What I know about the Raid of Liberty Dollar

[Indy Vidual]

Actually it says money laundering and mail fraud trying to read the codes right now.

http://www.libertydollar.org/legal/pdf/seizure_warrent_20071114.pdf

I think those charges are against customers or associates, not the main company.
Someone's house in South Carolina got raided too.
The people in South Carolina may have been doing something illegal, and the Fed's use it as an excuse to take down the main company.

Guilt by association.

 

[nullvalu]

Thanks to Melissa and DrNoZone for posting this link over in Hot Topics:

http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raid.htm

That's about as confirmed as it gets.

yep, on the front page as well: "FBI Raids Liberty Dollar" http://www.libertydollar.org/index.php

 

[Melissa]

I did not get that it was against customers at all sounds like they were trying hard to find a way to take all this companies stuff but I am still reading the US Codes they were taken from

 

[nullvalu]

yep, on the front page as well: "FBI Raids Liberty Dollar" http://www.libertydollar.org/index.php

Search warrant says they were authorized to obtain customer information.. If you ever had a transaction with Liberty Dollar, they know who you are now..

 

[Furis]

Search warrant says they were authorized to obtain customer information.. If you ever had a transaction with Liberty Dollar, they know who you are now..

Yep, makes me wonder if they will confiscate everyones stuff. Im on the list and I dont even have anything to show for it....... ordered 2 Ron Pauls Monday...... I highly doubt they got shipped before the raid.......

 

[nullvalu]

Seizure Warrant says they it was because they're believed to be involved in money laundering and mail fraud.

Judge Richard L Young on the search warrant and Dennis L Howell on the seizure warrant.

 

[Indy Vidual]

...The greater implications are that the government can confiscate anything they want to, for any reason! If you have gold in your home, they may come raid your house. Or even seize money from your bank account. They can do anything! The principle is there, and so they can.

Those "greater implications" also continue an existing mega-trend of tyranny.
The 'Drug War' and Patriot Act already allow 'them' to do almost anything.

 

[foofighter20x]

Seizure Warrant says they it was because they're believed to be involved in money laundering and mail fraud.

Judge Richard L Young on the search warrant and Dennis L Howell on the seizure warrant.

Ah... Mail fraud... That's the federal government's foot in the door to practically any crime.

LD shoulda shipped UPS or FedEx...

 

[Syren123]

Here is the big issue I have with this account: the plates aren't stored in Evansville; they're (appropriately) stored at the Sunshine Mint where the coins are made.

The plates were for the paper money, not the coins.

Okay everyone who is laughing or thinking this guy deserved it is missing the point. The point is that while the case was still in litigation, not over yet, still going on, not decided, the gold/silver and everything else in that store was PRIVATE PROPERTY and the feds came in and TOOK IT!!

THEY TOOK PRIVATE PROPERTY!!

That is straight out of Police State 101. It can happen to Liberty Dollar, it can happen to YOU.

 

[terlinguatx]

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[foofighter20x]

The plates were for the paper money, not the coins.

Okay everyone who is laughing or thinking this guy deserved it is missing the point. The point is that while the case was still in litigation, not over yet, still going on, not decided, the gold/silver and everything else in that store was PRIVATE PROPERTY and the feds came in and TOOK IT!!

THEY TOOK PRIVATE PROPERTY!!

That is straight out of Police State 101. It can happen to Liberty Dollar, it can happen to YOU.

Winner.

 

[dircha]

Well, this will be one for the lawyers to sort out, and it probably won't go in this gentleman's favor.

The Department of the Treasury seems to be alleging that the marketing literature for these coins states that these coins are not "current money" or "legal tender", but in the literature they are portrayed implicitly and explicitly as being used for and useful as current money and legal tender.

That is, the government alleges that while the coins are not marketed as current money or legal tender in name, they are marketed as being current money and legal tender in practice, and this is sufficient to violate the law.

This gentleman appears to have been clearly warned and given ample opportunity over the years to desist. It's admirable that he continued to fight on, but it should come as no surprise that there were consequences for his refusal to comply. I hope he is vindicated.

 

[specsaregood]

Say what you want about the LD people, but does ANYBODY think it is mere coincidence that the seizure warrant (http://www.libertydollar.org/legal/pdf/seizure_warrent_20071114.pdf)
was issued THE DAY AFTER Ron Paul took Bernake to task?

Seriously? This is retaliation it is finest (worst).

 

[Furis]

Say what you want about the LD people, but does ANYBODY think it is mere coincidence that the seizure warrant (http://www.libertydollar.org/legal/pdf/seizure_warrent_20071114.pdf)
was issued THE DAY AFTER Ron Paul took Bernake to task?

Seriously? This is retaliation it is finest (worst).

I wouldn't put it past out government....

 

[Melissa]

and what does it mean that some say this guy knew he was going to get in trouble but the feds waited till there were Ron Paul coins coming out --now is that coincidence

 

[terlinguatx]

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[Richandler]

Private property taken in the name of anti-competition against the governement, when the government is in clear violation of Article 1 section 10 of the constitution.

 

[Syren123]

Well, this will be one for the lawyers to sort out, and it probably won't go in this gentleman's favor.

The Department of the Treasury seems to be alleging that the marketing literature for these coins states that these coins are not "current money" or "legal tender", but in the literature they are portrayed implicitly and explicitly as being used for and useful as current money and legal tender.

That is, the government alleges that while the coins are not marketed as current money or legal tender in name, they are marketed as being current money and legal tender in practice, and this is sufficient to violate the law.

This gentleman appears to have been clearly warned and given ample opportunity over the years to desist. It's admirable that he continued to fight on, but it should come as no surprise that there were consequences for his refusal to comply. I hope he is vindicated.

HELLO?! Again for those of you just tuning in, there in an ONGOING case in Federal Court! It's still in litigation! It's not done yet!! No one is guilty yet!!

 

[specsaregood]

Not to mention it is the DAY AFTER Ron Paul was on Kudlow discussing his proposal of legalizing alternative, competing currencies on nationwide television!? (Of which I might add, the financial commentators on the show all liked the idea of?)

 

[Syren123]

Say what you want about the LD people, but does ANYBODY think it is mere coincidence that the seizure warrant (http://www.libertydollar.org/legal/pdf/seizure_warrent_20071114.pdf)
was issued THE DAY AFTER Ron Paul took Bernake to task?

Seriously? This is retaliation it is finest (worst).

Holy smoke. I never thought of that. You are probably right on the money. No pun intended.

That is truly sick.

Well, I'm on the Liberty Dollar customer list. Better pack my stuff and wait for the stormtroopers.