What is the best tack to take with friends

[KingRobbStark]

The best tack is to be as cool as fuck.

 

[Indy Vidual]

It's normal to lose touch with some people as you grow older.
This is a great chance to tell everyone what you really think of Mittens.

 

[affa]

I have been seeing some of the Ron Paul activist turning to Romney. I think there trying to suck up to their establishment friends and colleagues

ron paul activists turning to romney? lol. don't believe it for a second.

 

[wgadget]

Tell them that ALL the candidates are banker pre-approved, that they ALL support TARP and other big corporate bailouts, that we are OWNED by the banker class, and that if they elect ANY of the candidates, bank bailouts are guaranteed to infinity.

Is that what they really want?

When they come back with, "Well, Ron Paul didn't win," show them why:

http://ralphlopez.hubpages.com/hub/...-is-Ron-Paul-Nomination-Paul-Campaign-Demures

 

[tod evans]

Whats the best thing to do or say?

 

[EBounding]

friends turning to Romney

Whats the best thing to do or say?

I just smile and nod. There is no reason to make them mad at you.

At least with rank and file GOP and Tea Party supporters I've met, they like Ron Paul and what Campaign for Liberty is doing, they just think getting Obama out of office is the most important. They think he's a Marxist bent on destroying the country. That may be true, but obviously the system still works enough to keep him from implementing his full agenda.

But there's no reason to argue and burn that bridge because they will not be convinced otherwise and neither will you.

Even if Romney wins, it's not going to hurt our movement. As long as we stay engaged and involved, we will be in a position to cause Romney and the GOP significant "political pain". This is the upside to Romney winning since we can't influence Obama's agenda because he's a democrat. I'm not endorsing Romney at all, I'm just saying it's not going to hurt our movement if he wins.

 

[Okaloosa]

I just smile and nod. There is no reason to make them mad at you.

At least with rank and file GOP and Tea Party supporters I've met, they like Ron Paul and what Campaign for Liberty is doing, they just think getting Obama out of office is the most important. They think he's a Marxist bent on destroying the country. That may be true, but obviously the system still works enough to keep him from implementing his full agenda.

But there's no reason to argue and burn that bridge because they will not be convinced otherwise and neither will you.

Even if Romney wins, it's not going to hurt our movement. As long as we stay engaged and involved, we will be in a position to cause Romney and the GOP significant "political pain". This is the upside to Romney winning since we can't influence Obama's agenda because he's a democrat. I'm not endorsing Romney at all, I'm just saying it's not going to hurt our movement if he wins.

My advice is not to tell people what not to do, but to instead have something proactive. How about convincing a hardcore republican that the swing state of Iowa will decide the election and that the Iowa Republican party needs money to win and they will use it on their ground game. Or perhaps how Kurt Bills a republican can beat the democrat for senate in MN if they donate. Convince them to donate and focus on local elections and key races.

We are better off positioning ourselves for the future with important races rather than getting into arguments. Outside of that the people volunteering and working now will be more likely to do it in the future. Try to stay on good terms and get them on your side.

 

[randpaul2016]

Tell them that ALL the candidates are banker pre-approved, that they ALL support TARP and other big corporate bailouts, that we are OWNED by the banker class, and that if they elect ANY of the candidates, bank bailouts are guaranteed to infinity.

Is that what they really want?

When they come back with, "Well, Ron Paul didn't win," show them why:

http://ralphlopez.hubpages.com/hub/...-is-Ron-Paul-Nomination-Paul-Campaign-Demures

nice

i lol-ed

 

[WesSeid]

Ask them what they like about Romney besides not being Obama. Unless they say how they love Romney's pro stance on bailouts, gun grabbing, NDAA indefinite detention, etc, it shouldn't be too hard from there.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Plant seeds about Ryan's actual horrible record.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

When the candidate I support in the primary loses, I just tend to keep my mouth shut in regards to the general election. There is nothing to gain by coming out against the GOP candidate, and I feel that I would run the risk of alienating a person whom I may be able to convince to vote for a candidate of my choice at a future date.

 

[bunklocoempire]

friends turning to Romney

Whats the best thing to do or say? I dont go on full attack mode, thatd be like the worst thing to do...Im starting to see more obama and romney stickers as well and I just shake my head...but whats the smartest thing to do when friends turn to romney?


Ron Paul, independent, 3rd party>>>>2 party system

no1butpaul

Paul refused to endorse McCain and the liberty movement grew. (Assuming your friends want liberty)

Hope is no strategy, neither is desperation or rewarding bad behavior. Ask them to compare the results of their "strategy" with this:

Where are the McCain inspired candidates? Oh yeah, there are none.

Truth is what inpires folks, not watered down garbage.

 

[randpaul2016]

Just told this to one of my friends on facebook because he posted about Paul Ryan destroying Joe Biden in the debate

"Paul Ryans budget plan takes 30 years to balance, adds 11 trillion dollars in debt, requires the debt ceiling to be raised, and never actually decreses spending."

that was after him praising his budget plan. Im not the only one another dude is bashing Paul Ryan too lol

 

[WesSeid]

Just told this to one of my friends on facebook because he posted about Paul Ryan destroying Joe Biden in the debate

"Paul Ryans budget plan takes 30 years to balance, adds 11 trillion dollars in debt, requires the debt ceiling to be raised, and never actually decreses spending."

that was after him praising his budget plan. Im not the only one another dude is bashing Paul Ryan too lol

I said that to someone, and they said, "I don't think so. I'd like to see your source on that."

So I pointed them to Paul Ryan's website.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

No reason to tell them anything at this point. Should have done that early on in the primaries.

 

[July]

My advice is not to tell people what not to do, but to instead have something proactive. How about convincing a hardcore republican that the swing state of Iowa will decide the election and that the Iowa Republican party needs money to win and they will use it on their ground game. Or perhaps how Kurt Bills a republican can beat the democrat for senate in MN if they donate. Convince them to donate and focus on local elections and key races.

We are better off positioning ourselves for the future with important races rather than getting into arguments. Outside of that the people volunteering and working now will be more likely to do it in the future. Try to stay on good terms and get them on your side.

+ rep

Instead of focusing energy on trying to pry them away from Romney, try to encourage enthusiasm for races that are still winnable, and meanwhile keep planting seeds and educating.

 

[sailingaway]

When the candidate I support in the primary loses, I just tend to keep my mouth shut in regards to the general election. There is nothing to gain by coming out against the GOP candidate, and I feel that I would run the risk of alienating a person whom I may be able to convince to vote for a candidate of my choice at a future date.

You've only been here since May, did you even support him in the election? Because someone who didn't support him coming in here and saying it would be best if we just stayed silent even if they cheat our delegates and steal the cap off Ron's career to address the world at RNC after being nominated into convention, really isn't too persuasive to me. If you did support him, then I'll just say if they cheat our delegates, I will consider this particular winner of the nomination a direct enemy, not just the guy who won when our guy lost.

Note the payments in the FEC records to 'Charlie Cheater' who was passing fake Ron Paul slates at conventions and a ton of other actions. Romney will control credentials committee likely. The facts are really very clear and if no cheating occurs, Ron should easily be nominated from the floor. Romney has plenty of votes for the actual balloting that follows. Right now it looks like he wants our enmity.

For me, whether I devote energy to defeating Romney depends on his own actions and that of those whose input he controls.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I have actually been reading this site for a few years. It wasn't until recently that someone showed me how to create an account so I could keep track of the threads that I have read through.

But to answer your question, yes I supported Paul this year. Each primary, whether it is for President, Governor or whatever office, I always support the most conservative candidate in the race. I'm not a big fan of labels, but if I had to I would say that I line up best with the Traditionalists, or the Old Right. Ron Paul, out of the available candidates, was closest to the way I view things.

Sometimes my guy wins, sometimes my guy loses. I get over it an move on. I don't see any benefit to bashing the winner of the primary contest if he was not my particular choice.

 

[sailingaway]

I have actually been reading this site for a few years. It wasn't until recently that someone showed me how to create an account so I could keep track of the threads that I have read through.

But to answer your question, yes I supported Paul this year. Each primary, whether it is for President, Governor or whatever office, I always support the most conservative candidate in the race. I'm not a big fan of labels, but if I had to I would say that I line up best with the Traditionalists, or the Old Right. Ron Paul, out of the available candidates, was closest to the way I view things.

Sometimes my guy wins, sometimes my guy loses. I get over it an move on. I don't see any benefit to bashing the winner of the primary contest if he was not my particular choice.

Ron isn't some generic guy with about as good coming up next time, and his speeches bring into politics people who don't bother with it as not doing any good. Convention is about when people who DON'T vote in primaries start paying attention, and I really want Ron to have that speech. And as a group we are bigger than one person. People have learned that cheating us may not change the game but can come back to bite them personally. Sue Lowden in NV, for one.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I appreciate your sentiments. I don't share the same adoration for him that you do. Perhaps, it is because I have lived through Goldwater, Reagan and many others. I am a big believer in "there is always next year".

He's a good guy, and I really like that he has been communicating the idea that people need to get involved in the GOP to reform it. I am very pleased to see that many have done that, and many more are doing that. I believe that to be the key to seeing more true conservatives elected to office in years to come.