What does this mean for the Constitution Party?

[BuddyRey]

Oh yeah, I can totally see a former U.N. Ambassador and devoted theocratic authoritarian helping to dismantle one world government and the New World Order.

Good luck, AIP. You'll need it.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Well now the CP will be distracted trying to do damage control. This is a shame..really a shame. TONES

 

[Bison]

The quote below is from the CP's Gary Odom on Third Party Watch

AS USUAL, ED NOONAN HAS GOT IT ALL WRONG!

1. Ed Noonan is no longer the state Chairman of the American Independent Party. The new chairman of the California state central committee is Jim King of Los Angeles. He was elected at the State Central Committee yesterday in Los Angeles which followed the state convention, which was held Saturday at the same location.

2. Of course, we acknowledged Noonan as the State chairman (the biggest mistake our party made in its 40 year history)—he is so insecure. His name and contact info was posted on the CP contact during the period of his term. Unfortunately, the fact that he was elected chairman in September became a two year nightmare for the AIP.

3. In the fall of 2006 while Noonan was running for Governor, Jim Gilchrist, at the time an AIP member (who has always had and independent streak and has shown himself to be a bit of a loose cannon) endorsed a candidate from another party for Governor. [Not something that was really very smart because that SAME DAY that he had called Bill Shearer soliciting his aid to run for the Constitution Party Presidential nomination] Anyway, Noonan went ballistic (and this may be when he really became unhinged) and called Gilchrist and was very abusive and as a result Gilchrist—the AIP’s most prominant public figure left the party. Even Noonan’s crony Mark Seidenberg, has admitted that to me.

4. Noonan’s first attempt at communication with the AIP membership was a proposed letter that he sent to Nancy Shearer with a request that it be sent out. The letter included a naked picture of Arnold Schwarzenegger and was addressed to “Dear residents of Sodom and Gomorrah”. He then proceeded to tear into the party memberhship for not working harder for his dismal Governor’s campaign. Needless to say, that letter never saw the light of day—but was preserved as evidence.

5. Noonan next—over everyone’s objection—appointed a person who was under investigation for hate crimes by the San Diego District Attorney’s office and who had clearly lied to the court about having AIP information on his computer (as a purported reason to get his computers back—which had been taken). The man had never been actively involved in the AIP before and his “group of supporters” were biker club.

6. Next Noonan got talked into supporting somebody’s hare-brained scheme to divide California into “Old California” (counties that had voted Democrat) and “New California” (counties that voted Republican). There was not even contiguous geographic boundaries to these proposed new states. (I don’t really think I need to go further to explain the ridiculous and embarrassing nature of this proposal) I sent Ed a personal and private email describing this proposal as a “non-starter” and urging him to abandon this idea. (Certainly, I acknowledged him as Chairman there) Noonan’s response was to attack me on his “Yahoo chat room.” As far as I know California is still just one state so I don’t think his crusade on that issue went very far.

7. By the way, Noonan ran the party activities strictly through his yahoo chat room—one of the silliest and most counter productive ideas I have encountered in 37 years in politics.

8. Noonan—our state chairman—-was quoted in a major California newspaper saying that our registration base—the foundation of our ballot qualification—was a mistake in 99% of the cases. Even if that were true (and it is not) it surely is not something that the state chairman ought to be telling the media.

9. In the summer of ‘07 his great idea for fundraising was to invite Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Barack Obama and the rest of the major (and minor) party candidates to participate in a debate along with AIP/CP candidates in an AIP sponsored meeting in Sacramento. He actually sent invitations to the other party’s state chairmen! Need I say more?

10. After I came to California last year (my home state and the state where I was registered to vote at the time) and met with AIP leaders about what to do about Noonan’s antics—he circulated a proposed motion which he claimed he was going to bring at the Council Bluff’s National Committee meeting to “ban” me from the Constitution Party for 20 years! Well, I showed in Council Bluffs and he didn’t. Not much courage for a gentleman who had accused me of “hiding behind” Nancy Shearer’s skirt.

11. More recently his great crusade on his chat rooms was another crack-pot scheme to organize what could only be called a “posse” to go and effect a citizen’s arrest on the Mayor of San Francisco.

(THIS IS A VERY PARTIAL LIST ON OUR EX- STATE CHAIRMAN’S NONSENSE)

Ed Noonan has done nothing but bring scorn and ridicule on the American Independent Party—the party to which I have served since 1971.

Everybody makes mistakes—Lord knows I have (and some have been documented here) and those mistakes made me a much more humble person—but in Noonan’s case it is a matter of stupidity compounded by arrogance compounded by a nasty sneering attidtude compounded by rude behavior.

Yes, we WAS our State Chairman and possibly the greatest embarrassment the party has suffered in 40 years.

The so-called “facts” he has listed in his two parts are,as usual,filled with mistakes and an astonishing lack of understanding of the election laws and procedures in California.

There has been NO disaffiliation by the California AIP from the Constitution Party. On the contrary, there was just this weekend a state convention and state central committee legitimately called pursuant to the bylaws of the party, with 30 days notice and attended by leaders of the party from all over the state. This will become readily apparent to all.

[The purported “meeting” by which the disaffiliation was supposed to have taken place was an online “meeting” to which the members of the prior State Central Committee ( =of which it was purported to have been a meeting) received no notice. Ed Noonan, Mark Seidenberg and Markam Robinson are making a laughable attempt to hijack the AIP—though at the moment is a bit of a pain in the neck from a PR point of view]

The California American Independent Party enthusiastically reaffiliated with the Constitution Party and nominated Chuck Baldwin as the AIP nominee in California.

The above quote is from Gary Odom on Third Party Watch
http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/06/...ith-constitution-party-part-1/#comment-671401

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[JosephTheLibertarian]

These people are obviously totally insane.

Yeah, CP members are insane. I agree.

 

[familydog]

I don't know, I still beg to differ.

I think the people who voted for Ruwart would prefer to see her, but most of them are rational enough to still get behind their party. This is what I even saw at the convention, such as with Steve Kubby. Libertarians are never fully content, but they do get behind their party.

So party loyalty is rational now?

I love elections. We get to see who is and who isn't the party hacks and so much hypocrisy comes to light.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

Yeah, CP members are insane. I agree.

 

[V4Vendetta]

Alan Keyes is a NeoCon, if they break away, its because they are CIA plants trying to destroy the party.

The Constitution Party has never supported the Iraq war.
Alan Keyes wants to stay there for a long time, even though its a unconstitutional War.

The Libertarian Party has been infiltrated too, its obvious by their selection of Bob Barr!

 

[VaderM5]

Wow...this makes it even tougher for the CP. The LP is also split...between the "purist" libertarians and the right leaning libertarians. How many libertarians right here on this thread are grudge voting for Baldwin because they are mad at the LP for selecting Barr over Ruwart? Ruwart is instigating it from what I can gather. sheesh...nobody will gain any traction over the corrupt major parties with all this infighting. TONES

Everyone wants a candidate or party that they agree with 100% and then some people wonder why we only have 2 major parties.

 

[anaconda]

There is no way a radical Libertarian would ever vote for Baldwin, even if they were sporting a grudge against Barr. The one thing about radicals is that they're very solid in their rigid precept of the LP, and would not sacrifice their values even out of spite. That's the reason that makes them radicals in the first place.

I think the people who voted for Ruwart would prefer to see her, but most of them are rational enough to still get behind their party. This is what I even saw at the convention, such as with Steve Kubby. Libertarians are never fully content, but they do get behind their party.

Caulfied, can you please clarify for me...are you implying that the "radical" libertarians would, or would not, vote for Barr? And, do you feel that Ruwart was acceptable to the "radical" libertarians?

It seems that it would be a smart move for a "radical" libertarian to vote for Barr since his platform is lights years from the mainstream false two party hybrid fascist/communist police state platform of the Republicans and Democrats. More votes for the Barr platform moves the debate much closer to the extreme libertarian anarchist debate that they wish to have.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I'm not a big CP guy, but Keyes is the scum of the Earth. He's a neo-con too nutty for even the other neo-cons, and too arrogant and outrageous to ever win any office. He lost by the worst landslide the GOP ever experienced in Illinois when he ran against inexperienced Obama for Senate. If you look at who Keyes studied under and what he's said in the past, it becomes rapidly apparent that he's complete and utter political filth.

 

[Knightskye]

Perhaps..but the fact is the LP is split..TONES

It's not split physically, though. Just ideologically.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Well lets think about party loyalty. If the candidates and the party are following the party platform, would it still be bad to vote party line? It seems to me that the republican party has drifted away from their platform/principles...that's a reason not to vote party line as far as I'm concerned. I don't find it hypocritical to vote party line if the party is doing right. McCain has proven for years to be a liberal..now, Bob Barr , on the other hand, was doing what was expected as a republican considering the way the party was moving...he saw the error of his ways. as I understand from listening to him, he was becoming disenchanted with the GOP while he was still there. He said the GOP has turned into a party that is only concerned about campaigns and re election. He was gerrymandered out of his district...so he didn't win. He decided not to participate anymore . I understand looking at voting records...but, if the person has worked to strike down the legislation that they later considered was the wrong thing to do ...well, it seems that they could be given the benefit of the doubt. I guess since I was a republican for 30 years and recently became a libertarian, I have infiltrated the LP as well. TONES

 

[Kalifornia]

this argument is futile.

Not any of these parties has an ice cubes chance in hell of doing ANYTHING until they can all manage to find a platform to get behind.

Criticize the big parties all you want, but they can actually win an election.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

As long as people cling to the two party system there will be a two party system. TONES

 

[NewFederalist]

this argument is futile.

Not any of these parties has an ice cubes chance in hell of doing ANYTHING until they can all manage to find a platform to get behind.

Criticize the big parties all you want, but they can actually win an election.

Which has little or nothing to do with their platforms.