What is Doug Wead talking about?!

[LibertyEagle]

What?

Well we are nearly confirmed for Benedict Arnold now.

Don't be ridiculous. Wead has been great.

 

[JellyRev]

I think paul knows something we don't. He never rarely romney but he would attack the others? Just imagine the easily crushing ads there could of been. gun control, uni healthcares, etc.
it would have seemed he would have wanted to keep them in to broker the convention not destroy them. Instead he chose to take newt and frothy out why? perhaps its so their supporters would not compete for delegate spots. Since they will not compete. delegates were the goal, but for what end?
Nomination I would hope. Does he have dirt on Romney??? proof of vote fraud? tax evasion? etc??? who knows, but it would make sense since that has always seemed to be the goal.

 

[RDM]

Source? You sure you aren't thinking about person who made the advertisements? I'd think if Doug's wife (Myriam) worked for them it would show up on the internet somewhere.

Yes, I mistakenly got confused with the person in the advertising dept. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ally-in-a-Romney-PAC&highlight=doug+wead+wife
I'm deleting my post now.

 

[anaconda]

What is all the secrecy about? If the end run strategy requires an element of stealth, and benefits from a modicum of low expectations, now is not the time for an inspirational speech. That comes when expectations have been exceeded and Ron Paul stands with far more delegates at the convention than the MSM ever dreamed possible. Ron is asking us right now, (if we read between the lines just a bit) for some faith, that is all. Why is that so difficult to deliver, when we have canvased door to door, called thousands, donated until it hurt, infiltrated the local parties at every level, and generally become the knowledgeable political animals we so despised?

We could certainly focus some attention on rallying ourselves in the absence of official campaign hand holding, it is certainly a dispiriting time, but we don't need Ron Paul to be our nanny; we need him to be the willy political fox we all pray that he is. It is just a few more months now, what if this must be the end game now, will you still insist on a confirmation? A little cool shade, a little smoke, a little cover is welcome at this phase, in any case, the battle is sure to heat up soon enough. Remember: Ron Paul's job and our jobs are entirely different and have always been so.

And for those who are still having trouble reading between the lines:
What do you want Ron to tell us? That bound stealth delegates should vote their conscience on the first round at the convention? What about the actual intel they have gathered detailing all the delegate support they think they can count on, do you want that? Perhaps if there is some sort of deal being cooked up with Gingrich or Santorum delegates to hold off on the first vote, you want him to let us all in on this juicy bit of information? Would anything short of this convince you that all is not lost? What if he said: "I am focusing on a delegate strategy. There are things I can't tell you right now. Be dedicated, I will stand by your side every step of the way." Would that be enough for you?

From hear until August I am now considering all negative Nancy commentators to be either trolls, spies or provocateurs. This is just getting exciting.

Awesome post. I'm in complete agreement with you.

 

[Tamasaburo]

I know this may be heresy, guys, but I would personally be thrilled to see a deal struck for Rand Paul as VP or Ron as Treasury Secretary or maybe both (I would not be satisfied with just a convention speech, though). Yes, I really, really want Ron himself to be president, but barring some massive financial collapse that throws Texas and California voters into his arms in the very near future, it's just not likely. Yes, it would be awesome if we took over the convention through some arcane procedure, but I think that's part of what may have prompted all this email nonsense. Ron is not a confrontational kind of guy. Really, he doesn't have the personality for politics at all, which is why we love him. But that also means he doesn't want a big mess at Tampa all blamed on him and his movement. He doesn't want the budding movement re-consigned to the lunatic fringe. He doesn't want to look like he "stole" the nomination.

Rand VP would be amazing for the liberty movement because of all the proselytizing he'd get to do from that position. If Romney wins, he's in a perfect spot for 2020, if Romney loses, he's a shoe-in for 2016.

I really, really want Ron to be prez in 2012 and am definitely afraid for our country if he does not (though I'm also afraid of having him at the helm right before the ship goes down), but thinking long term, we should view it as a victory if Ron gets some serious concessions out of Romney beyond just a speaking slot.

 

[BUSHLIED]

The campaigns are not going to have enough delegates to prevent Romney from the nomination on the first round of voting. That's where the confusion begins. The campaigns assertions that they will be making an impact is just that...a hope that they can move the party towards more liberty oriented positions. You can't do that, if you 'hi-jack' the convention and piss everyone off. I think the campaign decided to hedge and play nice to get some sort of role at the convention and Romney will probably go along cause he needs a smooth convention and Ron's voters to win...the stealth delegates is just smokes and mirrors to keep us working and working for change in the future but nothing really tangible will come from the delegates at the convention. We'll be lucky to have say 200-300.

The reason why the email was so destructive was because it took hope and determination away from the grassroots when they were working so hard to get delegates...it took the wind out of people's sails. Worst mistake ever. Benton should be barred from writing any further emails or making press releases...he will never be fired, he married Paul's granddaughter...

 

[Draco33]

Yeah, at this point, Rand will have a lot of work to do if he wants to gain my trust, and he doesn't have enough time to do it by 2016. At a minimum, he'd need to cut any ties to Benton.

Cutting all ties might be difficult see as how they are part of the same family. Remember, Benton is Ron's "grand-son-in-law".

 

[FlipObamney]

I'd consider Dr. Paul as the VP spot as a huge win. It wouldn't be the hugest; but it would put Paul in a position where he has access to most everything and a pulpit from which he can speak freely.

You really need to think about what you're writing.

Dr. Paul spent his entire career voting exactly how he felt and not based on politics. Ron Paul accepting a VP slot to Romney, who is basically the epitome of what Dr. Paul is against, would violate everything he's tried to do for the last 30 years.

I agree MyKillK. If Ron accepts a VP nod from Romney, I think I will throw up after having the revelation that I wasted 5 years of my life supporting him.

 

[dancjm]

I know this may be heresy, guys, but I would personally be thrilled to see a deal struck for Rand Paul as VP or Ron as Treasury Secretary or maybe both (I would not be satisfied with just a convention speech, though). Yes, I really, really want Ron himself to be president, but barring some massive financial collapse that throws Texas and California voters into his arms in the very near future, it's just not likely. Yes, it would be awesome if we took over the convention through some arcane procedure, but I think that's part of what may have prompted all this email nonsense. Ron is not a confrontational kind of guy. Really, he doesn't have the personality for politics at all, which is why we love him. But that also means he doesn't want a big mess at Tampa all blamed on him and his movement. He doesn't want the budding movement re-consigned to the lunatic fringe. He doesn't want to look like he "stole" the nomination.

Rand VP would be amazing for the liberty movement because of all the proselytizing he'd get to do from that position. If Romney wins, he's in a perfect spot for 2020, if Romney loses, he's a shoe-in for 2016.

I really, really want Ron to be prez in 2012 and am definitely afraid for our country if he does not (though I'm also afraid of having him at the helm right before the ship goes down), but thinking long term, we should view it as a victory if Ron gets some serious concessions out of Romney beyond just a speaking slot.

The Republic and its process are not "arcane".

Ron calls out the central bank for destroying the American people's money. Ron does do confrontation - he just does it the right way, softly spoken and truth in hand.

It's only going to look stolen to those he takes it from. To the honest observer he will have won fair and square.

Most of what you are talking about is Ron wanting to preserve some kind of image, and not wanting to rock the boat. Ron is concerned with the big picture, and the big picture does not have time for worrying about how the Republican Party feels. If Ron was concerned about the feelings of the Republican Party over the needs of his country, he would never have run in the first place.

 

[angelatc]

I agree MyKillK. If Ron accepts a VP nod from Romney, I think I will throw up after having the revelation that I wasted 5 years of my life supporting him.

No matter what happens it wasn't wasted. You know you're not alone, and thats something you didnt have before 2007.

 

[specsaregood]

You really need to think about what you're writing.

Dr. Paul spent his entire career voting exactly how he felt and not based on politics. Ron Paul accepting a VP slot to Romney, who is basically the epitome of what Dr. Paul is against, would violate everything he's tried to do for the last 30 years.

Perhaps you need to think about it a bit more. I'll say it again, a VP slot for Dr. Paul would be a HUGE WIN! It might not be our goal, but its a huge win nonetheless. And it wouldn't violate a single thing Dr. Paul has been doing for the past 30 years, it would be a new position and new job, one heartbeat from the presidency.

 

[dancjm]

The campaigns are not going to have enough delegates to prevent Romney from the nomination on the first round of voting. That's where the confusion begins. The campaigns assertions that they will be making an impact is just that...a hope that they can move the party towards more liberty oriented positions. You can't do that, if you 'hi-jack' the convention and piss everyone off. I think the campaign decided to hedge and play nice to get some sort of role at the convention and Romney will probably go along cause he needs a smooth convention and Ron's voters to win...the stealth delegates is just smokes and mirrors to keep us working and working for change in the future but nothing really tangible will come from the delegates at the convention. We'll be lucky to have say 200-300.

The reason why the email was so destructive was because it took hope and determination away from the grassroots when they were working so hard to get delegates...it took the wind out of people's sails. Worst mistake ever. Benton should be barred from writing any further emails or making press releases...he will never be fired, he married Paul's granddaughter...

You are making some massive assertions there. Amazing considering that the process is far from over.

 

[sailingaway]

Perhaps you need to think about it a bit more. I'll say it again, a VP slot for Dr. Paul would be a HUGE WIN! It might not be our goal, but its a huge win nonetheless. And it wouldn't violate a single thing Dr. Paul has been doing for the past 30 years, it would be a new position and new job, one heartbeat from the presidency.

if we could nominate him from the floor for it it would be best, on his own strength. If Ron ACCEPTED, I'd figure he'd found a way to do it without violating his principles, certainly until I actually saw him violate one.

But we are getting ahead of ourselves, right now we have to collect delegates.

 

[dancjm]

Perhaps you need to think about it a bit more. I'll say it again, a VP slot for Dr. Paul would be a HUGE WIN! It might not be our goal, but its a huge win nonetheless. And it wouldn't violate a single thing Dr. Paul has been doing for the past 30 years, it would be a new position and new job, one heartbeat from the presidency.

Serving under President Romney is no win my friend.

 

[MyKillK]

Perhaps you need to think about it a bit more. I'll say it again, a VP slot for Dr. Paul would be a HUGE WIN! It might not be our goal, but its a huge win nonetheless. And it wouldn't violate a single thing Dr. Paul has been doing for the past 30 years, it would be a new position and new job, one heartbeat from the presidency.

Are you kidding me. Becoming VP would be a tacit endorsement of everything Romney would do as President, a good 80% of which would be contrary to what Dr. Paul believes in.

 

[specsaregood]

Serving under President Romney is no win my friend.

last i checked there was nothing in the constitution saying the VP cant disagree and criticize the P. while i would prefer the doc in the drivers seat, having him ride shotgun would still be a huge leap forward.

 

[sailingaway]

Are you kidding me. Becoming VP would be a tacit endorsement of everything Romney would do as President, a good 80% of which would be contrary to what Dr. Paul believes in.

If Ron did it it would be more like VPs 100 years ago, when they were separately elected, not 'selected' and OFTEN disagreed with the president, and were sometimes from different parties.

But that is why it isn't the most likely scenario in the world.

But then again, it actually would make me vote for the ticket, in my mind voting for Ron, given that Obama isn't better. And I can't think of anything else that would get me to do that.

 

[Carlybee]

It would not be a leap forward. If anything besides president, Fed Chairman would be better than VP but either way they would try to tie his hands.

NOBP .....and no way for a veep ticket. What koolaid are y'all drinking?

 

[Maltheus]

Are you kidding me. Becoming VP would be a tacit endorsement of everything Romney would do as President, a good 80% of which would be contrary to what Dr. Paul believes in.

Yes, not to mention that you need only observe the effect the rumor is having on his followers here to understand how disastrous it would be for the liberty movement in general. And I don't want to go through with decades of people blaming libertarianism for Romney's failures, because you know they will (no matter how unfair it is).

 

[specsaregood]

It would not be a leap forward. If anything besides president, Fed Chairman would be better than VP but either way they would try to tie his hands.

And if Dr. Paul had the VP slot it would mean he agreed with me. If he had the VP slot, I'd take his lead and support him, I trust he would have a better handle on what it would mean than any of us.