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What I know about the Raid of Liberty Dollar
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Safe bet its true.
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The search warrant posted on their website was only for the address in Evanston, IN. That's not to say there weren't more..
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SwanMaiden
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Ain't it the truth...
Man, the IRS and FBI have ruined so many good innocent people's lives, I hate them so much
This is an old story just being repeated again. If you want more examples just watch "America: Freedom to Fascism" or read ""My Battles Against Goliath" by Michael Minns, which has a forward by Ron Paul. I gauruntee you will be horrified and frightened.CCTelander
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Yeah, I saw that. A raid on eGold would have required a seperate warrant though, since they're a totally different entity not associated at all with the Liberty Dollar.
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This is a good article, I wonder whar RP is going to do or say. He is mentioned in the several times.
Sure are allot of Jews protesting this campaign..."JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN" I have never really given it a seconds thought but I see it everywhere. Is that just me?
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Maybe it was raided by this FBI. I know I got my badge.
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E GOLD:
Here we go! The govt using fear and lies AGAIN to control our money:
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11462
Child pornographers? Money laundering? Mail fraud? PLEASE. Just one more attempt to limit your options.
Here we go! The govt using fear and lies AGAIN to control our money:
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11462
Child pornographers? Money laundering? Mail fraud? PLEASE. Just one more attempt to limit your options.
Same Dennis L. Howell that donated to John Edwards in 04?
Anyone know about the State of Kansas vs. Dennis L. Howell case?
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My name and address is on the list of data seized from Liberty Dollar.
I've tangled with the feds before, on an unrelated matter. It wound up being highly embarrassing for them. The higher ups don't like being publicly embarrassed, and as you probably know, in a bureaucracy shit rolls downhill. And when Members of Congress call your boss's boss and ask what the hell you thought you were doing...
This is what's about to happen to one overzealous prosecutor in Asheville, N.C.
I've tangled with the feds before, on an unrelated matter. It wound up being highly embarrassing for them. The higher ups don't like being publicly embarrassed, and as you probably know, in a bureaucracy shit rolls downhill. And when Members of Congress call your boss's boss and ask what the hell you thought you were doing...
This is what's about to happen to one overzealous prosecutor in Asheville, N.C.
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STOP IT! You are just feeding into it. We have a lot of Jewish supporters. Please remember that.
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Here is something a friend of mine received as an email
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - Revised
FBI RAIDS SUNSHINE MINT
RON PAUL Liberty Dollars Amongst $20 Million Worth of Gold and Silver Confiscated
Evansville, Indiana, November 14, 2007 -- In an effort to suppress the movement back to Constitutional money, the FBI raided SUNSHINE MINT and the Liberty Dollar offices in Evansville, Indiana and confiscated over $20 million worth of silver, gold and platinum as well as other assets. Among the materials seized by twelve agents were almost two tons of commemorative Ron Paul Liberty Dollar coins. The FBI also took all files, computers and froze bank accounts.
Based upon Article I, Sections 8 & 10 of the U.S. Constitution, which state: "Congress shall have power to coin money, regulate the value thereof and ... No state shall ... coin money; emit bills of credit; make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts," monetary architect and head of SUNSHINE MINT, Bernard von NotHaus, claims he sought official permission from Edmond C. Moy, Director of the United States Mint, who acknowledged in a letter sent him and CCed to an appropriate U.S. Senator, that the paper certificates issued by SUNSHINE MINT did not violate Section 486 and were thus permissible.
But it seems that this permission did not prevent the raid, after which von NotHaus stated: "We now have no records to even know what was ordered or what the owners of the Liberty Dollars are owed in the event they wish to redeem their silver and gold, nevertheless; we will push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have money made of and backed by gold and silver as defined by the U.S. Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the unconstitutional fiat money currently being emitted as bills of credit by the Federal Reserve System."
But money backed by gold and silver -- what's known collectively as the "gold standard" -- isn't an idea generated only by von NotHaus or within the so-called "Ron Paul Revolution," it's an idea that goes back well before 1967 when former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan argued persuasively in favor of a gold standard, writing: "In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. . . . The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard."
Based upon reasoning like this, and the U.S. Constitution, von NotHaus began issuing paper certificate receipts, certificates that illustrate the type of currency the U.S. should have were the People to demand a return to Constitutional money redeemable in gold and silver. But von NotHaus never imagined that an agency of the U.S. government would, as Greenspan phrased it, be so "antagonistic toward the gold standard" here in 2007. But these paper certificates, as well as the gold and silver backing them, are exactly what the FBI has confiscated under the overt or covert direction of statists who many experts, apparently in agreement with Greenspan's essay, claim are stepping up their attempt to suppress a return to Constitutional money. With the recent decline of the dollar and the popularity of Ron Paul -- the only presidential candidate that's advocating a return to sound money, limited government, and abolition of the Federal Reserve System in the event it's not brought back into alignment with the U.S. Constitution -- it looks like the money issue is back on the table.
Among the Liberty Dollars being produced at the SUNSHINE MINT is the new Ron Paul Silver Dollar created to symbolize the national grass-roots movement for a return to sound money and limited government. Many Americans well remember when quarters and dimes were made of real silver and dollar bills were called "Silver Certificates." Silver Certificates were issued by the U.S. Treasury as Constitutional money because the People could turn these in for silver any time they suspected Congress was printing up and spending too much money. But somewhere between 1961 and 1971 (when Nixon closed the gold window making it impossible for foreigners to redeem their holdings of U.S. currency in gold), the last vestige of redeemable, Constitutional money was quietly phased out by the statists, as Alan Greenspan might have said. Many continue to this very day to argue whether this was a wise choice, especially given the current and unprecedented $9 trillion national debt and massive trade deficits now conspiring to destroy the U.S. dollar, now "fiat" currency issued by private bankers as so-called "Federal Reserve Notes" and no longer backed by either gold or silver.
Bernard von NotHaus is calling for a class action suit against the FBI and possibly the statists behind what some believe is an illegal raid: "Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption" says von NotHaus; "We cannot allow the government to steal our money. Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. We did nothing wrong and are entitled to have our property returned. Contact us at http://www.libertydollar.org:80/classaction/index.php to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back."
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PRESS CONTACT:
Lorraine Sterling, MEC
[email protected]
phone number removed
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - Revised
FBI RAIDS SUNSHINE MINT
RON PAUL Liberty Dollars Amongst $20 Million Worth of Gold and Silver Confiscated
Evansville, Indiana, November 14, 2007 -- In an effort to suppress the movement back to Constitutional money, the FBI raided SUNSHINE MINT and the Liberty Dollar offices in Evansville, Indiana and confiscated over $20 million worth of silver, gold and platinum as well as other assets. Among the materials seized by twelve agents were almost two tons of commemorative Ron Paul Liberty Dollar coins. The FBI also took all files, computers and froze bank accounts.
Based upon Article I, Sections 8 & 10 of the U.S. Constitution, which state: "Congress shall have power to coin money, regulate the value thereof and ... No state shall ... coin money; emit bills of credit; make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts," monetary architect and head of SUNSHINE MINT, Bernard von NotHaus, claims he sought official permission from Edmond C. Moy, Director of the United States Mint, who acknowledged in a letter sent him and CCed to an appropriate U.S. Senator, that the paper certificates issued by SUNSHINE MINT did not violate Section 486 and were thus permissible.
But it seems that this permission did not prevent the raid, after which von NotHaus stated: "We now have no records to even know what was ordered or what the owners of the Liberty Dollars are owed in the event they wish to redeem their silver and gold, nevertheless; we will push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have money made of and backed by gold and silver as defined by the U.S. Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the unconstitutional fiat money currently being emitted as bills of credit by the Federal Reserve System."
But money backed by gold and silver -- what's known collectively as the "gold standard" -- isn't an idea generated only by von NotHaus or within the so-called "Ron Paul Revolution," it's an idea that goes back well before 1967 when former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan argued persuasively in favor of a gold standard, writing: "In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. . . . The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard."
Based upon reasoning like this, and the U.S. Constitution, von NotHaus began issuing paper certificate receipts, certificates that illustrate the type of currency the U.S. should have were the People to demand a return to Constitutional money redeemable in gold and silver. But von NotHaus never imagined that an agency of the U.S. government would, as Greenspan phrased it, be so "antagonistic toward the gold standard" here in 2007. But these paper certificates, as well as the gold and silver backing them, are exactly what the FBI has confiscated under the overt or covert direction of statists who many experts, apparently in agreement with Greenspan's essay, claim are stepping up their attempt to suppress a return to Constitutional money. With the recent decline of the dollar and the popularity of Ron Paul -- the only presidential candidate that's advocating a return to sound money, limited government, and abolition of the Federal Reserve System in the event it's not brought back into alignment with the U.S. Constitution -- it looks like the money issue is back on the table.
Among the Liberty Dollars being produced at the SUNSHINE MINT is the new Ron Paul Silver Dollar created to symbolize the national grass-roots movement for a return to sound money and limited government. Many Americans well remember when quarters and dimes were made of real silver and dollar bills were called "Silver Certificates." Silver Certificates were issued by the U.S. Treasury as Constitutional money because the People could turn these in for silver any time they suspected Congress was printing up and spending too much money. But somewhere between 1961 and 1971 (when Nixon closed the gold window making it impossible for foreigners to redeem their holdings of U.S. currency in gold), the last vestige of redeemable, Constitutional money was quietly phased out by the statists, as Alan Greenspan might have said. Many continue to this very day to argue whether this was a wise choice, especially given the current and unprecedented $9 trillion national debt and massive trade deficits now conspiring to destroy the U.S. dollar, now "fiat" currency issued by private bankers as so-called "Federal Reserve Notes" and no longer backed by either gold or silver.
Bernard von NotHaus is calling for a class action suit against the FBI and possibly the statists behind what some believe is an illegal raid: "Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption" says von NotHaus; "We cannot allow the government to steal our money. Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. We did nothing wrong and are entitled to have our property returned. Contact us at http://www.libertydollar.org:80/classaction/index.php to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back."
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PRESS CONTACT:
Lorraine Sterling, MEC
[email protected]
phone number removed
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$20 Million dollars taken! That's criminal in every sense.
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Why doesn't the federal government raid Chuck E. Cheese's?
This is a serious question and a possible arguing point.
Chuck E. Cheese's distributes tokens and coins that are valid currencies backed by cheap Chinese prizes and/or paper tickets. In essence, it's a commodity backed currency. If they are raiding the Ron Paul Liberty Dollar outfit, then why aren't they raiding every establishment (like Chuck E. Cheese's) that has an indirection on top of the Federal Reserve notes? This includes other state highway road systems as well. Furthermore, all online gaming systems with currencies are now subject to problems, since virtual currencies have exchange rates with real currencies now.
This is a serious question and a possible arguing point.
Chuck E. Cheese's distributes tokens and coins that are valid currencies backed by cheap Chinese prizes and/or paper tickets. In essence, it's a commodity backed currency. If they are raiding the Ron Paul Liberty Dollar outfit, then why aren't they raiding every establishment (like Chuck E. Cheese's) that has an indirection on top of the Federal Reserve notes? This includes other state highway road systems as well. Furthermore, all online gaming systems with currencies are now subject to problems, since virtual currencies have exchange rates with real currencies now.
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Chuck E.'s young customers don't use the money to hedge against a falling dollar. 
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