertarian or Constitution Party member do? It'd be like preaching to the choir.

if he stays in as a Republican, then he gets the chance to further spread the message...and, if by total chance Huckabee drops, and McCain withdraws (he becomes sick, etc), then Ron Paul is the automatic winner...I'd give this about a 1 in a 1,000,000 chance of happening though...so don't bet on it.

And this post really got me thinking - imagine what would happen if John McCain died. I don't remember if that's happened before in history, but that would really throw things in the air. I don't know about his dad, but his mom is old and well, so I guess that's unlikely.

 

[Feelgood]

The world isn't going to end if another establishment candidate makes it in. It will be tough times that's for sure but America has seen worse. We will pull through and when we do we need to be ready to take control. The goal was the white house. But now that goal is impossible to accomplish and we need to reevaluate our goals. Otherwise this movement will die when Ron Paul bows out.

Ok, no one said the world will end. For Christ sake, do you not pay attention to what you are reading? Again, this proves my point about the short attention span of Americans. You can't even stay focused through reading a post, and comprehend what it really says.

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION! FOR ALL OF OUR SAKES I WILL TRY TO EXPLAIN SO YOU CAN ALL UNDERSTAND!!!

May of THIS YEAR 2008, the National ID goes into affect. Google it, learn about it, WAKE THE FUCK UP! It starts this year, God damn it people, WAKE UP!!!!

The National ID is the predecessor for collecting and storing your info for the up and coming RFID chip. The RFID chip once implanted, will give the government total control over YOU! WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!

The technology is already there. With GPS in the RFID chip they can track your every movement. They will always know where you are, and if youre a bad boy or girl, and dont do as youre told, they simply turn off your chip, and YOURE FUCKED!

Our dollar is almost completely worthless, and this is what the FED and CFR want. Once it is worth nothing, and you cant even buy a loaf of bread, and youre crying boo hoo hoo my family is starving, what can I do? The government comes in, says HEY WE HAVE AN ASWER TO SAVE THE DAY! All we have to do is dissolve our borders, pool our resources with Mexico and Canada, and together we will all be stronger and better. And what do you know, we already have something setup as such a contingency. Look at this pretty money, we are going to call it the Amero! Wow what a pretty piece of paper this new Amero is, and with it, you can but yourself a loaf of bread! WooHoo!! Thank you for saving us government! Youre the bestest! Now, just so you know people, what this means is, we have to get rid of the US Constitution, its just an outdated God damned piece of paper anyways. Who needs it? We sure dont! And now as the new North American Union, we are much stronger then we were before...woohoo, Go us! Of course, now we will be a bit more of a police state, its the only way we can ensure there wont be a collapse in the future of the Amero, so you give us all your freedoms, and let us make all the decisions for you, and all will be well.

By 2010 this is our reality. The will be no more United States of America. There will be a North American Union, and our freedoms and our sovereignty are lost forever. Done! Over! Thats it!

This is why I don't give a rats ass about Ron Paul's Congressional seat, and any of you that do, are clueless, and in two years, I will be here laughing hysterically at you. The only thing that matters, the only thing that will stop what is coming, is President Ron Paul. Why in the HELL do you guys think the "establishment" fights to God damn hard to keep him out?!?!?

WAKE UP PEOPLE! WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!

 

[alarga]

Why give up before its over?

It aint over until the Mac reaches the magic number.

Who knows? Maybe he won't make it? He just lost big time to the Huck. Stranger things have happened.

Im not saying its likely, im just saying dont roll over and play dead until you're actually shot.

 

[nosebruise]

The official campaign strategy is to take the $25 million we gave him to lead a revolution and get re-elected as a career politician to his house seat.

and how does this work exactly?

you do realize he can't just take those funds and use them for congressional runs like it was the same campaign right? you do realize that he has to ask for donations for his congressional run, right?

 

[Xyrus2]

I always thought his responses to the "will you run as a libertarian?" questions were to scare the other candidates. If Paul runs as a libertarian the democrats win.

I can still see Paul being offered a position like Secretary of the Treasury, maybe even VP. That would be a victory in my book.

If Paul doesn't run as a libertarian, the democrats win. If Paul eats cherry cheesecake and smokes a fatty, the democrats win.

It doesn't matter what the republicans or Ron Paul does. Unless they make Ron Paul the nominee the democrats will absolutely OBLITERATE any republican candidate that is presented to the public. As it stands right now, a large majority of us are going to be writing in Ron Paul regardless of what happens. I will not vote for McCain.

The GOP thought it would be prudent to spurn Paul and his supporters thinking that we'd all come on back to the good ol' GOP and support Mr. Polished Turd McCain when everything was said and done. They were wrong. And that's 6% less that McCain will get in the general election (trust me, he will need it).

The GOP will learn one way or another that there are consequences for one's actions. In this case, a crushing defeat at the hands of the democrats will do just nicely. It might just make them reconsider their neocon agenda and get back to more conservative principles.

~X~

 

[LibertyEagle]

The official campaign strategy is to take the $25 million we gave him to lead a revolution and get re-elected as a career politician to his house seat.

Actually, no. My understanding is, the congressional campaign is not using any of the money we donated to the presidential campaign. It is my understanding that they are not allowed to do so, by law.

 

[Feelgood]

If Paul doesn't run as a libertarian, the democrats win. If Paul eats cherry cheesecake and smokes a fatty, the democrats win.

It doesn't matter what the republicans or Ron Paul does. Unless they make Ron Paul the nominee the democrats will absolutely OBLITERATE any republican candidate that is presented to the public. As it stands right now, a large majority of us are going to be writing in Ron Paul regardless of what happens. I will not vote for McCain.

The GOP thought it would be prudent to spurn Paul and his supporters thinking that we'd all come on back to the good ol' GOP and support Mr. Polished Turd McCain when everything was said and done. They were wrong. And that's 6% less that McCain will get in the general election (trust me, he will need it).

The GOP will learn one way or another that there are consequences for one's actions. In this case, a crushing defeat at the hands of the democrats will do just nicely. It might just make them reconsider their neocon agenda and get back to more conservative principles.

~X~

Bingo!

 

[gharalam]

Triple posted by accident sorry
**Edited**

 

[gharalam]

Edited

 

[Johncjackson]

A revolution has very little to do with electoral politics and nothing to do with a 3rd party, IMHO.

 

[Crickett]

There is no strategy to win and there never was. And except for all the hoopla, the presidential campaign is over.

The focus has changed to keeping the congressional seat and those of us supporters that still have primaries to go are left wondering.

Too sad.

Then go away. You all have the delegates all figured out, so go vote for the Libertarian candidate and keep your sad and silly posts off here. That goes for more than you, too

 

[mkrfctr]

Money gathered in one race, once that race is over or the candidate drops out can use the money in just about anyway they see fit (short of just giving it to themselves or a friend, etc)

The reason he's asking for congressional donations is because he hasn't dropped out of the pres race yet. Once he does that money can be used for any of his campaigns in the future, someone else's campaign, donate it to a PAC, form a PAC, etc etc.

And to answer the OP - the plan seems to be to make a show of force - get as many delegates as possible to show the GOP how strong this movement is and how high a % of the repub party stands behind the message. To change party policy at national is a possibility - as is a remote chance McCain keels over and dies.

However, my guess is Obama takes the dem nom, McCain takes repub - McCain gets clobbered - which will be a nice repudiation of the neo cons, pro-war, and a liberal republican.

Going 3rd/Independent is a short ticket to fail island.

Reforming the repub party is really the best option to meet the goals of freedom.

And yes, if shit hits the fan before 2012 or 2016 - well then, take solace in the fact that it was unlikely from the start to get RP as pres on any ticket, repub or 3rd/independent.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

Ok, no one said the world will end. For Christ sake, do you not pay attention to what you are reading? Again, this proves my point about the short attention span of Americans. You can't even stay focused through reading a post, and comprehend what it really says.

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION! FOR ALL OF OUR SAKES I WILL TRY TO EXPLAIN SO YOU CAN ALL UNDERSTAND!!!

May of THIS YEAR 2008, the National ID goes into affect. Google it, learn about it, WAKE THE FUCK UP! It starts this year, God damn it people, WAKE UP!!!!

The National ID is the predecessor for collecting and storing your info for the up and coming RFID chip. The RFID chip once implanted, will give the government total control over YOU! WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!

The technology is already there. With GPS in the RFID chip they can track your every movement. They will always know where you are, and if youre a bad boy or girl, and dont do as youre told, they simply turn off your chip, and YOURE FUCKED!

Our dollar is almost completely worthless, and this is what the FED and CFR want. Once it is worth nothing, and you cant even buy a loaf of bread, and youre crying boo hoo hoo my family is starving, what can I do? The government comes in, says HEY WE HAVE AN ASWER TO SAVE THE DAY! All we have to do is dissolve our borders, pool our resources with Mexico and Canada, and together we will all be stronger and better. And what do you know, we already have something setup as such a contingency. Look at this pretty money, we are going to call it the Amero! Wow what a pretty piece of paper this new Amero is, and with it, you can but yourself a loaf of bread! WooHoo!! Thank you for saving us government! Youre the bestest! Now, just so you know people, what this means is, we have to get rid of the US Constitution, its just an outdated God damned piece of paper anyways. Who needs it? We sure dont! And now as the new North American Union, we are much stronger then we were before...woohoo, Go us! Of course, now we will be a bit more of a police state, its the only way we can ensure there wont be a collapse in the future of the Amero, so you give us all your freedoms, and let us make all the decisions for you, and all will be well.

By 2010 this is our reality. The will be no more United States of America. There will be a North American Union, and our freedoms and our sovereignty are lost forever. Done! Over! Thats it!

This is why I don't give a rats ass about Ron Paul's Congressional seat, and any of you that do, are clueless, and in two years, I will be here laughing hysterically at you. The only thing that matters, the only thing that will stop what is coming, is President Ron Paul. Why in the HELL do you guys think the "establishment" fights to God damn hard to keep him out?!?!?

WAKE UP PEOPLE! WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!

Unfortunately it's pretty much impossible for Ron Paul to be president at this point. Even if he wins every primary from this point forward he will not win the nomination. And he will do even worse as a third party because NO ONE takes third parties seriously regaurdless of how many good points they make.

Why am I being called a defeatist by people on this board when there are people like you on this board saying Ron Paul is our only hope and without him America as we know it will be destroyed. America will still be here. It will be in bad shape but we'll all still be here. We'll still be a democratic nation. We'll still have certain rights that will take much longer than a single presidential term to get rid of.

As long as we still have the right to speak and the right to vote we have a chance at succeeding peacefully. And it's going to take a lot of terrorist attacks to convince America it's best to give up those rights.