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Wiserphil

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state or city to live in. I am in Greenville SC and it is very socialistic. I got a parking ticket the other day and before I could repeal it I had to pay it. Plus their is so much money in this town. All the rich people care about is more money. I have heard that New Hampshire is pretty cool, but I was looking somewhere out west. What do ya'll think?
 
Wiserphil said:
state or city to live in. I am in Greenville SC and it is very socialistic. I got a parking ticket the other day and before I could repeal it I had to pay it. Plus their is so much money in this town. All the rich people care about is more money. I have heard that New Hampshire is pretty cool, but I was looking somewhere out west. What do ya'll think?
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NH, MT, AK, in that order.
 
Wiserphil said:
state or city to live in. I am in Greenville SC and it is very socialistic.
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It is very characterized by "a social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community"? :confused:
 
Wiserphil said:
Plus their is so much money in this town. All the rich people care about is more money.
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"As I watch government at all levels daily eat away at our freedom, I keep thinking how prosperity and government largesse have combined to make most of us fat and lazy and indifferent to, or actually in favor of, the limits being placed on that freedom." - Lyn Nofziger

I live in Arizona and it's not bad compared to other states (I'm always comparing California to Arizona). It's more Conservative than Libertarian, but the gun laws are pretty laid back. Open carrying is legal, and I have a concealed weapons permit, which just cost me $120 and an 8 hour class. We also don't have to register our guns. Also, the schools situation here is pretty good if you prefer private or home schooling.
 
NH is the most free and has something that no other state has: The Free State Project. Unlike other states, we have liberty lovers moving in every week and this helps to reactivate the NH natives who have the Live Free or Die attitude. The NH 9-12 project is closely aligned with FSPers and they tend to be more libertarian than most other states' 9-12 groups. If nothing else, come up here for a visit and announce it on the FSP forums and people will show you around or give you some advice on your visit's itinerary. The best time to come is in the summer at the Porcupine Freedom Festival (aka Porcfest). You'll get to meet a wide array of people and typically there's free drinks during the festival. It's hard to get a feel for everything that is going on up here unless you're here. Oh, we also have the NH Liberty Forum in March which is more of a convention style celebration. This years keynote speaker is Judge Andrew Napolitano, I can't wait to see him in person.
 
Wyoming, New Hampshire, Montana, Alaska, and Vermont only because of it's gun laws.
 
New Hampshire, definitely. And with all the activists from all over the country migrating there as part of the Free State Project, it's getting better and better every day.
 
Wiserphil said:
state or city to live in. I am in Greenville SC and it is very socialistic. I got a parking ticket the other day and before I could repeal it I had to pay it. Plus their is so much money in this town. All the rich people care about is more money. I have heard that New Hampshire is pretty cool, but I was looking somewhere out west. What do ya'll think?
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I think all cities are socialistic by nature.
San Diego is certainly highly socialist, but compared to LA or SF I guess it's less so.
 
RevolutionSD said:
The poster asked what city is the most libertarian, lots of people are answering with states.
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But, living in a city is affected by what goes on on the state level. We have the most representative legislative body in the country and the 3rd largest in the world. We just had a special election for state rep in Concord, which normally leans democratic. Yet, we elected a libertarian-republican because of help from FSPers and 9-12ers.
 
NH - re: visit during summer... would that be because of the waist to chest high snow banks during winter? :D

Also, from the topless open carry thread - at least one city isn't that "free" - OR or WA are more free on the topless part... not sure on the carry part.

VT isn't that free on carry or class IIII.

MT isn't that bad if you don't mind their 350:1 ratio of sheep:women... oh - and their bestiality laws are really, really strict :D

seems like I was going to comment on one other state - but I ferget...

-t
 
For what's it's worth, I love Greenville. I can't vouch for the politics, but I find it hard to beat overall. I used to live just outside G-vegas for 10 years. If you like the area, stick around and build a coalition to change the politics. We all can't move to one city or state. I think that would make us pretty vulnerable. Stick it out and fight the local battles, everywhere.
 
Leviathan said:
It is very characterized by "a social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community"? :confused:
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I like how socialists think that they somehow have control over the government. In small towns, you have a say in local government. Go to your State House and see how much control you have over that monstrosity, never mind the war causing fed.

OP, you should come up to New Hampshire as part of the free state project. There are 800 movers and another 1500+ local activists. We now have almost 10,000 people signed up to make the move. There are several towns that now have higher concentrations of liberty activists (Manchester, Seabrook, Keene (if you like CD stuff), Portsmouth, Barrington, Dover, Grafton, etc)

Just sign up at freestateproject.org and pledgebank.com/Next1000 (if you will get here by 2011). There are tons of good things going on up here, bud.
 
I'd say NH is the best place. It's also the state in the best position to improve because of the Free State Project and other groups encouraging liberty lovers to move and/or get active in NH.

Here is a study about freedom compared in the various states, http://freestateblogs.net/node/5745

Why New Hampshire?
http://whynewhampshire.org/

Out West isn't bad. Maybe AK, WY, SD, MT or CO. AK is far to isolated and harsh for most folks though. CO is becoming less free and that will continue to happen at an even faster rate, IMO. For most folks, WY, SD and MT are the best options west of the MS River.
 
I don't know about the specifics of the political structure, but Colorado seems to be decently libertarian, or at least liberaltarian.
 
Why does everyone say New Hampshire if Ron Paul only got, I think 8% in the Republican primary there? He did much better in other states like Montana, Nevada, Alaska.
 
AZ has lots of big open spaces and is quite gun-friendly (we have open-carry laws). FWIW, We're going to be voting on nullifying Obamacare in the next election, I hear. :cool:

I personally prefer the northern climbs for the weather, but business and culture seems to gravitate towards Phoenix/metro. We're also home to some of the more active members of the movement like Ed Vallejo. (I look forward to meeting him one day:o)

Overall, I would call AZ "conservatarian" with a libertarian streak. JMHO.
 
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