What is Doug Wead talking about?!

[Carlybee]

And if Dr. Paul had the VP slot it would mean he agreed with me. If he had the VP slot, I'd take his lead and support him, I trust he would have a better handle on what it would mean than any of us.

Bullshit. He would have to stand up at the convention arm in arm with Romney. Your choice however if...and its a big if...that were to happen. I dont think it will. I wouldnt doubt it be offered to Santorum before RP. And if it were offered to RP and he accepted then I would assume the GOP was holding his family for ransom. No way..no how. That is NOT the path to liberty.

 

[specsaregood]

Bullshit. He would have to stand up at the convention arm in arm with Romney. Your choice however if...and its a big if...that were to happen. I dont think it will. I wouldnt doubt it be offered to Santorum before RP. And if it were offered to RP and he accepted then I would assume the GOP was holding his family for ransom. No way..no how. That is NOT the path to liberty.

If it happened (and I agree big if) it would have more to do with Romney actually wanting to beat Obama. If the doc accepted the VP slot, I'd happily vote for it. Of course if Paul is the nominee I'd actually campaign and donate towards the ticket.

 

[trey4sports]

1. Ron Paul's campaign has NEVER put out an attack ad against Romney, even with no others left,
2. Both Paul, and Romney have said in the past they talk to each other, and are more 'friendly' then other candidates
3. Ron Paul's Campaign email announcing they were focusing on delegates now not campaigning
4. Ron Paul's Campaign email from Jesse Benton announcing 'We Can't Win'


The writing is on the wall anyone unable to admit it is not being realistic with themselves. A deal HAS been struck. What the deal is? We hopefully find out sooner then later.

some sanity.

 

[Carlybee]

If it happened (and I agree big if) it would have more to do with Romney actually wanting to beat Obama. If the doc accepted the VP slot, I'd happily vote for it. Of course if Paul is the nominee I'd actually campaign and donate towards the ticket.

And I would say your specs arent really that good if you can't see that as a one way ticket to nowhere.

 

[Ivash]

Look- I'm not a supporter of Paul, but the odds of him cutting a deal for a VP position for either himself or his son are minute. I know a lot of high-level people in Romney's campaign, and not a single one had mentioned anything about them as possible VPs despite me directly asking- and that isn't just because I myself am not associated with Romney's campaign, as they have mentioned that both Portman and Rubio are actively being investigated (as in they have been informally asked to give information to the campaign). In their minds neither Ron nor his son brings much to the table- they don't guarantee a state, they don't buck up Romney's support among most conservatives, it is questionable whether Paul's most ardent supporters would support him for VP anyways, and Paul's outspoken ideology clashes with Romney's, which could easily end up looking pretty bad.

Paul seems like a good enough guy to not be trading in his position for some meaningless speech or the ability to 'influence the party's agenda'. If a deal exists it is probably to put Paul in a cabinet spot.

Or it is possible that the good Doctor's age is catching up to him and he just feels exhausted and worn out and wants to slow down the campaign. I've been on enough campaigns to know that they are grueling at the best of times, so it must be doubly hard on a man of Paul's age (even though Paul himself seems to be of fine health).

We have all the cards. The RNC cannot win without us. We can pull the trigger and tear the Convention in half. They have almost nothing we want other than the nomination. We can provide a landslide vs Obama.

But its a lot of very difficult steps to any sort of compromise.

There is likely not a single person in the RNC that believes that Ron Paul would get anywhere near winning the general. Furthermore they are more focused upon other blocks voters than those who support Ron Paul- Hispanics, women, etc.

In other words that isn't part of any deal either. As I mentioned ff there is a deal it is almost certainly a cabinet position. CPs do hold a deal of power so there is no shame if that is indeed the compromise, though.

Edit: And there is no way that Santorum is getting the VP position. It is common knowledge within Romney's camp that the only reason he is being investigated is out of respect. It isn't because they are actively considering him.

 

[specsaregood]

And I would say your specs arent really that good if you can't see that as a one way ticket to nowhere.

Actually, you haven't read the specs and thought about it if you don't comprehend all the positive posibilities of such a ticket.

 

[trey4sports]

Look- I'm not a supporter of Paul, but the odds of him cutting a deal for a VP position for either himself or his son are minute. I know a lot of high-level people in Romney's campaign, and not a single one had mentioned anything about them as possible VPs despite me directly asking- and that isn't just because I myself am not associated with Romney's campaign, as they have mentioned that both Portman and Rubio are actively being looked into. In their minds neither Ron nor his son brings much to the table- they don't guarantee a state, they don't buck up Romney's support among most conservatives, it is questionable whether Paul's most ardent supporters would support him for VP anyways, and Paul's outspoken ideology clashes with Romney's, which could easily end up looking pretty bad.

Paul seems like a good enough guy to not be trading in his position for some meaningless speech or the ability to 'influence the party's agenda'. If a deal exists it is probably to put Paul in a cabinet spot.

Or it is possible that the good Doctor's age is catching up to him and he just feels exhausted and worn out and wants to slow down the campaign. I've been on enough campaigns to know that they are grueling at the best of times, so it must be doubly hard on a man of Paul's age (even though Paul himself seems to be of fine health).



There is likely not a single person in the RNC that believes that Ron Paul would get anywhere near winning the general. Furthermore they are more focused upon other blocks voters than those who support Ron Paul- Hispanics, women, etc.

In other words that isn't part of any deal either. As I mentioned ff there is a deal it is almost certainly a cabinet position. CPs do hold a deal of power so there is no shame if that is indeed the compromise, though.

Edit: And there is no way that Santorum is getting the VP position. It is common knowledge within Romney's camp that the only reason he is being investigated is out of respect. It isn't because they are actively considering him.

yeah, Ron getting the VP spot is simply not going to happen. It would make for a very very sloppy campaign and wouldn't help Romney.

Lastly, while it was nice of you to suggest Ron being thought of as a potential cabinet member that would be a waste of his time simply because Romney is going to do what is politically expedient whereas Paul would be making philosophical suggestions. He would most likely spend most of his (diminished) work time with C4L leading the intraparty opposition to Romney's big-government policies.

 

[Carlybee]

Actually, you haven't read the specs and thought about it if you don't comprehend all the positive posibilities of such a ticket.

Tell someone who buys it. I don't and never will. Not after all the dirty tricks the warmongering neocons have pulled. Karl Rove is affiliated with a SuperPac. Do you want Karl Rove's brand of strategy anywhere near Ron Paul?
Get in bed with the devil if you wish. I'll write in Ron Paul for president only.

 

[anaconda]

I would personally be thrilled to see a deal struck for Rand Paul as VP or Ron as Treasury Secretary or maybe both

I would be thrilled also. But I definitely WILL NOT vote for it.

 

[Ivash]

yeah, Ron getting the VP spot is simply not going to happen. It would make for a very very sloppy campaign and wouldn't help Romney.

Lastly, while it was nice of you to suggest Ron being thought of as a potential cabinet member that would be a waste of his time simply because Romney is going to do what is politically expedient whereas Paul would be making philosophical suggestions. He would most likely spend most of his (diminished) work time with C4L leading the intraparty opposition to Romney's big-government policies.

I don't know. Cabinet spots actually can hold a great deal of power in those in the spots play their cards correctly.

It doesn't always work out like that, but a Paul who held Romney's ear could do not but have some pull with him. I personally don't believe that Romney and Obama are all that alike- Obama is at heart a hard-cord liberal while Romney is a flip flopper with no spine. Obama will pursue what he believes in unless it is extraordinarily politically stupid; Romney will pursue what he thinks will make him popular no matter what. The latter type of people are far more easily influenced.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Bullshit. He would have to stand up at the convention arm in arm with Romney. Your choice however if...and its a big if...that were to happen. I dont think it will. I wouldnt doubt it be offered to Santorum before RP. And if it were offered to RP and he accepted then I would assume the GOP was holding his family for ransom. No way..no how. That is NOT the path to liberty.

I agree, and I fail to see why your analysis isn't obvious to all.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Are you kidding me. Becoming VP would be a tacit endorsement of everything Romney would do as President, a good 80% of which would be contrary to what Dr. Paul believes in.

^^ This.

 

[Treathurst]

A Lone Sentinel

I am not young, I am old...

...and until a year ago...I BELIEVED I lived in the land of the free; by the time I realized I had stood idle while my Liberty and Freedom was eased away...one small concession at a time...the hour of no return, was all but neigh...and, I felt a loss so bitter and so deep… it clawed its way up from my heart and wrenched itself from my eyes. My desolation caught in my throat, in great heaves of anguish and shame...and I wept...I am so ashamed...I am so ashamed…

In the midst of my despair I began to hear of one who was a steadfast champion of the Constitution, a thundering fist in a velvet glove, a lone, torch bearing sentinel, standing in the darkness, lighting the way to Freedom for all who would see and follow.

His name is Dr. Ron Paul.

I read and I listened…I listened and I read…I am now wide-awake…and I am educated…and I am a sheep no longer……and I am madder than Hell!!!

My father fought in the Battle of the Bulge, he slept in the mud and the blood and the freezing cold of the Ardennes; he bared his teeth and he killed, he endured and prayed and pressed forward, he was one of, “Roosevelt’s Bloody Hatchet Men”, the elite, and he would not be denied. And when the shooting and bombing and burning and killing was finally over, he came home.

My father returned to the, “Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave”, healthy on the outside, but, deep within his soul, where the eye cannot see and the ear cannot hear…he was mortally wounded.

For 63 years, my father screamed the horrors of “Freedom” into the darkness… his nightmares drenched the sheets with terror and turned his heart and his stomach with revulsion. For 50 years, I listened, as my father sacrificed his life, night after night, that I might breath free.

With resolve, and as a testimony to my father, and all who have sacrificed in like kind in the defense of our Nation and our Liberty and our Freedom…I will NEVER cast my single ballot… my blood bought vote… in favor of any which would threaten my Constitution and seek to enslave me or my countrymen.

Hear me……I will NEVER vote for, now will I acknowledge or support, anyone other than Ron Paul!

If the Republicans want to avoid a divided party...they can come to us.... for the distance is the same...and we will NEVER go to them.... so...the choice is THEIRS to make....we have made our decision.

The Republican Party can either come and get on Dr. Paul's train to Freedom ...or they can stay with Obama and his cronies at the station of Fascism…

 

[libertylastchance]

Seriously, do you have a link for that?

 

[Marky]

I'd consider Dr. Paul as the VP spot as a huge win. It wouldn't be the hugest; but it would put Paul in a position where he has access to most everything and a pulpit from which he can speak freely.

So you think he’ll be able to "speak freely" when Romney pushes for the next bailout or next war??????

 

[Treathurst]

I do agree that Dr. Paul could own Romney if RP was VP....

 

[trey4sports]

I don't know. Cabinet spots actually can hold a great deal of power in those in the spots play their cards correctly.

It doesn't always work out like that, but a Paul who held Romney's ear could do not but have some pull with him. I personally don't believe that Romney and Obama are all that alike- Obama is at heart a hard-cord liberal while Romney is a flip flopper with no spine. Obama will pursue what he believes in unless it is extraordinarily politically stupid; Romney will pursue what he thinks will make him popular no matter what. The latter type of people are far more easily influenced.

Maybe Rand would be interested but that is certainly not something Ron has ever shown any kind of interest in. Besides, he would be a major liability for Mitt. Could you imagine the treasury secretary constantly talking about why we should be ending the Fed? That would be a nightmare for a president who values political expediency and "getting things done."

Further, i can't say i agree that there is a big difference between Mitt and O. Obama has shown that he will do what is politically expedient as opposed to chase his liberal beliefs. (Bush tax cuts, more wars, drug war reform)

 

[Carlybee]

A Lone Sentinel

I am not young, I am old...

...and until a year ago...I BELIEVED I lived in the land of the free; by the time I realized I had stood idle while my Liberty and Freedom was eased away...one small concession at a time...the hour of no return, was all but neigh...and, I felt a loss so bitter and so deep… it clawed its way up from my heart and wrenched itself from my eyes. My desolation caught in my throat, in great heaves of anguish and shame...and I wept...I am so ashamed...I am so ashamed…

In the midst of my despair I began to hear of one who was a steadfast champion of the Constitution, a thundering fist in a velvet glove, a lone, torch bearing sentinel, standing in the darkness, lighting the way to Freedom for all who would see and follow.

His name is Dr. Ron Paul.

I read and I listened…I listened and I read…I am now wide-awake…and I am educated…and I am a sheep no longer……and I am madder than Hell!!!

My father fought in the Battle of the Bulge, he slept in the mud and the blood and the freezing cold of the Ardennes; he bared his teeth and he killed, he endured and prayed and pressed forward, he was one of, “Roosevelt’s Bloody Hatchet Men”, the elite, and he would not be denied. And when the shooting and bombing and burning and killing was finally over, he came home.

My father returned to the, “Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave”, healthy on the outside, but, deep within his soul, where the eye cannot see and the ear cannot hear…he was mortally wounded.

For 63 years, my father screamed the horrors of “Freedom” into the darkness… his nightmares drenched the sheets with terror and turned his heart and his stomach with revulsion. For 50 years, I listened, as my father sacrificed his life, night after night, that I might breath free.

With resolve, and as a testimony to my father, and all who have sacrificed in like kind in the defense of our Nation and our Liberty and our Freedom…I will NEVER cast my single ballot… my blood bought vote… in favor of any which would threaten my Constitution and seek to enslave me or my countrymen.

Hear me……I will NEVER vote for, now will I acknowledge or support, anyone other than Ron Paul!

If the Republicans want to avoid a divided party...they can come to us.... for the distance is the same...and we will NEVER go to them.... so...the choice is THEIRS to make....we have made our decision.

The Republican Party can either come and get on Dr. Paul's train to Freedom ...or they can stay with Obama and his cronies at the station of Fascism…

^This and thank you

 

[Treathurst]

I don't think I understand how this works, how do I reply to a "particular" post with out making a post of my own?

 

[Carlybee]

I don't think I understand how this works, how do I reply to a "particular" post with out making a post of my own?

Click the button that says reply with quote then post quick reply after youve typed your text