What is Donald Trump's IQ?

[statist slayer]

Lovable? Are you on crack or something? At no point being on this forum have I said anything remotely complementary about Trump's personality, nor do I approve of anything that he's done, I'd be thrilled tomorrow if I got news of him getting hit by a bus. If you're just trying to be a tool because you can't focus your anger on actual Trump supporters, you might want to consider switching your posting habits because you're making an utter ass out of yourself.

Seriously, lay off the retard sauce for a couple hours.

I don't mind getting your goat, because I think I have a valid point here. Donald Trump is no genius, let alone above average. He's just a vulgar Joe Schmo.

 

[hells_unicorn]

Guess what, 50% of the population has an IQ < 100. And I wouldn't hesitate to put Don Juan Trump in the bottom 50%. That's why so many morons identify with him and his business record has been decidedly neutral. Emotional intelligence is also different than IQ. Donald surely has very high emotional intelligence.

Precisely, and how many of that 50% can whip up the rest in an effective manner similar to what Trump has accomplished? The answer is none, more intelligent people always manipulate the less intelligent. Being manipulative requires more than just being able to manage one's emotions, it takes the ability to abstractly understand how to manipulate information. I could maybe put Trump in the 120s and justify what he has accomplished, but putting him under 100 is simply emotional hyperbole.

Look, Trump is probably the worst person running for office right now in terms of domestic policy, barring maybe Bernie Sanders, and his foreign policy is worse than Ted Cruz's and maybe nominally better than Rubio's in terms of rhetoric. I'd sooner stay home than vote for Trump. But we're not talking about how terrible Trump would be as president, we are making estimates on intelligence, ergo something concrete.

 

[Zippyjuan]

IQ is just a number- and doen't necessarily mean one is smart at all things. Trump knows people and how to get them to do things he wants them to do. By that measure- he is certainly genius. And that is what it takes to become a President.

His "EGO Score" is certainly well above average.

 

[statist slayer]

Precisely, and how many of that 50% can whip up the rest in an effective manner similar to what Trump has accomplished? The answer is none, more intelligent people always manipulate the less intelligent. Being manipulative requires more than just being able to manage one's emotions, it takes the ability to abstractly understand how to manipulate information. I could maybe put Trump in the 120s and justify what he has accomplished, but putting him under 100 is simply emotional hyperbole.

Look, Trump is probably the worst person running for office right now in terms of domestic policy, barring maybe Bernie Sanders, and his foreign policy is worse than Ted Cruz's and maybe nominally better than Rubio's in terms of rhetoric. I'd sooner stay home than vote for Trump. But we're not talking about how terrible Trump would be as president, we are making estimates on intelligence, ergo something concrete.

Sure, maybe he could be in the 100-120 range. But wealth and celebrity go a LONG way. And I can't think of a single time he has displayed true intellect as opposed to the raw emotional intelligence of a huckster. I think a useful explanation for his killer instinct is his childhood extracting money out of slumserfs with his dad.

 

[hells_unicorn]

I don't mind getting your goat, because I think I have a valid point here. Donald Trump is no genius, let alone above average. He's just a vulgar Joe Schmo.

You thinking that Trump is mildly retarded or even saying it doesn't get my goat, you behaving like douche bag and intentionally trying to provoke a pointless argument is where my domesticated mountain-dwelling buddy is having a problem. You're not showing a great deal of intelligence in how you are approaching this, so should I assume that you are down there with the other 50%?

 

[hells_unicorn]

Sure, maybe he could be in the 100-120 range. But wealth and celebrity go a LONG way. And I can't think of a single time he has displayed true intellect as opposed to the raw emotional intelligence of a huckster. I think a useful explanation for his killer instinct is his childhood extracting money out of slumserfs with his dad.

And scientists with a knack for extorting tax money from a crooked government by using a fake apocalypse (climate change) have low IQs because of having a similar killer instinct? This is not a logical argument, and it does not immediately follow that all hucksters possess low intelligence. Smart people do unethical things all the time, it's actually part of the reason why this country has a massive problem with 4th Amendment violations via the surveillance state, you don't pull this off without smart, tech-savvy people willing to sell their souls for a career and a pension.

 

[statist slayer]

You thinking that Trump is mildly retarded or even saying it doesn't get my goat, you behaving like douche bag and intentionally trying to provoke a pointless argument is where my domesticated mountain-dwelling buddy is where the problem lies. You're not showing a great deal of intelligence in how you are approaching this, so should I assume that you are down there with the other 50%?

Never had my IQ tested. I've made all the points I wanted to make: he is no intellectual, he has high emotional intelligence, he honed his killer instinct as a slumlord with his dad, and he has convinced people like you that he actually is a genius, as he preposterously claims.

 

[rg17]

An IQ of 69!

 

[hells_unicorn]

Never had my IQ tested. I've made all the points I wanted to make: he is no intellectual, he has high emotional intelligence, he honed his killer instinct as a slumlord with his dad, and he has convinced people like you that he actually is a genius, as he preposterously claims.

Gotcha, so you have no idea what you are talking about. I've had my IQ tested several times, though not since I was of school going age, but I have read up on what goes into such testing, primarily for purposes of understanding why certain people excel at different things while having the same relative IQ score. I've also read a fair bit into the science behind the controversial "The Bell Curve" book and how groups of people can reflect comparable levels of intelligence in certain areas.

Again, if you want to piss all over Donald Trump, you'll get no complaints from me. However, you asserting that I have been fooled into believing something about him is uncalled for, and is precisely how we got to where we are now. I have a feeling in any other context you and I would be trying to one-up each other on how terrible Trump is as both a politician and even a human being, which is a reflection of you being overzealous and attacking one of your own team.

There are real trolls on this forum who are running around promoting Trump's candidacy, focus all of this at them and we'll be fine.

 

[timosman]

Smart people do unethical things all the time, it's actually part of the reason why this country has a massive problem with 4th Amendment violations via the surveillance state, you don't pull this off without smart, tech-savvy people willing to sell their souls for a career and a pension.

You know of better options?

 

[Dr.3D]

 

[hells_unicorn]

You know of better options?

Actually, while we're on this little off-topic subject, I can actually give you an example of a person that I'm best friends with who has a standard job as a freelance I.T. worker who has also done some work for my business. He was approached by a CIA recruiter about 8 years ago because of his high IQ (I think he's in the 150s actually) and his abilities with computer code. He turned the recruiter down and pretty much told him right to his face that the reason for the no answer was that he didn't like the idea of getting either scapegoated or suicided if he was involved in some espionage scheme that went south.

He probably makes less than 1/4 of what your average "agency" person makes, and he's proud of it because he makes his money square.

 

[timosman]

Actually, while we're on this little off-topic subject, I can actually give you an example of a person that I'm best friends with who has a standard job as a freelance I.T. worker who has also done some work for my business. He was approached by a CIA recruiter about 8 years ago because of his high IQ (I think he's in the 150s actually) and his abilities with computer code. He turned the recruiter down and pretty much told him right to his face that the reason for the no answer was that he didn't like the idea of getting either scapegoated or suicided if he was involved in some espionage scheme that went south.

He probably makes less than 1/4 of what your average "agency" person makes, and he's proud of it because he makes his money square.

A very nice story, but most scientists do not like freelance. Having a high IQ also allows you to justify almost anything so bending the truth a bit is not a problem.

 

[jkob]

I'll go somewhere in the 126-149 range, smart guy and obviously very calculating.

fwiw I think IQ is a pretty worthless measure of intelligence

 

[hells_unicorn]

A very nice story, but most scientists do not like freelance. Having a high IQ also allows you to justify almost anything so bending the truth a bit is not a problem.

Oh, I'm sure most scientists don't like freelancing. Most of them also tend to be atheists and agnostics, which means they can sleep like babies at night while being fully aware of what their expertise does to others when it's given over to the government. This isn't to say that bloodthirsty theocratic thinkers like Huckabee and Santorum are any better, but there is a certain degree of moral nihilism that goes along with only being afraid of serving things evil if you get caught, which is essentially what these "scientists" are doing. As you say, high IQ can also make one adept at justifying almost anything, and a mass death like mid 1940s Japan has long made me question the wisdom of being a "government scientist". Granted, the last IQ score I had was fairly high, but I've always favored less deadly trades like music and literature to applied technology. A matter of taste, I suppose.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Actually, while we're on this little off-topic subject, I can actually give you an example of a person that I'm best friends with who has a standard job as a freelance I.T. worker who has also done some work for my business. He was approached by a CIA recruiter about 8 years ago because of his high IQ (I think he's in the 150s actually) and his abilities with computer code. He turned the recruiter down and pretty much told him right to his face that the reason for the no answer was that he didn't like the idea of getting either scapegoated or suicided if he was involved in some espionage scheme that went south.

He probably makes less than 1/4 of what your average "agency" person makes, and he's proud of it because he makes his money square.

I went to school with a guy who is considered to have one of the highest IQs in the world (currently #2 on the list). His careers have been a nude artist's model, a bouncer, and a TV show writer. He currently writes questions for game shows and Jimmy Kimmel Live. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_G._Rosner He also spent 12 years in high school.

High IQ doesn't always mean smart in the real world- which he freely admits.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

There's no shortage of rumours on the webbernets, for sure. I'd SWAG 120ish. More important though, he's charismatic and manipulative-perhaps a bit sociopathic. IMO, he is indeed a genius as a troll, attention whore, and manipulative bullshitter.

 

[juleswin]

I have yet to hear or read anything from Trump that I would say is particularly illuminating or insightful to any meaningful degree. Yes he has said a lot of common sense things especially on foreign policy but none of that makes him brilliant in my book.

I think the category of intelligence Trump has is not something that is measurable with an IQ test, so my guess is that he would score somewhere near the average at 100 in the conventional IQ test. He is no mental giant.

 

[Origanalist]

Trump is a lovable diabolical genius... that's the FALSE narrative that feeds the Trumpkins. I'd definitely say you've been hoodwinked. The Trumpkins had been looking for a simpleton standard-bearer, and they got him in spades.

I think you're really confused.

 

[Origanalist]

His IQ is obviously higher than the people supporting his fake ass.