What if God smoked Cannibus?

[Josh_LA]

this should be the libertarian anthem!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PybtBKSAtLM

 

[asimplegirl]

you know, considering that Jesus came form the middle east, he probably did smoke something as it is part of the culture, right?

I just don't see Jesus being offended by much, especially something he created if you aren't abusing it and using it as a moral pincushion while you do immoral things. Can you?

 

[dannno]

you know, considering that Jesus came form the middle east, he probably did smoke something as it is part of the culture, right?

I just don't see Jesus being offended by much, especially something he created if you aren't abusing it and using it as a moral pincushion while you do immoral things. Can you?

There is some research suggesting that Jesus would gather with his disciples and they would burn cannabis on top of the fires in their tents, and they would get high from the smoke emanating from the fire.

There's also research suggesting that between the ages of 13-30 he joined a mushroom cult and just sorta wandered around for 15 years.

http://www.iamshaman.com/amanita/jesus.htm


Also check out this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSWoc62VlAQ

 

[silverlinkx2]

I seriously doubt how anybody who's read the gospel for all of 5 minutes could say that Jesus ever pertook in any hallucinogenic drugs

 

[dannno]

I seriously doubt how anybody who's read the gospel for all of 5 minutes could say that Jesus ever pertook in any hallucinogenic drugs

I seriously doubt that someone who has never partaken in hallucinogenic drugs has the credibility to talk about the relationship of hallucinogenic drugs to spirituality..

 

[dannno]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9522-magic-mushrooms-really-cause-spiritual-experiences.html

"Magic" mushrooms really do have a spiritual effect on people, according to the most rigorous look yet at this aspect of the fungus's active ingredient.

About one-third of volunteers in the carefully controlled new study had a "complete" mystical experience after taking psilocybin, with half of them describing their encounter as the single most spiritually significant experience in their lifetimes.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/36880.html

Although the religious use of mushrooms containing the psychedelic drug psilocybin dates back thousands of years, early practitioners were not familiar with controlled, double-blind experimental methods. That helps explain the sensation caused by a study in the journal Psychopharmacology, whose title announced that “psilocybin can occasion mystical-type experiences having substantial and sustained personal meaning and spiritual significance.”

http://brainmind.com/psilocybinspirituality.html

Source: Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions
Psilocybin & Spirituality, July 14, 2006

Using unusually rigorous scientific conditions and measures, Johns Hopkins researchers have shown that the active agent in "sacred mushrooms" can induce mystical/spiritual experiences descriptively identical to spontaneous ones people have reported for centuries.

The resulting experiences apparently prompt positive changes in behavior and attitude that last several months, at least.

 

[Uriel999]

I seriously doubt that someone who has never partaken in hallucinogenic drugs has the credibility to talk about the relationship of hallucinogenic drugs to spirituality..

Burn!

 

[silverlinkx2]

I seriously doubt that someone who has never partaken in hallucinogenic drugs has the credibility to talk about the relationship of hallucinogenic drugs to spirituality..

Oh spirituality? You mean that completely invisible thing that has absolutely nothing to do with science or empiricism?

Can you tell me how to measure spirituality? how much is it? how do you affect it?

oh that's right, you can't, a bunch of people who are bumming off of prestigious universities made some "studies" that said that "getting high" affects something called "spirituality" which is a completely made up notion with no basis in reality

Yeah, epic burn

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Spirituality is real, IMHO.

Oh spirituality? You mean that completely invisible thing that has absolutely nothing to do with science or empiricism?

Can you tell me how to measure spirituality? how much is it? how do you affect it?

oh that's right, you can't, a bunch of people who are bumming off of prestigious universities made some "studies" that said that "getting high" affects something called "spirituality" which is a completely made up notion with no basis in reality

Yeah, epic burn

 

[Kludge]

There's also research suggesting that between the ages of 13-30 he joined a mushroom cult and just sorta wandered around for 15 years.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSWoc62VlAQ

Glad I didn't have anything in my mouth when I read that.

 

[dannno]

Oh spirituality? You mean that completely invisible thing that has absolutely nothing to do with science or empiricism?

Can you tell me how to measure spirituality? how much is it? how do you affect it?

oh that's right, you can't, a bunch of people who are bumming off of prestigious universities made some "studies" that said that "getting high" affects something called "spirituality" which is a completely made up notion with no basis in reality

Yeah, epic burn

No, they did a double blind study and found that about half the people who take mushrooms have the most significant spiritual experience in their lifetime. Did you read the first 5 words or did you take the time to read the whole post?

As a Christian you're not supposed to judge other people's spirituality, either, so be careful.

I grew up in a religious environment, I believed in God and had plenty of spiritual experiences as a kid. Then I grew up, did mushrooms and found out that religion is simply a construct and a tool for social control. God is in each of us, or at least what humans recognize as God is in each of us. I am agnostic, but also very spiritual.. I just don't know how spirituality relates to the after life or any particular organization, I don't think we are supposed to know.

 

[silverlinkx2]

I think that human beings are purely biological entities that are just as wired as machines are and that any "experience" that you get from chemicals is just as artificial as you claim religion is.

That being said, as a Christian I am insulted that you would insinuate that Jesus did drugs, not because of my viewpoints on drugs, but that you would associate something that is supposed to be pure and holy with something as ridiculous and taking shrooms. Whatever, I'm nothing like Jesus and I could never aspire to be, so say whatever you want.

 

[wizardwatson]

I think that human beings are purely biological entities that are just as wired as machines are and that any "experience" that you get from chemicals is just as artificial as you claim religion is.

That being said, as a Christian I am insulted that you would insinuate that Jesus did drugs, not because of my viewpoints on drugs, but that you would associate something that is supposed to be pure and holy with something as ridiculous and taking shrooms. Whatever, I'm nothing like Jesus and I could never aspire to be, so say whatever you want.

Jesus drank wine, in fact he manufactured it. Not only did he take drugs he was a drug dealer and manufacturer.

 

[silverlinkx2]

Jesus drank wine, in fact he manufactured it. Not only did he take drugs he was a drug dealer and manufacturer.

He drank wine because alcohol was the only type of preservative back then. As for the second part of your post, it's so ridiculous it's hardly worth acknowledging.

 

[wizardwatson]

He drank wine because alcohol was the only type of preservative back then. As for the second part of your post, it's so ridiculous it's hardly worth acknowledging.

I'm just saying alcohol is a drug like any other, and according to the Bible Jesus converted water into wine for the purpose of distributing wine.

Are you saying that Jesus drank wine because of the qualities it had as a preservative? Because I would say that is also ridiculous.

There is a difference between drinking and "drunkenness". Similarly with other drugs there is a difference between their use and the equivalent "drunkenness". Many drugs are more prone to "drunkenness" than alcohol like amphetamines and opiates. Some are less prone to "drunkenness" than alcohol like hallucinogens.

 

[NaT805]

That being said, as a Christian I am insulted that you would insinuate that Jesus did drugs, not because of my viewpoints on drugs, but that you would associate something that is supposed to be pure and holy with something as ridiculous and taking shrooms.

What makes shrooms ridiculous? Drugs back then weren't "drugs" they were things from the earth. God created the Earth and everything on it, you're saying God's creation is ridiculous...

 

[silverlinkx2]

So are uranium and plutonium and x-ray and gamma ray radiation and measles and smallpox and rubella and mumps and HIV and AIDS and the black plague and ringworm and mercury and lightning and hurricanes and tornadoes.

Just because it's natural doesn't mean its good for you.

 

[dannno]

So are uranium and plutonium and x-ray and gamma ray radiation and measles and smallpox and rubella and mumps and HIV and AIDS and the black plague and ringworm and mercury and lightning and hurricanes and tornadoes.

Just because it's natural doesn't mean its good for you.

Ya, and you are making the assumption that hallucinogens are inherently bad for you, yet there are a lot of people who have had the most spiritually significant experience of their life on them.

So what are you basing this off of? Government studies? Why do you think the government would have any interest in having people thinking for themselves or exploring constructs of social control? Don't you see that the entire psychological point of hallucinogens is to help people identify human constructs and their vast effect on and ability to control society? That's why so many people "drop out".

 

[dannno]

I think that human beings are purely biological entities that are just as wired as machines are and that any "experience" that you get from chemicals is just as artificial as you claim religion is.

That being said, as a Christian I am insulted that you would insinuate that Jesus did drugs, not because of my viewpoints on drugs, but that you would associate something that is supposed to be pure and holy with something as ridiculous and taking shrooms. Whatever, I'm nothing like Jesus and I could never aspire to be, so say whatever you want.

Wow, this statement says to me that you have very little to no spirituality, which is the case for many Christians (there are many real spiritual Christians on this board, however).

Spirituality, which you claim is "invisible", is in fact tangible within our beings. I don't know what it actually is, but I do know that spirituality is essentially the intimate connection between ourselves, God and his creation. You seem to be claiming that we are biological beings with no connection to God or his creation and God is just a scientist with a bunch of test tubes.

 

[M House]

That cactus juice is kinda hallucinogenic and I can't really see anything too harmful about it. Anyway I don't believe in religion and feel your a biological machine sorta but you are quite a bit more special than anything we can construct for sure.