What is Ron Planning?

[Ian A.]

Does everyone, I hope, notice how now the trolls are starting threads, highly negative of course,

Okay. Stop. Clear your head. Now, go back to the original post. Good. Notice what the thread was originally about?

Does ANYONE have anything to say on what Ron's new plans might be, or is this just a thread for whiners and those who whine about whiners? I'd like the thread to have some substance.

 

[Quantumystic]

What confuses and frustrates me about this is the incredibly poor timing of the announcement. I mean, the day before 2 states that look like we'll do really well in, especially after Romney dropping out?

It's like draining the gas out of the blimp right as it's about to fly over DC.

And why make such an annoucement at all?

If anything, we should've hyped an "internet rumor" that Paul was making arrangements to launch a Third Party run against Obama. Have an independent website for it, just like with the TeaParty... so that the campaign could say like before "Oh we have no information about that, or control over what these supporters do. You know that. Like when they organized those money bombs".

That would scare the CRAP out of the other candidates. Seeing Paul reframe the general election as one about Real Change... how only he and Obama represent Real Change... and how Hillary won't be a factor after she gets beat by Obama, and how McCain won't be a factor after the true conservatives revolt against the GOP leadership in a demand for a true conservative candidate.

Run a few high profile commercials like that, and McCain and Hillary are now forced to talk about Paul to answer th question about his claim they're irreleveent because they're just "more of the same".

 

[Estanislao]

yeah right, nice plug for Obama.

Obama is CFR.
Hillary and McCain are CFR.
the CFR owns the media.
the CFR is the New World Order.

Paul is in direct conflict with "their" agenda.

 

[kahless]

And why make such an annoucement at all?

If anything, we should've hyped an "internet rumor" that Paul was making arrangements to launch a Third Party run against Obama. Have an independent website for it, just like with the TeaParty... so that the campaign could say like before "Oh we have no information about that, or control over what these supporters do. You know that. Like when they organized those money bombs".

That would scare the CRAP out of the other candidates.

Exactly. Even if he was not really going to do that he would have scared the crap out of the GOP so they would be more receptive to his views. What leverage does he have now since he is saying he is committed to the party?

Just prepare yourselves for his fiery convention speech followed by a dissappointing statement that we must support McCain for the good of the party. Remember he is all about what is best for the party and I do not like that anymore than you.

I am still hoping he will reconsider a 3rd party run or someone else with Paul's values will launch an independent or 3rd party run.

 

[LastoftheMohicans]

Tactics. He will still run 3rd party.

I think it is just a tactic that he said he ruled out a 3rd party run. With his Congressional primary coming up, he can't give his opponents any ammunition against him. When(not if) he wins the primary, he will be free to do whatever he wants. I don't think he will have a Democrat opponent in November.

If it's McCain/Hillary, he will run. In Texas, he will be able to run for both seats.

If people accuse him of lying he can say one of two things: Circumstances have changed or I don't owe the media any explanations. You totally blacked me out and now you expect me to be straight with you.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Okay. Stop. Clear your head. Now, go back to the original post. Good. Notice what the thread was originally about?

Does ANYONE have anything to say on what Ron's new plans might be, or is this just a thread for whiners and those who whine about whiners? I'd like the thread to have some substance.

Paul's new plans may include:

-Taking this break to work on his house seat, precisely in order to 'separate the wheat from the chaff' in the movement. He's said he's in it through the Convention multiple times---if short-viewed, make-me-happy-now, fair weather 'supporters can't handle the time this will take, let them step back, and the true revolutionaires step up.

-Preparing for an INDEPENDENT run (not using a 3rd party label), and planning to mount independent petitioning efforts across the 50 states. This may account for the interesting hiring he has been doing (including bringing on foreign policy advisors) that suggest he is going to be active in a fall campaign.

-Crafting a strategy to emphasize McCain's weaknesses.

 

[fedup100]

keep in mind guys, his congressional seat is under HEAVY BRUTAL attack right now. to be fair, he has to pay some attention to it.

To be fair he could have taken the offer of the new campaign staff and the financial help of the money man that offered a month ago in Houston, planned to run kick ass ads nationwide. Then he would have had plenty of time to work his campaign in Texas. As this sinks in I am very disappointed in the "oh by the way" little email that basically said it is over. I think we deserved more.

The diplomacy and timing of the concession email was unbelievable. How many people in states that are having a caucus today just walked away and didn't bother.

I am apt to believe he has been threatened this thing stinks of the Ross Perot debacle. I mean he hires two big wigs to write his speeches and a coach and then the next day he quits???!!!!!!!!!

From the fraud, censorship and all sorts of underhanded unamerican shit that has been tossed at us, I believe the country will not be saved without bloodshed. I pray not but fear it is inevitable and soon or there will be no America left to save.

 

[liam]

He cannot use the money he has in his congressional election. Thats why they were asking for donations of 400,000 for his congressional race. He has not given up! He has to adapt to circumstances and right now he is comming under attack. So help him! He has been working on this for almost thirty years and has been a lone voice, he didn't quit so please - don't insult yourself by making such an outrageous statement

 

[noztnac]

Honestly, I'm a little pissed off with the latest announcement. He's got millions upon millions that has still gone unspent, and now he is basically pulling out and concentrating more on Congress. I didn't donate money so he could retain his Congressional seat, I gave him money so he could promote his campaign for presidency. The Paul campaign can now do whatever they wish with all this cash, meaning they could put it all into the Texas Congressional race if they want. There are no campaign finance which say you must spend this money on just the presidential campaign.

And it's not like this decision was spur of the moment. Apparently, they hadn't been planning events around the country for awhile, and supposedly the only event scheduled after Super Tues. was a rally in Texas for re-election to Congress.

No third party run is BS in my opinion. The guy's got tons of support, and could draw an even larger crowd than he does now, especially if two war hawks like McCain and Hillary get the nominations. I just don't get it.

Ron Paul having a congressional seat in congress resulted in no changes to our foreign policy, infringement of civil liberties, or monetary policy. He was ignored and often voted alone. Going back to that congressional seat is not why I sent him money or spent time supporting him. He needs to run 3rd party in order to set the GOP straight. Either he'll win as a third party candidate or he'll prevent the GOP from winning with liberal John McCain. Either way he can demonstrate to the GOP once and for all that it can either move back to its conservative base or become irrelevant. Ron Paul is in the perfect position to win a third party run. McCain is hated by Republicans. Hillary is hated by everyone. Now is the time.

 

[Quantumystic]

Estanislao wrote:

yeah right, nice plug for Obama.

Obama is CFR.
Hillary and McCain are CFR.
the CFR owns the media.
the CFR is the New World Order.

Paul is in direct conflict with "their" agenda.
_________________

"Plug" for Obama? No. YOU just don't "get" the strategy.

Of course, Clinton, McCain, and Obama are CFR. Nothing gets by you. Except that the idea is to turn them against each other as much as possible.

They have a "script" of how events are supposedly being orchestrated to unfold. The idea is to manipulate them into deviating from that script because they think the game has been changed.

Hillary and McCain are the Old Guard. Obama the New Blood. Reframing the public perception by claiming the Old is irrelevent and has been "dismissed"... will piss them off to no end. ANd by giving Obama a slight bump in the Dem contest, he'll be more likely to play along. Even if he doesn't really comprehend the strategy behind Paul's rhetoric.

As you point out, they're ALL CFR. So which one to run against head to head is irrelevent in that respect. The idea is to create the contest PAUL wants to run. Not who they want to run. Either McCain or Hillary will be a remainder of the entrenched power structure in the minds of the American People. Obama, otoh, represents a Changing of the Guard in the Public perception. The Dems embracing Obama over Hillary is half the psychological battle for the hearts and minds of Americans... because it cements their commitment to Change.

Then, it becomes a matter of WHAT KIND of Change.

 

[snpage]

Ron Paul having a congressional seat in congress resulted in no changes to our foreign policy, infringement of civil liberties, or monetary policy. He was ignored and often voted alone. Going back to that congressional seat is not why I sent him money or spent time supporting him. He needs to run 3rd party in order to set the GOP straight. Either he'll win as a third party candidate or he'll prevent the GOP from winning with liberal John McCain. Either way he can demonstrate to the GOP once and for all that it can either move back to its conservative base or become irrelevant. Ron Paul is in the perfect position to win a third party run. McCain is hated by Republicans. Hillary is hated by everyone. Now is the time.

Exactly. Ron Pauls congressional seat is commendable, however for him NOT to run third party is waste of my time and his. Like you said, he was the lone voice on a lot of issues. Infact, most of them. Congressional election is March 4th? Good. Luckily it is soon. He can get that part of the way to make way for a thrid party run. THe Bourse situation could come to a head on Monday. His book coming out in April. Sure we can support like minded candidates, but I want my candidate to be at the top. I am not voting for anyone but RP in this election, but I need him to be viable. He would really look crazy if McCains nomination stands and RP is still trying to run as a republican.

 

[Michael Landon]

I'm pretty sure Ron can't use the money for his presidential campaign for his congressional one.

You are correct.

 

[stevedasbach]

I don't even want to bring this up, but I just read this on wonkette.com's coverage of RP's announcement:

"Ron Paul is a genius. He amassed a war chest of 30 million dollars, spent almost none of it, and now goes back to Congress. He can use that campaign money to guarantee his reelection to the House for the rest of his life, or probably even get himself a Senate seat. Genius, I tell you. 99% of those people would not have donated a single Amero to help he retain his seat in Congress or for a Senate run and he knew it. Now he's flush and sitting pretty."

This couldn't be true- could it?

This is complete BS -- typical of Wonkette. First, of the 28 million raised in 2007, all but 8 million was spent. See the FEC reports.

That leaves 8 million, plus roughly 5 million raised in 2008, minus whatever has been spent. Given what was spent in the fourth quarter of 2008, I expect that there is only a few million left. By scaling down the national staff, Paul can continue his presidential run and secure additional delegates for the convention with the remaining money plus whatever small amounts continue to be donated.

It is my understanding that as long as he remains a candidate for president, he cannot transfer funds to his congressional race. And frankly, there is no need. Some of the same people who donated over $33 million to his campaign for president will donate the $400,000 or so he needs to defend his seat in Congress.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

Ron Paul having a congressional seat in congress resulted in no changes to our foreign policy, infringement of civil liberties, or monetary policy. He was ignored and often voted alone. Going back to that congressional seat is not why I sent him money or spent time supporting him. He needs to run 3rd party in order to set the GOP straight. Either he'll win as a third party candidate or he'll prevent the GOP from winning with liberal John McCain. Either way he can demonstrate to the GOP once and for all that it can either move back to its conservative base or become irrelevant. Ron Paul is in the perfect position to win a third party run. McCain is hated by Republicans. Hillary is hated by everyone. Now is the time.

He hasn't been able to change anything because there weren't enough like minded people in congress. THAT'S what we need to change.


Running as a third party won't change shit. Not even Ross Perot was able to change anything and he had a movement 10 times the size of ours.

All running third party will do is turn us into a joke. We need to keep this movement in the main parties or we risk turning into a Ralph Nader. A joke of the political media.

 

[libertygrl]

People need to stop freaking out and just have a little FAITH. Ron Paul will not give up unless we give up on him first. We've got to help him on both fronts now - Congressional & Presidential. Leave all the crazy assumptions and spin to the MSM.

We need to chill out, calm down and take this one day at a time. We're down from 11 freakin' candidates now to 3 for goodness sakes! This is NOT the time to freak out or to give up. It's time for support and creative ideas again. That's what made this grassroots campaign an enormous success. Ron knows what he's doing. Trust him.

This is a real test for us. Stop listening to negative people and the MSM. When the going gets tough, the tough need to get going. I'm tired of all the wimpering! Stay STRONG!

If we can't bring Ron's numbers up fast enough, maybe we need to form a strategy to bring McCain's down!

SURRENDER IS NOT AN OPTION!! LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!

 

[Strike-Fighter]

People need to stop freaking out and just have a little FAITH. Ron Paul will not give up unless we give up on him first. We've got to help him on both fronts now - Congressional & Presidential. Leave all the crazy assumptions and spin to the MSM.

We need to chill out, calm down and take this one day at a time. We're down from 11 freakin' candidates now to 3 for goodness sakes! This is NOT the time to freak out or to give up. It's time for support and creative ideas again. That's what made this grassroots campaign an enormous success. Ron knows what he's doing. Trust him.

This is a real test for us. Stop listening to negative people and the MSM. When the going gets tough, the tough need to get going. I'm tired of all the wimpering! Stay STRONG!

If we can't bring Ron's numbers up fast enough, maybe we need to form a strategy to bring McCain's down!

SURRENDER IS NOT AN OPTION!! LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!

+1337

 

[Tarzan]

Okay. Stop. Clear your head. Now, go back to the original post. Good. Notice what the thread was originally about?

Does ANYONE have anything to say on what Ron's new plans might be, or is this just a thread for whiners and those who whine about whiners? I'd like the thread to have some substance.

Then be careful of what you post! Asking for pure speculation (as you did in your original post) will bring out the WORST in everyone. If you want to have a reasonable discussion you need to word your questions more carefully... especially when you ask a question to which NO ONE on this forum will know the actual answer. When you ask for speculation that is exactly what you get... with LOTS of bad information.

So... if you want to speculate get a group of friends together and go have a beer... doing it here is a bad idea... which is probably obvious by now.

 

[kahless]

People need to stop freaking out and just have a little FAITH. Ron Paul will not give up unless we give up on him first. We've got to help him on both fronts now - Congressional & Presidential. Leave all the crazy assumptions and spin to the MSM.

We need to chill out, calm down and take this one day at a time. We're down from 11 freakin' candidates now to 3 for goodness sakes! This is NOT the time to freak out or to give up. It's time for support and creative ideas again. That's what made this grassroots campaign an enormous success. Ron knows what he's doing. Trust him.

This is a real test for us. Stop listening to negative people and the MSM. When the going gets tough, the tough need to get going. I'm tired of all the wimpering! Stay STRONG!

If we can't bring Ron's numbers up fast enough, maybe we need to form a strategy to bring McCain's down!

SURRENDER IS NOT AN OPTION!! LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!

To quote Ron:

"the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero"

" I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run"

"But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican"

Seems doubtful that he will try to take down McCain at the convention and will likely endorse him. But who knows.

 

[Dutch]

As a related aside; I don't know who owns/maintains http://defendthedistrict.com/ but I don't think it's real smart to put a live link to Chris Peden's official site on there.

Dutch

 

[tyree731]

People need to stop freaking out and just have a little FAITH. Ron Paul will not give up unless we give up on him first. We've got to help him on both fronts now - Congressional & Presidential. Leave all the crazy assumptions and spin to the MSM.

We need to chill out, calm down and take this one day at a time. We're down from 11 freakin' candidates now to 3 for goodness sakes! This is NOT the time to freak out or to give up. It's time for support and creative ideas again. That's what made this grassroots campaign an enormous success. Ron knows what he's doing. Trust him.

This is a real test for us. Stop listening to negative people and the MSM. When the going gets tough, the tough need to get going. I'm tired of all the wimpering! Stay STRONG!

If we can't bring Ron's numbers up fast enough, maybe we need to form a strategy to bring McCain's down!

SURRENDER IS NOT AN OPTION!! LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!

Get out of the way sounds good.