What if giving up on this effort would mean giving up on our nation?

Rocco

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What if we are idly sitting by as our nation spirals towards martial law? What if Obama has every intention of using NDAA against dissenters? What if the National Defense Resource Preparedness act is the government trying to exploit the inevitable collapse to take over the economy? What if the massive deficits we have been accumulating are looked at in 100 years as the beginning of the death of this great nation? What if Obama is able to successfully eliminate the Supreme Court as a legitimate check on the executive branch? What if we have more terrorists, more hatred of America and more foreign enemies as a result of our insane foreign policy? What if they find it necessary next to repeal the 2nd amendment, as they have the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th and 10th amendments already?

What if this election is our last chance? What if we look back and cry that we relegated our children to poverty, though we had the chance to stop it? What if there really is a major attack on an American city as a result of the hatred we incite? What if they continue to take away our civil liberties at the rate they have? What if we all did something about it? What if, rather, our nation DEPENDS on us doing something about it? What if we don't have til 2016 to make the changes necessary to prevent the collapse? What if the nation depends on a successful Ron Paul presidential run, be it republican or 3rd party? What if, despite the affect we can have on congress, a Romney or Obama presidency would strengthen executive control to make our gains worthless? What if our revolution is fought out of the fact that we have no choice anymore? What if this fight that we are involved in changes America, and all of these concerns are addressed? What if, rather then looking back at the death of our nation, we could look back at a recovery? What if this is the beginning of a revolution of freedom which will sweep through this country? I hope we can make this happen....our nation depends on it.
 
well, nothing last forever. all great empires fall.

it is unfortunate that we live in a time where USA might fall. >.<
 
Outstanding post for anyone who needs a reminder of what's at stake here. If we quit trying, then there is no doubt we lose.
 
I've been wondering similar things (and also +rep)
https://www.facebook.com/BenSwannRealityCheck
Ben Swann asked this today


Judge Andrew Napolitano ask this before him



and Representative Ron Paul even before that


I too will ask it, I will ask it right now.

What if these men are right? What if what they've feared has come to pass? What if it could get worse? What if we give up on 2012?
What if Ron Paul is never president? What if individuals are literally being killed by the status quo? What if the Constitution is practiced less by our government every day? What if our nation bears this festering wound for another four years? What if we're running out of time?


"What happens if my concerns are completely unfounded? Nothing.
But what happens if my concerns are justified and ignored? Nothing good.
...and I yield back the balance of my time." ~ Ron Paul
 
I don't think this election is as important as starting brush fires of freedom. We'll win in the long run because we have to. We'll continue to fight because we have no other option.
 
There will be an America after the election is over, of this I have no doubt. However, the human tragedy that will occur at the height of the collapse will be so horrible that we will be fundamentally changed as a nation.

I don't think this election is as important as starting brush fires of freedom. We'll win in the long run because we have to. We'll continue to fight because we have no other option.
 
I don't think this election is as important as starting brush fires of freedom. We'll win in the long run because we have to. We'll continue to fight because we have no other option.

the thing i worry about is.. will people make the same mistake in 2016?? seem's people have been voting for the "popular" or "flavor of the month" candidate. will they vote for liberty or forget everything from 2012 and vote for establishment again?

it seems that the majority of the population might fall in the above category.
 
I don't think this election is as important as starting brush fires of freedom. We'll win in the long run because we have to. We'll continue to fight because we have no other option.
That's right. Regardless of what happens with the good doctor's candidacy, freedom-minded people will remain. What we need to do is conquer our fear of death. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Death is inevitable for everyone and will come sooner than we think, but slavery is never inevitable. No one can enslave a person who isn't afraid of death, or who is at least more afraid of subjugation than of death.

If jackbooted thugs come to drag you off to some torture chamber or hellhole because you're a political dissident or have committed some other non-crime, it's time to let loose. Do whatever it takes to stop them. Be prepared in advance. If you take out one or more of them before they kill you, the glorious victory is yours, and their mission -- to capture or kill you with impunity -- will be a dismal failure. Eventually the surviving thugs will die too, whether of old age or at the hands of other freedom-fighters like yourself. But when they die, they'll die as cowards who served evil and corrupt masters like trained dogs. You'll die a hero who served a noble cause, even if you get no parades or public adulation.
 
the thing i worry about is.. will people make the same mistake in 2016??

Yes, but less people will do so. We'll win more over at that time too, because people like you and I will have learned from this Ron Paul campaign, and we'll have gleaned better ways to communicate the message to others. This is a long game. It doesn't end in 2012, or 2016, or 2020.

seem's people have been voting for the "popular" or "flavor of the month" candidate. will they vote for liberty or forget everything from 2012 and vote for establishment again?

it seems that the majority of the population might fall in the above category.

We have to change what is popular. People will fall in line after that. Our duty is to be as moral as possible, to be as productive as possible. We need to be shining examples of Liberty in action, and we need to show -in the most humble manner possible- everyone else that this is The Way. When we do that, we can rest.
 
This "nation" doesn't want to be saved. Politics as usual with all the repercussions that comes with it.

Really? Your neighbors don't want freedom? Your parents don't? Your friends don't?

I don't buy it. Everyone wants what we offer. They just don't realize it yet, because they're busy being productive human beings, or conditioned to rely on the state.
 
That's right. Regardless of what happens with the good doctor's candidacy, freedom-minded people will remain. What we need to do is conquer our fear of death. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Death is inevitable for everyone and will come sooner than we think, but slavery is never inevitable. No one can enslave a person who isn't afraid of death, or who is at least more afraid of subjugation than of death.

If jackbooted thugs come to drag you off to some torture chamber or hellhole because you're a political dissident or have committed some other non-crime, it's time to let loose. Do whatever it takes to stop them. Be prepared in advance. If you take out one or more of them before they kill you, the glorious victory is yours, and their mission -- to capture or kill you with impunity -- will be a dismal failure. Eventually the surviving thugs will die too, whether of old age or at the hands of other freedom-fighters like yourself. But when they die, they'll die as cowards who served evil and corrupt masters like trained dogs. You'll die a hero who served a noble cause, even if you get no parades or public adulation.

Awesome post, bud.

Have you ever read The Way or the Tao te Ching?
 
What if continuing this effort ensures the destruction of civilized society?

There comes a point when playing the political game becomes self-destructive; I'm starting to honestly believe that if we coalesce behind anyone less pure than Ron, we're going to drive ourselves right off the proverbial cliff - and nobody on the national political stage comes anywhere close to Ron in his defense and promotion of liberty.
 
That's right. Regardless of what happens with the good doctor's candidacy, freedom-minded people will remain. What we need to do is conquer our fear of death. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Death is inevitable for everyone and will come sooner than we think, but slavery is never inevitable. No one can enslave a person who isn't afraid of death, or who is at least more afraid of subjugation than of death.

If jackbooted thugs come to drag you off to some torture chamber or hellhole because you're a political dissident or have committed some other non-crime, it's time to let loose. Do whatever it takes to stop them. Be prepared in advance. If you take out one or more of them before they kill you, the glorious victory is yours, and their mission -- to capture or kill you with impunity -- will be a dismal failure. Eventually the surviving thugs will die too, whether of old age or at the hands of other freedom-fighters like yourself. But when they die, they'll die as cowards who served evil and corrupt masters like trained dogs. You'll die a hero who served a noble cause, even if you get no parades or public adulation.


No one gets out alive.

It is not a question of WHETHER people get killed. People ARE getting killed. It is a question of WHICH people get killed.

"At the end of the day"...as Talking Heads never tire of saying to connote thorough analysis...despite their "calling" elections with 1% of votes reporting...at the end of the day, each person has to ask him/herself: HOW DO I WANT TO LIVE? HOW DO I WANT TO DIE? HOW DO I WANT TO BE REMEMBERED?

If "we" STAY THE COURSE, I believe that in the fullness of time, Posterity will talk smack about American Rank & File the same way we talk smack about Hitler-era Germans.

WHY DID THEY GO ALONG UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE? THERE WERE SO MANY MORE OF THEM.

#WinstonChurchill: The whole history of the world is summed up in the fact that, when nations are strong, they are not always just, and when they wish to be just, they are no longer strong.
 
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