What has Rand Paul *done* so far, for liberty?

[ghengisconrad]

What has Rand Paul actually accomplished so far for liberty? I ask this as a supporter, who was asked that question, and came up empty handed.

The filibuster, for example, doesn't really accomplish anything. It's just a bunch of noise.

What has changed by his efforts?

 

[roho76]

He's accomplished 'not making things worse.' Does that count? That's an achievement all on it's own, these days. I'll take getting nothing done over getting horrible things done.

I had someone ask me that question before about Ron. He hasn't voted to rob, coerce, or kill you like the rest of them.

 

[carlton]

I think at this point in his career, it is more about what Rand is capable of.

 

[nikcers]

Rand Paul has been a constant thorn in the neo-cons side. He doesn't have much power, he does have considerable support given his limited time in politics, but what he does have is a voice for less foreign intervention and more privacy. He has taken the torch his father left. If you think that the 13 hour filibuster didn't do anything to convince the establishment to be afraid of him then why is he the only one besides Hillary that have attack ads against them?

 

[ghengisconrad]

If you think that the 13 hour filibuster didn't do anything to convince the establishment to be afraid of him then why is he the only one besides Hillary that have attack ads against them?

+1

 

[dude58677]

He blocked legislation that makes it illegal to use offshore accounts to evade taxes. Also like his father he has inspired State nullification. At least 20 State legislatures in New Hampshire are inspired by him. Finally he managed to be a front runner of a major political party. No libertarian has done that in 50 years and he did this in 5 years. He probably did the most ever for the freedom movement!

 

[William Tell]

A lot more than I have, probably even more than those who have asked the question have done.

 

[EBounding]

Would there be any discussion about privacy and civil liberties in the Republican party if Rand was never Senator? I really doubt it.

 

[Sola_Fide]

What did Ron Paul do for liberty legislatively?

 

[ghengisconrad]

What did Ron Paul do for liberty legislatively?

He presented a pure, uncompromising liberty position that people could learn from and aspire to.

Rand with his Iran sanctions, military budget increases, and generally neo-con apologetics is not a model of end-game.

 

[Sola_Fide]

He presented a pure, uncompromising liberty position that people could learn from and aspire to.

Rand with his Iran sanctions, military budget increases, and generally neo-con apologetics is not a model of end-game.

Well, at least we see why you started your thread now. Why didn't you just say it in the OP?

 

[IndianaPolitico]

Well, at least we see why you started your thread now. Why didn't you just say it in the OP?

It's amazing how many people suddenly come out of the woodwork to attempt to drag Rand down.

 

[The Northbreather]

Is the purpose of this thread to detract from Rands image or is it to gather a list of his accomplishments in one place for easy viewing/ sharing?

 

[ghengisconrad]

He presented a pure, uncompromising liberty position that people could learn from and aspire to.

Rand with his Iran sanctions, military budget increases, and generally neo-con apologetics is not a model of end-game.

Well, at least we see why you started your thread now. Why didn't you just say it in the OP?

Intention cannot be gained from my statement. It is (i hope) a mutually exclusive fact to supporting him or not

Is the purpose of this thread to detract from Rands image or is it to gather a list of his accomplishments in one place for easy viewing/ sharing?

The ladder. I am a tentative supporter.

 

[Sola_Fide]

It's amazing how many people suddenly come out of the woodwork to attempt to drag Rand down.

The interesting thing is, Ron wasn't as consistent and pure for some of these internet kids. He "supported the constitution" and supported Newt Gingrich for speaker and other such inconsistencies with anarchism.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Intention cannot be gained from my statement. It is (i hope) a mutually exclusive fact to supporting him or not



The ladder. I am a tentative supporter.

Hmmm. I don't understand either of these sentences. Could you clarify?

 

[tennman]

Ghengisconrad, please give this an honest read http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?472971-Rand-Paul-Libertarianish

 

[Krugminator2]

The hemp bill that got passed through the Senate was b/c of him pushing it and then McConnell slipping into the Farm Bill. The Paul Ryan budget that balanced in 28 years has been slimmed down in large part because Rand put out tougher budgets and opposed what used to be considered draconian cuts. The budget that just passed now is much tougher.

He basically changed the debate on Syria. There was originally almost no Republican opposition. I remember watching the committee debates and it was Rand vs everyone. I think his making the case on TV really shifted the debate.

There are a lot of other things like the long term unemployment benefit extension which didn't get renewed where he was basically the only one making the public case against renewing them. He kept Georgia from joining NATO, which would put us in a position of defending them if they got in a conflict vs Russia. I am sure I could think of quite a few more things but this is a start.

I see someone mentioned FATCA and the tax treaties that he has held up as well. That is a pretty big deal. I am sure he has killed a few nominations. He held the Surgeon General for 7 or 8 months.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

The ladder.

 

[HVACTech]

It's amazing how many people suddenly come out of the woodwork to attempt to drag Rand down.

not really, the logical consequence of understanding true Liberty is total Anarchy.

that is why trolls and shills are in abundance around here.

(best to ignore them)