What Haiti Needs

[prophet]

Amazing… Bomb them, plunder them, displace them, torture them, enslave them, poison them and then accuse them of being uncivilized… quite a sick bunch of characters we've got here.

You ought to stop abusing folks that way. I don't understand why anyone would want to bomb, plunder, displace torture and enslave people.

You take my generation of white Americans, for example. We had a backward group among us back in the '60s, and we did something about it. We gave two generations of them preference over ourselves in employment and education and gave them money, housing, food and medical care. In return, we got Detroit.

 

[Bman]

Bold yes but spoken like a true Austrian economist. Full faith in human creativity.

Yeah. but talk about setting the bar high.

 

[Oyate]

So much for Hobbes BS right?

LOL! I hold validity in Hobbes but it seemed obvious to me the guy was a paranoiac. However Locke comes across as such a libertine as to retroactively INSURE Hobbes' paranoia.

 

[Oyate]

You ought to stop abusing folks that way. I don't understand why anyone would want to bomb, plunder, displace torture and enslave people.

You take my generation of white Americans, for example. We had a backward group among us back in the '60s, and we did something about it. We gave two generations of them preference over ourselves in employment and education and gave them money, housing, food and medical care. In return, we got Detroit.

Don't think we don't notice you twisting people's words. OP was referring to you and yours and you know it.

 

[prophet]

While it isn't the most pleasant place to live, it is much better today Stateless than it was under a State. So much for Hobbes BS right?

As to Prophet, I have no more words to such a racist as yourself.

In a country where a woman who belongs to an organization called "La Raza"(The RACE), and who, as a student was a member of a group whose slogan is "Inside the RACE, everything, outside the RACE, nothing," can be appointed to the Supreme Court, i guess it's OK to be called a "Racist." I will note that it only happens when a liberal is faced with facts.

As for Hobbes, I can assure you that there are many places, inhabited by certain racial groups, where life is indeed, "Lonely, nasty, brutish and short."

BTW, I live near a city of a almost a quarter of a million people, where the last remaining book store closed last week. According to the Census Bureau, 94.1% of that population is eligible for membership in La Raza. A quarter of a million of them, and not ONE book store. Culture.

 

[Oyate]

OK so this is the cognitive attack for us? Inject racism all over the place and seek to divide us? Attempt to further portray the movement as racist in the media?

Yer not gonna win. We're too diverse to internalize your message. But it is singularly heartless of you to exploit the suffering of so many people to advance your agenda.

 

[Oyate]

certain racial groups

You are coming through loud and clear. You and your little cohort. I denounce you as a racist.

 

[prophet]

Don't think we don't notice you twisting people's words. OP was referring to you and yours and you know it.

I don't know why you people insist on judging me by membership in some supposed group. I assure you that I have never bombed, plundered, enslaved or otherwise abused anyone, and I have a natural right to be judged as an individual.

 

[prophet]

You are coming through loud and clear. You and your little cohort. I denounce you as a racist.

You should've met my Grandpappy!
Of course he was NOT a racist, since he lived and died before the communist, Trotsky, invented the term "Racist" in the 1930's, as a useful tool for "Denouncing" the enemies of Marxism.

 

[Oyate]

Anyone who's read Hobbes in historical context knows he published in an England that was 100% European. Wasn't anybody there but Europeans. Brittons were dimly aware Africa existed.

So the perils of ungoverned society that Hobbes wrote about were 100% European inspired. His thesis, in essence, was that without restraint, his own countrymen were little more than "savages".

 

[prophet]

You are coming through loud and clear. You and your little cohort. I denounce you as a racist.

I live in a state where 37% of the people(probably over half, counting the illegals), belong to or support an organization called "La Raza"(The RACE), and you criticize me for referring to them in the same manner??Huh??? BTW, I was at the Ron Paul barbecue a few months ago, and I noted the near complete absence of the "La Raza" folks.

 

[Oyate]

Anyways, to return to the topic, if you examine the history of Haiti, we find that they only approached any kind of self determination between 1804 when rebel republican forces declared independence in the French part of the island to 1825 when the French imposed reparations with the support of the USA and other European interests. About 20 years give or take a year or so. Ever since then they've been getting bashed over the head by external interests.

History. It's so handy for understanding like.....stuff, you know?

 

[Electric Church]

There’s only one intent here with all these racists threads and it’s orchestrated from the top down: to condition RP supporters to tolerate racism and especially racists.

I mean why even correspond with them? Talk to those who are not bigots about the bigots but don’t dignify bigots with correspondence.

Let the racists correspond among themselves at the pleasure of those who allow it. Be aware of those who will play off of each other: one will play the part of a racist and the other a non racist and they’ll get into a phony debate to drag others in thus giving the racist a seat at the table of civility. Racists don’t belong at any table with civilized human beings.

 

[prophet]

Anyways, to return to the topic, if you examine the history of Haiti, we find that they only approached any kind of self determination between 1804 when rebel republican forces declared independence in the French part of the island to 1825 when the French imposed reparations with the support of the USA and other European interests. About 20 years give or take a year or so. Ever since then they've been getting bashed over the head by external interests.

History. It's so handy for understanding like.....stuff, you know?

I was in Haiti in 1961. The photos I see today are not materially different from what I saw. If "External forces" are bashing them over the head, they ought to stop.

I don't understand why anyone would be interested in "Plundering" there during the last half century, because I can assure you there was nothing there worth stealing in 1961.

I have done my part, personally. I had a cousin who went down there about 15 years ago, as one of the 20 or 30 thousand American "Missionaries" who are there, and I did my best to talk him out of it. He went anyway.

Now he is an atheist.

 

[prophet]

There’s only one intent here with all these racists threads and it’s orchestrated from the top down: to condition RP supporters to tolerate racism and especially racists.

I mean why even correspond with them? Talk to those who are not bigots about the bigots but don’t dignify bigots with correspondence.

Let the racists correspond among themselves at the pleasure of those who allow it. Be aware of those who will play off of each other: one will play the part of a racist and the other a non racist and they’ll get into a phony debate to drag others in thus giving the racist a seat at the table of civility. Racists don’t belong at any table with civilized human beings.

I honestly don't think you have any idea what the word means. It is quite obvious that you use it as it was meant to be used by its inventor, Trotsky---to attack political opponents when you are short on facts.

I will try to help you by giving you an example of a REAL racist. "We have an aging white America ... They are dying ...We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."----Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas, and founder of "La Raza."

 

[Oyate]

There’s only one intent here with all these racists threads and it’s orchestrated from the top down: to condition RP supporters to tolerate racism and especially racists.

I mean why even correspond with them? Talk to those who are not bigots about the bigots but don’t dignify bigots with correspondence.

Let the racists correspond among themselves at the pleasure of those who allow it. Be aware of those who will play off of each other: one will play the part of a racist and the other a non racist and they’ll get into a phony debate to drag others in thus giving the racist a seat at the table of civility. Racists don’t belong at any table with civilized human beings.

You make a good point. It's one that's been made many times. The whole thing, right down to the implied attitudes, are exactly the same as it was under the Bush II Pentabloggers. And later the AIPAC bloggers. You are certainly hip to their techniques. Glad you showed up. Maybe we should trade some notes in PM. After all, if we're correct, they are drawing up attack lists on us right now.

 

[Mini-Me]

You are asked: "ever watch the 100 and 200 meter races in the Olympics? See any white boys in em at all?" You reply:

Then I look at this--- 2008 Olympic men's 100 meters
August 16, 2008
1. Usain Bolt, JAM, 9.69
2. Richard Thompson, TRI, 9.89
3. Walter Dix, USA, 9.91
4. Churandy Martina, AHO, 9.93
5. Asafa Powell, JAM, 9.95
6. Michael Frater, JAM, 9.97
7. Marc Burns, TRI, 10.01
8. Darvis Patton, USA, 10.03

and I conclude: Ol' Mini-Me is right. They're all from the same culture, and represent several different races. Why did it take me so lng to see such a simple truth?

PS: Kenya has NEVER had a sprinter in the finals of the 100 meters.

Sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrry, I got the race wrong. In that case, how about viewing the OTHER half of the same post you're criticizing?

Anyway, wtf are you, some kind of Stormfront sleeper cell? You've been registered since 2007, never really posted much, and now you're here a couple days before MLK day spamming inflammatory stuff about race? Dunedain may be a bit of a one-issue poster, and I may strongly disagree with him and think his racial views are likely to get us all smeared, but I can at least respect the fact that he doesn't come off as malicious. You, on the other hand, I cannot say the same about.

 

[Oyate]

They...brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks' bells. They willingly traded everything they owned...They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance...They would make fine servants...With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want....As soon as I arrived in the Indies, on the first Island which I found, I took some of the natives by force in order that they might learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these parts.

-C. Columbus, 1492

 

[prophet]

Sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrry, I got the race wrong. In that case, how about viewing the OTHER half of the same post you're criticizing?

Anyway, wtf are you, some kind of Stormfront sleeper cell? You've been registered since 2007, never really posted much, and now you're here a couple days before MLK day spamming inflammatory stuff about race? Dunedain may be a bit of a one-issue poster, and I may strongly disagree with him and think his racial views are likely to get us all smeared, but I can at least respect the fact that he doesn't come off as malicious. You, on the other hand, I cannot say the same about.

I'm not malicious. Jose Angel Gutierrez is malicious.

I am what I am. I have posted these last few days, because it finally became just too much. watching a group of people, most of whom are honest libertarians, try to wriggle out of the inescapable conclusion that liberty is a European concept, which hs never been compatible with any other people, and never will be. these honest libertarians are also infiltrated by a group of people whose politics are indistinguishable from that of the liberal wing of the Democrat Party.

You are living in a country where a combination of government and "Peer pressure" has made you some the most un-free people in the world, and you don't even know it. You are scared to death to talk realistically about what is going on in your country, fearing an epithet. Then, when faced with facts, you hurl the epithet yourself, being devoid of countering facts.

Contrast the behavior of PC Americans with that of FREE Israelis: Ynet news, an Israeli site has an article on Haiti. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3834878,00.html

the first response to the article is worth a read. It says: "1. Giving money to a failed state is like

pissing money down the toilet.

Stop playing the game you want to save the world.

Yesterday a one year old Jewish child suffered a severe injury in Israel thanks to those you love to have pity on.(Arab terrorists)

Charity begins at home.

Stop playing the save the world" putz and start looking after your own.

As far as those dumb wade Israelis looking for adventure in the shit holes of the world..tell them in no uncertain words they are on their own.

You owe them nothing...Look after your own."
Al (01.15.10)

If a "Free" American posted the same thing here, he would be in a heap of trouble.

 

[prophet]

Sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrry, I got the race wrong. In that case, how about viewing the OTHER half of the same post you're criticizing?

Anyway, wtf are you, some kind of Stormfront sleeper cell? You've been registered since 2007, never really posted much, and now you're here a couple days before MLK day spamming inflammatory stuff about race? Dunedain may be a bit of a one-issue poster, and I may strongly disagree with him and think his racial views are likely to get us all smeared, but I can at least respect the fact that he doesn't come off as malicious. You, on the other hand, I cannot say the same about.

Employing personal smears, rather than refuting someone's facts or reasoning from said facts, is a tactic of the LEFT. I have been exposed to them for half a century. They never change. They can't change, because they are devoid of supporting facts for their positions.