What is Ron Paul going to do about student loans?

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[Man from La Mancha]

Why does everybody bow to these stupid colleges way to riches. What a farce. If one took a fraction of the money for college and started a business, one would learn so much more. Even after 2-3 failures. Wayne Green says to quite high school and find a business one likes and work for free or little money as long as that business trains one and one signs a statement that one won't open a competing business so many miles away. Small businesses have a record of making more millionaires than anything else. Wayne has started many successful businesses. He vastly helped starting the cell phone, personal computer, and CD industries with his publishing magazines.

http://www.waynegreen.com/Awesome guy
http://www.waynegreen.com/wayne/says.html#makemoney

Wayne Quotes
Most people who want to get rich are doing it to compensate for an inferiority complex. But whether you want to be rich or not, there are virtually no benefits to being poor. And, once you know the secret it's not only easy, but it's fun making a lot of money.

The fact is that though you've been brainwashed by your family, your teachers, and the media, a college "education" is a ghastly waste of time and money. That's for suckers. The beauty of brainwashing is that the washee (you) doesn't know it happened. It's like post-hypnotic suggestion. 95% of high school is a waste of time, which is why I'm so enthusiastic about the Sudbury Valley School and the few others like it.

If you have worked for others for more than five years in your life you're a sucker. If you are commuting more than 10 minutes to work you're a sucker. If you aren't making enough money to travel around the world once or twice a year you're a sucker. If you are saving to put your kids through college your whole family are suckers.

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I'm sure you'll get mad at me rather than finding out that I'm telling the truth. Hey, I was a sucker too. I did the college grind because there was no one out there to wise me up. As far as I know, and I've read an awful lot of books and listened to more talks than any human should, no one else I've ever found has wised up and is spilling the beans.

My booklet spills the beans. I should charge $5,000 for it and it would be a bargain, but I just want to cover my costs and have some left over to promote my books. At 80+ I only have maybe 25-30 or so years left to get the word out, with the hope of opening enough eyes to change our whole country.

But step one is to get you healthy and able to live a lot longer. Step two is to help you make enough money to be able to help me change our country. Step three will be to change our school system, our medical system, our legal and prison system, and the other things our corrupt Congress, Administrations and court system have screwed up.



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[Corydoras]

I'm also not talking about professors doing research although it's sometimes bogus even then. It's impossible to fire tenured teachers, and they can do as they please. Now what exactly does an online professor have to do? Basically nothing. If you've used blackboard before, you would know this.

I have "used blackboard" at a university, as well as having worked in other capacities for professors in two fields other than my own, as well as having studied in fields other than my own, and no, you're not correct.

Research takes up most of a professor's time whether s/he teaches online or not. Untenured professors do a lot of it because they're working toward tenure, and tenured professors do a lot of it particularly because if they have the will to earn tenure, they have the will to expand their professional reputation by continuing to publish more and better. They really are doing this because they love their subject and want to add to it, otherwise they would do something else that earned more money.

Some professors teach online because they are doing research somewhere off campus, and it is a great benefit to students that they can teach from across the country or across the world even while doing research.

Remember, too, that professors have to teach and advise graduate students, and that takes up a huge amount of time-- second only to their own research.

What is visible to an undergraduate is really a minor part of a professor's work.

 

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[Corydoras]

This isn't what I was arguing. I'm arguing the salary of cc professors and some public state uni's. None do research at a cc and not all do research at a state uni.

You actually didn't say that before...

I don't think you're talking about professors. I think you're talking about instructors, and even then they do research, simply because they have to keep up with the field as it moves. And professors at state universities are REQUIRED to do research and teaching of graduate students-- that's why such schools are called universities.

You also do realize that a lot of tuition money goes for building facilities for the expensive specialties, in particular the sciences, right? The money scientists get in grants does not cover every bit of running a science facility.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

You can live in your "Maximum Utility Utopia" by declaring your property a new nation. lol

My beliefs in anarchism does not transcend my liking of libertarianism within the political framework of the USA.

 

[angelatc]

Not everyone can just start a business. Someone has to do the other jobs and to do them, you have to go to college. High school is a BIG waste of time. Way more than college. At least in college, you can take 18 units and not be at school the whole friggin day for 5 days a week. They should take 1 grade away in high school and move all the others down 1 year. That would fix the problem. They also should hold NO ONE back. The AP test should also be available for college students. Now I have to do a semester more just to catch up because of this.

I am guessing that you did not go to college.

Edited to add: Oops - looks like you're in college. Trust me - when you get a job you'll see a marked difference between people who went to college and those who didn't. Of course there are exceptions to every rule, but most people aren't Einsteins.

 

[Spirit of '76]

I am guessing that you did not go to college.

Edited to add: Oops - looks like you're in college. Trust me - when you get a job you'll see a marked difference between people who went to college and those who didn't. Of course there are exceptions to every rule, but most people aren't Einsteins.

Yes, he's got a lot to learn. He's a 19 year-old community college freshman with overly strong opinions on things regarding which he has almost no actual experience.

I myself have given up on trying to reason with him here. I have faith enough that my own years of experience working in both private colleges and state-funded universities edify my position on the necessity of dissolving the Dept. of Education.

I find it pointless to bicker over it with some kid who refuses to listen to people with more knowledge and direct experience, and who would rather shill for the fedgov ad nauseam than learn something.

There are few things more annoying than a greenhorn who already thinks he knows it all.

 

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[Corydoras]

I rather take the route that I'm taking now. I just hope Ron Paul doesn't shatter it though.

You're not the only one who believes in something that Dr. Paul doesn't agree with. I do, too. It goes with participatory politics; rarely do you find a politician who does everything the way you would. If you want things done exactly the way you would, you have to run for office yourself and win!

 

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[Corydoras]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/archive/index.php/t-225443.html

Someone just said that not all do research in this forum. I'm not totally sure. I could be wrong. Instructors also can be called professors.

Instructors can be called professors the way sailors can be called Marines. It's just not true.

I went to that link. They meant schoolteacher versus professor.

Funny how you brought up graduate students. Professors make them grade everything.

Because the professors are off doing research!

Who has to keep up more with the times? Software engineers or cc professors? I think the answer is obvious.

Professors. They do the basic research that software engineers base their work on years later.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

If I get a decent job, everyone around me will have a degree. Yeah, I can see a remarkable difference between those people i.e. bums on the trolley spewing out crap. lol Not to mention, most will end up taking jobs at Walmart and other grocery stores because they don't qualify for anything else. They could have gone into the military but a lot don't want to and most positions are full. Now, you can do better off than a lot of people who went to Harvard if you're a sales person, contractor, or start some business. Sadly, sales jobs are starting to require some college. There's also the military but I rather take the route that I'm taking now. I just hope Ron Paul doesn't shatter it though. lol

Ron Paul would actually help in leveling the playing field. We should get rid of public education, which would end the HS Diploma. All colleges require a HS diploma, right? SATs? Well, when you eliminate public education, this will eliminate the government barriers from education. Also, people will be able to attend all sorts of different schools. It would be freer. America currently embraces big government and corporatism, therefore, corporations work with government (as they do now in this quasi fascist country) to filter out the unwanted population (majority) so that they can force them to join the low level work force to slave for the corporations.

 

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[JosephTheLibertarian]

Ron Paul wouldn't do anything really except getting rid of NCLB and the aid. You can go to a cc with a GED but the age for taking it varies among the states. Some 16, 17, and 18. You can go to a cc if you're 18 or in high school. I didn't have that opportunity though. If a grade is knocked off and everything moved down 1, no one would complain. Everyone would be around 15 and 16. There's no reason to hold anyone back as a high school diploma means nothing anyways and it takes up the whole day. Employers can look at your transcript if they're worried and an interview should be enough.

Why do we need the system at all? A HS Diploma is necessary, you can't go to college without one. While some may make the argument that if you don't have a HS Diploma you aren't ready for college, I see it as a government imposed barrier to the free market alternative. And what's with government run and government funded universities? We should end that as well.

 

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[JosephTheLibertarian]

You can go to a community college if you're 18 or have a GED. You can transfer to a uni after that. High school is so trivial after you've graduated. No college looks at it.

Why do we need a system? Obviously you'll need one for the elementary level. If you don't want to go to school, then you can get home-schooled. Remember, everyone would be only 15-16 so it wouldn't matter at all.

You have the mentality that wants to control everything. I can see that. "Obviously you'll need one for the elementary level." You don't have enough faith in free markets. And how about the costs? People are being filtered by government and then when they FINALLY get through one obstacle they realize that they can't even afford college. Government is involved and there's a lack of competition, so you know the costs are going to be sky high. Not everyone is made of money, sir.