What happened to the over 22000 identified caucus voters for Paul in Nevada?

[newbitech]

You sound like a sock puppet - listen, you cannot be a Ron Paul supporter and not vote. If you don't vote you never were a Ron Paul supporter.

Naive.

 

[Mickeys]

NOPE. No one blowing smoke up your you know what. We have a problem that no one wants to address. It's called voter turn out. You see, Ron Paul has the most vibrant support base. Only problem is: They don't take the voting process serious.

Those two statements are direct contradictions of each other. If they don't even bother to vote, then they CLEARLY are not the most vibrant. Voting is the EASIEST thing to do.

I think what you mean is, Ron Paul's followers are the most likely to talk on the internet. And for some asinine reason yuou seem to think that the internert is hte only...or even the best or most intelligent, way to show support. IT isn't. Using hte internet does not make you in ANY way better pr more intelligent than those who have ACUTAL LIVES and are rarely online. I hate to tell you...but NO ONE will ever say on their deathbed "I really wish I had spent MORE time on the internet, instead of doing things like have girlfriends, and interact socially with things other than pixels on the monitor."

Becuase that isn't a life at all. It is a waste of an existence.

 

[RDM]

Those two statements are direct contradictions of each other. If they don't even bother to vote, then they CLEARLY are not the most vibrant. Voting is the EASIEST thing to do.

I think what you mean is, Ron Paul's followers are the most likely to talk on the internet. And for some asinine reason yuou seem to think that the internert is hte only...or even the best or most intelligent, way to show support. IT isn't. Using hte internet does not make you in ANY way better pr more intelligent than those who have ACUTAL LIVES and are rarely online. I hate to tell you...but NO ONE will ever say on their deathbed "I really wish I had spent MORE time on the internet, instead of doing things like have girlfriends, and interact socially with things other than pixels on the monitor."

Becuase that isn't a life at all. It is a waste of an existence.

No contradiction here. Tons of supporters go out and sign wave, attend the speeches, etc. But when it comes down to showing the "real" support and that means taking care of business as in "voting", they drop the ball.

 

[RDM]

You sound like a sock puppet - listen, you cannot be a Ron Paul supporter and not vote. If you don't vote you never were a Ron Paul supporter.

Well obviously we have our share of people who think they are "real" supporters. So I guess our strong support base is not as strong as we think.

 

[nano1895]

RP should end every one of his speeches with "and now if we want real change every one of you should register to vote and vote in this upcoming primary/caucus!"

and have campaign staff members standing at the exit handing out caucus/primary literature/pamphlets

 

[moonshine5757]

this blew up in their face, they shouldn't brag about numbers when 16k didn't even bother to show up.

 

[Edward]

this blew up in their face, they shouldn't brag about numbers when 16k didn't even bother to show up.

I'm still looking for the source of this mythical "22,000" figure. Anyone?

 

[RDM]

I'm still looking for the source of this mythical "22,000" figure. Anyone?

There's still a few looking for it:

 

[lnieves]

I'm still looking for the source of this mythical "22,000" figure. Anyone?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/ron-pauls-last-stand/252567/

"We have more IDs than Romney had votes in '08," said Paul's state chairman, Carl Bunce, meaning identified supporters who have committed to attend Saturday's caucuses across the state. He wouldn't give a precise number, but Romney's 2008 vote total in his big Nevada win was 22,649.

 

[moonshine5757]

embarassing to say the least

 

[Edward]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/ron-pauls-last-stand/252567/

Thanks for the link. I would love to see his comments in full context, but I suspect he was either mistaken or talking out his rear end.

 

[Highstreet]

I have no idea how the campaign was identifying voters here in Maine for our caucuses. A RP2012 representative was present at our caucus yesterday and had a list of people they had allegedly identified as candidates for the State Convention that were RP supporters. There were 4 names on the list from our small town. Two of the names were me and my wife. The other two were people that I know but were not present at the caucus. So I called each of these other two to see if they indeed were interested in being delegates to the State convention. Each of them declined politely and asked something to the effect of "why do you think I support Ron Paul?" Both claimed to be on the campaign's mailing list but had never had any direct contact with the campaign.

This is interesting...how out of date are these lists?

 

[newbitech]

Thanks for the link. I would love to see his comments in full context, but I suspect he was either mistaken or talking out his rear end.

with all the calling going on, I wouldn't be surprised if people were contacted and counted more than once in that database. Or more than likely, the database count had some problems with dupes and had improper validation and or normalization.

Also, there is/was plenty of hyping up of support, and probably lots of people who committed didn't show up, including the infamous youth vote. Some combination of all these is the only way to over estimate by multiples.

 

[gerryb]

This is interesting...how out of date are these lists?

It's not that the list is old -- it's that these folks gave bad info to the campaign.

It is just like when the Romney or Gingrich campaign calls you up because you signed up as a volunteer on their website in order to get their campaign e-mails and mailers.

You all did sign up on their websites, right?

 

[KingNothing]

RP should end every one of his speeches with "and now if we want real change every one of you should register to vote and vote in this upcoming primary/caucus!"

and have campaign staff members standing at the exit handing out caucus/primary literature/pamphlets

Do they have voter registration tables at the events?

 

[lordindra3]

I think these were pre Iowa caucus numbers when people were starting to believe the media constant pushing that Ron Paul was unelectable, was simply not true. My dad had like 30 GOP voting friends at work who were going to jump on the bandwagon until the Iowa vote for Paul was robbed from him where these soft bandwagon supporters had a reason to believe the media was right all along. Im sorry to be negative, but its hard not to be bitter. I admit, this Nevada 3rd place was devastating for me too... I maybe a sour puss right now, but I will never give up this fight. We have a chance at true prosperity and greatness again and the corrupt establishment dynasty is winning these early battles. The good news is that during the Revolutionary War, the Americans lost almost all the battles against Britain except 2 major key battles which turned the tide and caused us to win in the end and Im hoping the same thing happens this time!

 

[floridasun1983]

I have no idea how the campaign was identifying voters here in Maine for our caucuses. A RP2012 representative was present at our caucus yesterday and had a list of people they had allegedly identified as candidates for the State Convention that were RP supporters. There were 4 names on the list from our small town. Two of the names were me and my wife. The other two were people that I know but were not present at the caucus. So I called each of these other two to see if they indeed were interested in being delegates to the State convention. Each of them declined politely and asked something to the effect of "why do you think I support Ron Paul?" Both claimed to be on the campaign's mailing list but had never had any direct contact with the campaign.

This could explain a lot. If this is true everywhere, it could explain what is going on; the campaign is working off of very flawed data.

 

[Lucille]

NOPE. No one blowing smoke up your you know what. We have a problem that no one wants to address. It's called voter turn out. You see, Ron Paul has the most vibrant support base. Only problem is: They don't take the voting process serious. Translation: THEY DON'T VOTE!!!...

"Federal policy is dividing society between those who work for a living and those who vote for a living."
--H. L. Mencken

The oldsters vote for a living.

But you can't look at those numbers without realizing the Republican Party is relying on a group of voters who have an annoying tendency to die off in big numbers between presidential elections.

Romney's appeal to them is based one ... let me think of the proper technical term ... oh yeah: lies.

In his acceptance speech Saturday night, Romney once again pledged to balance the budget while also building an even bigger military, though ours is already by far the most powerful the planet has ever seen.

That means he's going to have to make big cuts in Medicare and Social Security. The money has to come from somewhere, and if you don't cut the military and don't raise taxes, then you need to make huge cuts in entitlement spending if you wish to balance the budget.

The greedy geezers don't care. They know Romney's lying. They figure he'll keep the gravy train on track for the next four or eight years. And they're certainly right. Romney will borrow boatloads of money from the Chinese and send the bill to the kids.

 

[parocks]

NOPE. No one blowing smoke up your you know what. We have a problem that no one wants to address. It's called voter turn out. You see, Ron Paul has the most vibrant support base. Only problem is: They don't take the voting process serious. Translation: THEY DON'T VOTE!!!

There are tons of threads trying to address this issue, but it's being ignored. Why? Because the guilty ones are on this forum and they're ashamed of themselves.

You're posting a different version of the same thread a few times. Your point is right.

GOTV is the kind of thing that large groups of less politically savvy and less rich supporters / volunteers should work on. That's us.

But we think we're politicial experts who can tell the Ron Paul campaign to change their message.

 

[parocks]

RP should end every one of his speeches with "and now if we want real change every one of you should register to vote and vote in this upcoming primary/caucus!"

and have campaign staff members standing at the exit handing out caucus/primary literature/pamphlets

I was at a rally in Freeport, ME where there were 1,000 people. There were campaign volunteers circulating through the crowd, gathering people's data.

So, they're on top of it to a good degree.

They could refuse admittance for everyone who doesn't fill out the form?

What we should be doing, GOTV wise, is any type of event that would draw 18-29 year olds. Free Beer. Anything else like that. Exciting events close to the precinct location and time. Events that will draw 18-29 year old men, and we can move them from the event to the caucus or precinct.

That, right there, is what grassroots should be doing. People can help the official campaign. People can help the grassroots. Typical campaign stuff is done by the official campaign. Grassroots focuses on the one thing that no one is doing, which is aggressive targeting of our base 18-29, and making sure they turn out.