What is the best tack to take with friends

[sailingaway]

I appreciate your sentiments. I don't share the same adoration for him that you do. Perhaps, it is because I have lived through Goldwater, Reagan and many others. I am a big believer in "there is always next year".

He's a good guy, and I really like that he has been communicating the idea that people need to get involved in the GOP to reform it. I am very pleased to see that many have done that, and many more are doing that. I believe that to be the key to seeing more true conservatives elected to office in years to come.

Look at Reagan's record as opposed to his rhetoric. Goldwater was pretty good, but how long was that ago? And how irreversable are political actions lately?

Even if you look back to Goldwater, that isn't 'next year', but next generation -- and he may be treated just the same as Ron and Goldwater, at best getting a Reagan. We need people in NOW to get someone actually good.

Regardless, since I have invested a lot in someone who made me pay attention to primary politics for the first time, I want that opportunity spread to others at RNC, and Romney's campaign's actions directly cheated and continue to cheat what I was working and donating towards, so I take it personally. However, you are entitled to your own opinion.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Well we surely do need people now. And unfortunately, the guy that most of us here wanted to win the nomination was unable to. So in regards to the topic of what tack we take with friends, at this point since the primary race has been completed I don't really find it beneficial to argue with people regarding Romney. I have a large circle of friends that I socialize with and politics does come up a lot. Some of my friends supported Romney, some Paul, some Santorum, some Newt. It really serves no purpose for me to bash Romney to them.

 

[sailingaway]

Well we surely do need people now. And unfortunately, the guy that most of us here wanted to win the nomination was unable to. So in regards to the topic of what tack we take with friends, at this point since the primary race has been completed I don't really find it beneficial to argue with people regarding Romney. I have a large circle of friends that I socialize with and politics does come up a lot. Some of my friends supported Romney, some Paul, some Santorum, some Newt. It really serves no purpose for me to bash Romney to them.

I do, because it makes them have to take us seriously, next time. I think your attitude is what they are hoping for, which is what led me to ask if you supported Ron Paul prior to May.

Now if they don't cheat Ron (further), I'd not swear off snark, but I wouldn't have particular energy to show they just torpedoed themselves, either.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I do, because it makes them have to take us seriously, next time. I think your attitude is what they are hoping for, which is what led me to ask if you supported Ron Paul prior to May.

I believe I answered that already. I did, our primary was in January.

So are you suggesting then when I get together for a round of golf with my friends I should bash Romney and lament how everyone should have voted for Paul instead? What purpose does that serve, and how do you think that will benefit me, or conservatives in general, in the next election?

 

[sailingaway]

I believe I answered that already. I did, our primary was in January.

So are you suggesting then when I get together for a round of golf with my friends I should bash Romney and lament how everyone should have voted for Paul instead? What purpose does that serve, and how do you think that will benefit me, or conservatives in general, in the next election?

I think you need to do whatever you think is the right thing to do. If they shaft our delegates, I am going to be circulating video of the state conventions and abuse there, and making a point to point out the similarities between Obama and Romney etc, likely. I don't have to whine about Ron if he is out of the race, although I may mention I am writing him in and why if it comes up (my current intent.) I think it hurts conservatives to let Romney and Ryan pretend to be conservatives, smear by association. And if they shaft Ron's delegates in credentials I will have specific incentive to point it out, even beyond that belief.

 

[WesSeid]

Some of my friends supported Romney, some Paul, some Santorum, some Newt. It really serves no purpose for me to bash Romney to them.

Yes it does because Romney sucks.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I think you need to do whatever you think is the right thing to do. If they shaft our delegates, I am going to be circulating video of the state conventions and abuse there, and making a point to point out the similarities between Obama and Romney etc, likely. I don't have to whine about Ron if he is out of the race, although I may mention I am writing him in and why if it comes up (my current intent.) I think it hurts conservatives to let Romney and Ryan pretend to be conservatives, smear by association. And if they shaft Ron's delegates in credentials I will have specific incentive to point it out, even beyond that belief.

Are you hoping that Romney loses to Obama in the General Election then?

 

[sailingaway]

Are you hoping that Romney loses to Obama in the General Election then?

I'll worry about that after Tampa. However, if Romney cheats Ron's delegates in Tampa my focus will be much more on that than on who of such similar policied politicians, supported by the same special interests, gets elected president.

There isn't enough difference, and certainly isn't ANY suggestion of backbone to stand up for an particular policy, between the candidates.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

So if the delegates are cheated, what do you hope to gain from the focus you place on that issue?

Do you bring up this issue, and related issues with your friends at social gatherings and other times where you interact with them (work, parties, picnics, etc)?

 

[sailingaway]

So if the delegates are cheated, what do you hope to gain from the focus you place on that issue?

Do you bring up this issue, and related issues with your friends at social gatherings and other times where you interact with them (work, parties, picnics, etc)?

You seem to have an agenda to change other people's behavior. Why is that?

I've explained what mine would be.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

You seem to have an agenda to change other people's behavior. Why is that?

I've explained what mine would be.

Not trying to change behavior at all. I am just curious as to how people are interacting with their friends in regards to this election. I assumed the point of this topic was to see how others deal with the results of the primaries when interacting with their friends.

You did mention your opinion on the election, but I was curious as to whether you are the first person to bring these issue up at social gatherings or if you wait until the topic is addressed before inserting your opinion. I am also curious as to the reactions people get if they are still dwelling on the primary results. Are people interested in hearing about this, are they confrontational, defensive, or do they just simply try and steer the conversation to other topics?

If you are not comfortable answering those things, I understand.

 

[sailingaway]

Yes, I do mention it interacting with friends and family. I've sent them video of the Louisiana and Oregon state conventions, etc. A little here, a little there. It is a social thing, after all.

People behave differently. Some are disbelieving, then I send video and they are shocked. The ones who don't really care much I don't send video to, I just mention it when the topic is relevant. POLITICS comes up, it is an election year. But many don't like Romney and are not much liking having him as nominee.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I find it comes up often. But all in all about maybe 10% of the total conversation. All of us are retired, and we get together with one another pretty much on a daily basis to some degree whether we are golfing, or playing cards or whatever else we may be doing.

I will say that no one in my circle of friends like Obama. I don't know a single person that is voting for him this year, and some of my friends did vote for him in 2008 to "give him a chance". So either they are ashamed to mention they do still like him, or they genuinely do not like him.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Are you hoping that Romney loses to Obama in the General Election then?

I can't answer for SA, but yes, I am, certainly.

For a number of both political and personal reasons.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I can't answer for SA, but yes, I am, certainly.

For a number of both political and personal reasons.

Do you express this when among friends? If so, what sort of reaction do you get since they (presumably) knew you supported a Republican in the primaries?

 

[sailingaway]

Do you express this when among friends? If so, what sort of reaction do you get since they (presumably) knew you supported a Republican in the primaries?

My friends who know I supported a Republican in the primaries know why I did. It is really hard to make a case of 'party over principle', logically.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

My friends who know I supported a Republican in the primaries know why I did. It is really hard to make a case of 'party over principle', logically.

I don't see it as "party over principle". I would gladly vote for a Dem over a Republican if on the issues the Dem held to a more conservative position than the Republican. I do agree with you though that there is very little difference between Obama and Romney, which is why Romney was the last person out of the group that ran that I wanted to see win.

Taxes are the big issue for me this year (as they are in most years), and I do like that Romney proposes to end the "death tax", and reduce the corporate tax to 25%. Both of those issues effect me directly. It doesn't mean that I am enthusiastically supporting the man, but if he wins and those two proposals are put into law, it would be personally beneficial for me.

 

[sailingaway]

If you like Romney, that is a reason to vote for him. On the other side, he would be in 8 years, likely, rather than 4, and conservatives seem to sleep when there is a Republican in power. If he cheats Ron's delegates, that will have a ton more bearing to me on the sort of president he would be than anything else.

And letting him get away with it would be terrible precedent, imho.

 

[freedomordeath]

I've had lively debates and poeple laugh at me even, but the one thing I notice is out the blue they'll ask me questions like, "what do you think of Paul Ryan". Now they know where I stand, and the press paints Paul Ryan as this freaking BUDGET HAWK, so then they get this confused look on their face when a guy like me froths at the mouth speaking about Paul Ryan lol.

So carry on, it does work. Remember that movie called Inception. Just remember to water the seed and show them links like this where BBC is using 9 year old Iraqi pics of dead bodies for the Syrian propaganda http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/20...raq-mass-grave-photo-syria-propaganda-138921/

 

[sailingaway]

I've had lively debates and poeple laugh at me even, but the one thing I notice is out the blue they'll ask me questions like, "what do you think of Paul Ryan". Now they know where I stand, and the press paints Paul Ryan as this freaking BUDGET HAWK, so then they get this confused look on their face when a guy like me froths at the mouth speaking about Paul Ryan lol.

So carry on, it does work. Remember that movie called Inception. Just remember to water the seed and show them links like this where BBC is using 9 year old Iraqi pics of dead bodies for the Syrian propaganda http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/20...raq-mass-grave-photo-syria-propaganda-138921/

And that is one of the worst aspects of this. The GOP and Dems both are putting up this complete farce that Ryan is an 'Ayn Rand loving budget hawk' trying to paint him with Ron's colors. That is outright libel, imho, and very damaging to us, if people believe it.