What happened to Tucker Carlson? Did he get pissed off? and not come back?

[gls]

Yeah, that one pissed me off too. Curious emcee choice after that unhelpful episode.<IMHO> Hmm?

Yeah, who could've thought that the MSM would run away with this "story" in an effort to smear Paul's image among conservative GOP primary voters, even to the point where the AP was running articles about the incident 6 months after the fact? Certainly not naive little Tucker. He's just a Ron Paul supporter who doesn't understand how the corporate media works.

 

[pacelli]

He looked like he wasn't feeling well to me (flushed/sweating)...maybe he got sick.

Yeah, and his smug jokes about each of the speakers weren't coming off well either. Lew Rockwell "the bearded one"?

 

[New York For Paul]

I wasn't even paying much attention to Tucker Carlson until this thread. With friends like Tucker Carlson, who needs enemies. Tucker probably cost Ron Paul 10 percentage points in various republican primaries around the country with his "lets bring the pimp and prostitutes to a Ron Paul rally" and get national news.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21973236/

Now I have to question the CFL for their judgement. With all the great Ron Paul supporters and speakers available, why would the CFL go back to Tucker?

I have heard much more amazing eloquent MCs such as Ernie Hancock, and others who would have done a much better job.

Maybe the CFL needs to rethink this. Think twice about Tucker Carlson. Amazingly, most campaigns employ dirty tricks specialists and try to set up candidates with prostitutes and pimps. Tucker Carlson gives them a ride to Ron Paul events and parades them before the media in the middle of the Republican primaries where the southern conservative voters decide much of everything.

Considering the Republican party is made up of conservative voters, you don't antagonize the base you are trying to win by throwing in their face the prostitution issue.

While Nevada has legal prostitution, the Republicans don't bring the whole gang to the RNC convention for the national media to make an issue out of it. Even Reagan's best friend, Senator Paul Laxalt of Nevada and all the other Nevada Republicans don't highlight this issue at the national level.

 

[Maltheus]

maybe he didn't want to put his career on the line?

Exactly. And who can blame him? He was putting his neck on the line just by associating with us in the first place. We will only be effective if we can grow this movement and bring in more mainstream people. And while that doesn't mean we should ever compromise our principles, it does mean we shouldn't be focused on divisive conspiracy theories. We need to keep it simple and focus on freedom and reducing the size of government.

9/11 is becoming the new "UFOs" used to discredit us. Granted, 9/11 being an inside job at least has some good circumstantial evidence to support it (unlike UFOs), but people either believe it was an inside job, or they've been "self-inoculated" against that truth at this point and won't listen. The time to convince people it was an inside job has passed. Issues revolving around the collapsing economy will be where we make our in-roads. We need to factor out those beliefs that are common to all of us and promote those exclusively.

 

[Rangeley]

It wasn't the right place for it, it was off message and onto a divisive issue that is not being advocated by this movement - rather, there is overlap between this movement and that movement. I don't really think it was appropriate, and while I would have sat through it no problem, I can understand Tucker Carlson wanting to make it clear he had nothing to do with it.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

9/11 is becoming the new "UFOs" used to discredit us. Granted, 9/11 being an inside job at least has some good circumstantial evidence to support it (unlike UFOs), but people either believe it was an inside job, or they've been "self-inoculated" against that truth at this point and won't listen. The time to convince people it was an inside job has passed. Issues revolving around the collapsing economy will be where we make our in-roads. We need to factor out those beliefs that are common to all of us and promote those exclusively.

Which sets us up for the next false flag/inside job, and the next after that, to emotionally lure us into tolerating the next round of curtailments of our rights and liberties, and next ratcheting of inflation and taxes. Was even a momentary reference to the issue at the Rally too much for these intolerant dividers? How long is the 12,000 pound elephant in the room going to be avoided?

Seriously, a campaign that tried to educate the public about the importance of monetary policy on our economic mess is pushing a belief that is ALSO not "common to all of us," since most of the public doesn't even comprehend it. Ditto for noninterventionism as it pertains to foreign policy---WE get it, but most of the public does not, or has likewise inoculated themselves against accepting the truth. So stop singling out 9-11 as the only movement issue you want to avoid on this basis---it's the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[maqsur]

I think it's fine they invited Jesse Ventura, and Tucker Carlson.

Ron Paul is all about individual freedom, and the constitution, right? That includes the first ammendment, and so naturally a Rally for the Republic will celebrate the first ammendement, and allow people to speak their minds.

I agree with others that it's too bad Tucker could not heed his own advice, and keep an open mind about others' opinions, even when there is disagreement.

People in this country are generally too damn thin-skinned, they get offended, shocked, dismayed, blah blah, by anything somebody says.

What happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones, but WORDS will never hurt me"?? If there is one (of many) things I like about Dr. Paul, it is that he not only respects the 1st ammendment, he lives it. He tells it like it is, and doesn't get upset when others voice their beliefs.

I wish so much the MSM would have debates and commentary as free as we saw at the Rally yesterday. I wish... then maybe we could salvage what's left of this country.

 

[Rangeley]

Seriously, a campaign that tried to educate the public about the importance of monetary policy on our economic mess is pushing a belief that is ALSO not "common to all of us," since most of the public doesn't even comprehend it. Ditto for noninterventionism as it pertains to foreign policy---WE get it, but most of the public does not, or has likewise inoculated themselves against accepting the truth. So stop singling out 9-11 as the only movement issue you want to avoid on this basis---it's the pot calling the kettle black.

Except that isn't the objection. Of course this movement is about spreading ideals of liberty - ideas which unfortunately are not "common to all of us" at this point. It isn't that 9-11 Conspiracy Theories aren't "common to all of us," that makes talking about them at the Rally for the Republic inappropriate - it is the fact that this is not the 9-11 Truth Movement. Again, just because there is some overlap, doesn't mean they are the same thing.

Ron Paul is all about individual freedom, and the constitution, right? That includes the first ammendment, and so naturally a Rally for the Republic will celebrate the first ammendement, and allow people to speak their minds.

So should Rudy Giuliani have been invited, to allow him to speak his mind? The Rally for the Republic was not an open mic night, it was a rally dedicated to restoring liberty. Ventura should have stayed on that powerful message, and not drifted onto talk about another movement he is a part of.

 

[Maltheus]

Which sets us up for the next false flag/inside job, and the next after that, to emotionally lure us into tolerating the next round of curtailments of our rights and liberties, and next ratcheting of inflation and taxes. Was even a momentary reference to the issue at the Rally too much for these intolerant dividers? How long is the 12,000 pound elephant in the room going to be avoided?

Seriously, a campaign that tried to educate the public about the importance of monetary policy on our economic mess is pushing a belief that is ALSO not "common to all of us," since most of the public doesn't even comprehend it. Ditto for noninterventionism as it pertains to foreign policy---WE get it, but most of the public does not, or has likewise inoculated themselves against accepting the truth. So stop singling out 9-11 as the only movement issue you want to avoid on this basis---it's the pot calling the kettle black.

Perhaps 9/11 awareness has been responsible for delaying the next false flag attack. I myself alienated a lot of people trying to educate them on the issue. But that should be a separate movement, even if there is a lot of overlap.

Like it or not, anything that smacks of "conspiracy theory" automatically gets dismissed by a large percentage of the population. They've been conditioned that way and we'd be fighting an even steeper uphill battle to convince them of that. Monetary policy, on the other hand, doesn't have the ring of a conspiracy theory to most peoples ears. It's boring policy talk to most and they don't suspect that you merely want to believe, for the sensationalist aspects.

With 9/11, people think that if it was an inside job, someone would have blown the whistle, if for no other reason than to catch a big headline. Nobody is surprised that no one hasn't blown the whistle on the fed because it's not headline catching. And I find people can easily understand the concept that printing more money devalues their savings. They don't need convincing evidence of it, it just makes sense if you take a little time to think about it.

Winning the battle on monetary policy will yield us far greater dividends than putting the 9/11 conspirators in jail. It's easier to convince people of it and if we win that battle, there will be less motive to enact another 9/11 since there'd be less power for the taking.

 

[slacker921]

Another thing to consider regarding Ventura.. the CFL has said that it can't endorse candidates or promote individual candidates otherwise it stands to lose it's non-profit status. Ventura got up and announced he wants to be a candidate and also pointed to someone who is currently running in local races and said "vote for this guy"....

I don't think that's the primary reason Tucker left, but I would assume there were some tense moments backstage over more than his mention of 9/11.

There was also a point in his speech when he talked about a revolution being more than just words.. it was sounding an awful lot like he was promoting a physical uprising but I think he turned that into his announcement that he'd run for president if he saw enough action.

We also don't know what went on backstage before Ventura went on..

 

[Badger Paul]

I sure he hopes this grand gesture will save his career. Alas, just being at the Rally is going to taint him among the establishment. He's going to have to seek out The American Conservative if he wants a steady gig.

I thought he left because he had another committment as well. Considering what Ventura has said about 9-11 in the past asking the question why can't our Federal Government bring a war crimes indictment against Osama bib Laden is not off the wall. Now if Ventura started talking about Building No. 7...yeah I could see being worried you found yourself in Trutherville. But that's Jesse, he's not going to give a crap if you don't want it brought up. He must think Tucker's a little pipsqueak.

Oh well, there's more to life than worrying about Tucker's Carlson's feelings. Hopefully by 2012this WON'T be an issue.

 

[freelance]

Considering what Ventura has said about 9-11 in the past asking the question why can't our Federal Government bring a war crimes indictment against Osama bib Laden is not off the wall. Now if Ventura started talking about Building No. 7...

Exactly.

Were not our Founding Fathers the FATHERS OF ALL CONSPIRACIES???

 

[MikeStanart]

I can hardly blame Tuckerson if he did. I got pissed off when Ventura brought it up.

I don't care if you believe in 9/11 truth. You have the right to.

9/11 Truth is political and organizational suicide, you don't publicly endorse it.

The Ron Paul movement does not need this negative publicity tied to it.

 

[Omnis]

That's exactly what I was thinking, either it was that or the mix up about books. But I was leaning more towards Jesse and 9/11. I remember what he said about people who believed the government was behind 9/11. Made me want to wrap my hands around his neck, and squeeze.

Oh well, Screw Tucker Carleson. He and his Child will suffer for his ignorance.

Why the hell do you keep typing that? Are you threatening them or something? No wonder Glenn Beck is so afraid of the "wackos".

I thought Ventura's 9/11 tidbit was inappropriate, although some of the content-- such as asking questions-- was. The others in this thread are right when they say it's political suicide. Truth is worthless without the curiosity that the people must cultivate for themselves. Ventura's speech was good for this end, but his stupid "troofer" tangent submerged what would have been a more powerful (politically appropriate to boot) message.

 

[demolama]

Assumptions to why Tucker left is moot until we get official word as to what the reason was

 

[coffeewithchess]

Assumptions to why Tucker left is moot until we get official word as to what the reason was

According to the report, it was from Tucker's own mouth.

 

[maqsur]

So should Rudy Giuliani have been invited, to allow him to speak his mind? The Rally for the Republic was not an open mic night, it was a rally dedicated to restoring liberty. Ventura should have stayed on that powerful message, and not drifted onto talk about another movement he is a part of.

You've missed my point. Obviously, the Rally was for the purpose of liberty, not spreading authoritarian garbage. My point was that Ventura was exercising the 1st ammendment, and investigating 9-11 should be a goal of anyone interested in liberty. I feel it's the perfect example of the government f'ing up, and we need to know how and why and what of it all.

That's basically what I meant.

 

[maqsur]

Just to add to the discussion of 9-11, and other hot-button topics. The more we sweep these things under the rug, the longer it will remain "kooky" to discuss them.

I don't feel hiding these topics, or suppressing discussion, is really liberty minded. However, I can understand the argument of political expediency.

But, we need to change the whole "politically expedient" system. The same system that has provided so much government secrecy, and unfair attacks on people who want to pry open the lid, and is allowing our republic to slide into oblivion.

 

[V-rod]

At least he didn't question the official story of Pearl Harbor, the Moon landing, or how Stella got her groove back.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Just to add to the discussion of 9-11, and other hot-button topics. The more we sweep these things under the rug, the longer it will remain "kooky" to discuss them.

I don't feel hiding these topics, or suppressing discussion, is really liberty minded. However, I can understand the argument of political expediency.

But, we need to change the whole "politically expedient" system. The same system that has provided so much government secrecy, and unfair attacks on people who want to pry open the lid, and is allowing our republic to slide into oblivion.

QFT. Talk about ending the Fed was also swept under the rug for decades as 'kooky talk' that would alienate the public. Paul has also talked about the NAU plans, the IRS fraud, the neocon cabal, and other cover-ups, so I don't buy the "let's separate Paul from conspiracies" line. 9-11 is selectively and artifically being isolated from him, to the exclusion of similar issues, period. The truth movement is a large concern of the Revolution and liberty movement, whether some can tolerate it or not.