What is the make-up of Rand Paul's base?

[Vanguard101]

How do you define government, Vanguard101? I'm thinking that it is a body representative and made up of, by and for the people of the United States of America.

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[Smitty]

The reason I asked the question is because Rand seems to spend a totally inordinate amount of time attempting to appeal to Boobus. Boobus will vote for who he's told to vote for,..and he won't be told to vote for Rand. (Bill O'Reilly and Rachel Maddow will see to that) As for the Liberty voters, this forum makes it very clear that even those who still choose to inhabit this forum are deeply divided about a Rand Paul candidacy.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Rand,..but I'm not a fan of anyone else who has expressed a desire to run for the Presidency.

I won't work against a Rand Paul nomination, but I honestly don't understand where he thinks he will come up with enough votes to make a serious run at the nomination.

Rand doesn't generate nearly as much enthusiasm as Ron did, and even that wasn't enough.

Rand isn't an idiot. He understands this.

So,...I guess my ultimate question is, "Is Rand truly serious about running for President?"

I don't think so. And if he's not, what are his motives?

 

[Vanguard101]

The reason I asked the question is because Rand seems to spend a totally inordinate amount of time attempting to appeal to Boobus. Boobus will vote for who he's told to vote for,..and he won't be told to vote for Rand. (Bill O'Reilly and Rachel Maddow will see to that) As for the Liberty voters, this forum makes it very clear that even those who still choose to inhabit this forum are deeply divided about a Rand Paul candidacy.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Rand,..but I'm not a fan of anyone else who has expressed a desire to run for the Presidency.

I won't work against a Rand Paul nomination, but I honestly don't understand where he thinks he will come up with enough votes to make a serious run at the nomination.

Rand doesn't generate nearly as much enthusiasm as Ron did, and even that wasn't enough.

Rand isn't an idiot. He understands this.

So,...I guess my ultimate question is, "Is Rand truly serious about running for President?"

I don't think so. And if he's not, what are his motives?

Hell no. Rand, by far, generates more enthusiasm.

 

[Smitty]

Just to illustrate a point,..at this moment there are 41 people in the Ron Paul forum and 18 in the Rand forum.

 

[philipped]

Just to illustrate a point,..at this moment there are 41 people in the Ron Paul forum and 18 in the Rand forum.

Rand is talked about WAY WAY WAY more in various circles then Ron ever was. This is factoid. This site should not be your determinant in seeing if Rand has support nationwide. People on this site don't like how far he goes to be "anti-war but willing to fight for the nation" and things of the sort. But what that has done is opened up Rand to be an option for people I didn't think I'd come across as being pro-Paul. As a lady in Republican club a couple miles Northeast from me. Yes, boobus is real but Rand's style of outreach can break to them.

 

[Smitty]

Yes, boobus is real but Rand's style of outreach can break to them.

Well,...that might be a possibility if it wasn't for the fact that the media is in control of what Boobus thinks,...and YKW controls the media.

 

[Crashland]

I'm not talking abut elections themselves. And I was just getting ready to edit that post to clarify my thought on that. What I'm talking about are enterests that operate counterintuitive to what actually generates enthusiasm with regard to becoming active toward one's principles. I would use those classes that Matt brings up once in a while as an example. The problem with that is that you get an enthusiastic kid who believes and agrees with everything that he just heard Ron Paul say but then when he goes up to Ron and asks what he could do to become a part of that in a productive way, Ron sends him to some dolt who tells the kid to forget about all of those principles and...oh, btw...here....I need you to help me get my right to work meme rolling. Foreign policy? Meh...we won't worry with that. And so the kid never gets to act upon anything that brought him to want to advance his principles. In fact, he does that which is quite the opposite. And, of course, Ron doesn't know what is going on. You know?

Of course, I agree with you in that we need to work to ensure that the Lindsey Grahams of the world do not keep getting elected. It's a tough road, man.

What do you mean by "never gets to act upon anything that brought him to want to advance his principles"? What acts did you have in mind?

 

[Krugminator2]

Just to illustrate a point,..at this moment there are 41 people in the Ron Paul forum and 18 in the Rand forum.

I have no idea what that even means.

Just to put things in perspective. If Rand ran against Ron in the Republican Primary, Rand would win by a minimum of 85 points. He actually has the capability of winning a head to head match up against an establishment candidate.

Enthusiasm isn't the goal. Winning and making the country more free is the goal. A lot of the enthusiasm for Ron comes purely because is an outsider. If he actually had a chance to win, those same people would drop him like a hot potato.

 

[Smitty]

Well,...good luck.

But it's a bit perplexing to me that so many people aren't able to process what transpired during the 2012 GOP primary.

It should be obvious to all who watched that the political process in national GOP political matters is highly corrupt,..and those who corrupt the process will not be swayed by Rand Paul.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

The reason I asked the question is because Rand seems to spend a totally inordinate amount of time attempting to appeal to Boobus. Boobus will vote for who he's told to vote for,..and he won't be told to vote for Rand. (Bill O'Reilly and Rachel Maddow will see to that)

Q. If the media is all powerful, how did Rand get elected to the Senate in the first place?

 

[Smitty]

State election, not federal.

The apparatus which controls what passes for the federal government these days doesn't really care who goes to Congress.

It owns Congress. For that matter, it owns the executive branch also,...but it prefers someone who is easy to work with in the executive branch. And it doesn't want the liberty movement to become any more troublesome than it already is. So,..anyone who even hints at being genuinely predisposed to liberty will be eliminated from contention during the primaries.

This is the USSA, folks.

 

[William Tell]

State election, not federal.

The apparatus which controls what passes for the federal government these days doesn't really care who goes to Congress.

It owns Congress. For that matter, it owns the executive branch also,...but it prefers someone who is easy to work with in the executive branch. And it doesn't want the liberty movement to become any more troublesome than it already is. So,..anyone who even hints at being genuinely predisposed to liberty will be eliminated from contention during the primaries.

This is the USSA, folks.

Give me a break, U.S Senate is a federal election.

 

[Smitty]

Well,..it's federal to the extent that it's a federal office,..but the senate is chosen by voters in the state they hail from.

Like I said. The apparatus which controls the federal government doesn't care who comes to its congress. Congress is owned by the powers that be,..as is the executive branch,..as is the judicial.

Like I said,...the USSA.

 

[Krugminator2]

Well,...good luck.

But it's a bit perplexing to me that so many people aren't able to process what transpired during the 2012 GOP primary.

It should be obvious to all who watched that the political process in national GOP political matters is highly corrupt,..and those who corrupt the process will not be swayed by Rand Paul.

The biggest reason Ron Paul didn't become the nominee wasn't the GOP. Ron Paul had no chance of winning from start. There is a reason no one attacked him in the debates even when he was doing well in states. There is a reason no one attacked him and the media didn't vet him until a couple weeks before Iowa. A septuagenarian, minor House Rep. that has views that are out of step with most of the party is not becoming President. If Romney or someone wanted to firebomb Ron Paul with ads of Alex Jones clips and doomsday predictions and newsletter quotes, they could have nuked him in a week if he became a threat.

Rand Paul is doing his best to preemptively address issues that he will be harshly attacked on if he becomes a serious threat. It isn't an accident that Rand Paul is addressing Israel so much and minorities.

 

[Smitty]

The biggest reason Ron Paul didn't become the nominee wasn't the GOP.

As I said, it's perplexing to me that so many people can't process what transpired during the 2012 GOP primary.

 

[torchbearer]

 

[William Tell]

I heard this same defeatism when Rand was running for Senate: "They don't care who's in the U.S House, but they will never let a Paul be in the Senate" We heard a lot of that, but Rand won in a landslide. There's always people telling us we can't get up the next hill. So far they have been wrong. Will Rand win? I don't know. But he has more of a chance than any grassroots candidate in a long time.

To say they don't care who is elected to congress is absurd. Of course they do, that's why they try so hard to defeat good candidates. And to oust people like Justin Amash and Walter Jones.

 

[Krugminator2]

As I said, it's perplexing to me that so many people can't process what transpired during the 2012 GOP primary.

Good point. I forgot the role the Builderbergers and Rothchilds played in keeping him from exposing the New World Order.

 

[Smitty]

obviously

 

[osan]

Give me a break, U.S Senate is a federal election.

Civics "education" FAIL.

If it were a federal election, everyone in the nation would be voting on every senator in the land. It is a state election of their "representatives" in DC.

Jesus... are you serious?

No soup for you.