What does this mean for the Constitution Party?

Caulfield

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According to Third Party Watch, the American Independent has broken away with the Constitution Party, and will be supporting Alan Keyes for president in 2008.

Edward C. Noonan said:
#1. The American Independent Party will disaffiliate with the Constitution Party. Howard Phillips, and Chuck Baldwin (2008 CP Presidential Candidate) has sided with the Bogus Party mutineers and have supported Gary Odom and Nancy Spirkoff who do not live in California but have attempted to control me who is the State Chairman and make me a puppet to their will.

#2. The American Independent Party will support and campaign for Alan Keyes who is running for President of the United States. The four of us have decided that Alan Keyes has the best chance of getting into office and stopping the North American Union and the open border policies that the US exists under. And stopping the cut-throat, oppressive taxes and national debt that our Central Bank called the Federal Reserve System. This Central Bank has helped the US get into 9.2 trillion dollars in debt, and has bankrupted our economy. Foreclosures are high, our money is worthless, and we have become tax slaves.

#3. We believe it is time to affiliate with a new party. One that has a will to win. In ten years, the Constitution Party has NEVER had a candidate elected… in any state, any county… anywhere. We have decided that Alan Keyes’ new party called America’s Independent Party may be the best chance we have of giving resistance to the never-ending advance of socialism and communism within our borders. We need a strong Party that will work FOR US and not AGAINST US to stop the NEW WORLD ORDER and the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

The AIP is the Constitution Party's claim to fame, and gave the CP the ability to call themselves the largest third party. With the AIP gone, the CP loses all of the AIP registrations (which is a controversy in and of itself).

The question is, what does this do to the CP as a third party, mainly in marketing and also the larger point, will Baldwin be on enough states to secure the ability to receive 270 electoral votes. In 2004, the party only received 143,000 votes (26,645 from CA), and was on the ballot in 36 states.

Can the CP make 270 votes without CA?
 
This rumor has been around for a while. I wouldn't put too much credence into anything coming out of TPW; it's hardly unbiased these days.
 
This rumor has been around for a while. I wouldn't put too much credence into anything coming out of TPW; it's hardly unbiased these days.

I thought it was just a rumor too, but this seems legit:

STATEMENT TO THE PRESS

From the Desk of
Edward C. Noonan – State Committee Chairman
1561 N. Beale Rd
Marysville, CA 95901

My name is Edward C. Noonan; I am the current State Party Chairman of the American Independent Party. I am announcing today that the American Independent Party has had only four American Independent Party voters elected by their respective counties to the office their County Central Committee for the American Independent Party.

Thus, we only have four people in the entire State of California qualified to act in the party’s name.

I feel it sad that the 40 to 80 people that were active in the party during the last two years either refused to run for state office, or run for their county central committee. I begged, and I pleaded for AIPers everywhere to run for State Office – there were 153 state positions open. The requirement was to either get 150 signatures or pay $3500. I also needed 1,450+ individuals (who were AIP voters) to run for their county central committee. But only 3 ran (and won) for county central committee, and 1 ran for Congress.

According to the state elections code, after the Primary this month, all former offices, terms and positions held by these former 40 to 80 members have ended. (It is limited to a two year term.)

What I am stating, is that the Primary is over… we have only one officer of the seven State Party Officers that ran for election in their County… that was me! Our Secretary, our Treasurer, and others did not run, and did not get elected. Hence, their appointed term is over because they failed to be elected by the voters of their county. They weren’t willing to go out and get 25 signatures to get elected!

In addition, most of our National Committee is dissolved. Only three of the 12 actually were elected by their county voters (Gerry Hill, and Grace Hill and I.)

We only had one person elected in the primary as a Congressional nominee. And that is Robert Lautenberg of Orange County. This makes him the ex-officio member of his central committee.

As some of you know, I have some APPOINTED DELEGATES who were appointed by the former State Chair are trying to run this party. However, they failed to achieve current official status by being elected by their county to the office of county central committee. None of them have been sworn in by their county clerk. What right do they as possible future appointees have to have more power over me…I have been elected and have complied with the elections code and they have not! The words “ELECTIONS CODE” means everyone that it refers to MUST BE ELECTED!

Therefore as of this June’s Primary, they have no official standing in our party.

They are attempting to take over the party…they are having a bogus STATE CONVENTION MEETING in Los Angeles and they are violating the Elections Code. Nowhere can they prove they have legal standing. Since they failed to be elected by the voters of their county, they have no say whatsoever in the running of the American Independent Party. If they want a say, they have to wait two years and be elected to take over the party properly.

I have conferred with the three other ELECTED State Committee members…and all three have sided with me on three issues.

#1. The American Independent Party will disaffiliate with the Constitution Party. Howard Phillips, and Chuck Baldwin (2008 CP Presidential Candidate) has sided with the Bogus Party mutineers and have supported Gary Odom and Nancy Spirkoff who do not live in California but have attempted to control me who is the State Chairman and make me a puppet to their will.

#2. The American Independent Party will support and campaign for Alan Keyes who is running for President of the United States. The four of us have decided that Alan Keyes has the best chance of getting into office and stopping the North American Union and the open border policies that the US exists under. And stopping the cut-throat, oppressive taxes and national debt that our Central Bank called the Federal Reserve System. This Central Bank has helped the US get into 9.2 trillion dollars in debt, and has bankrupted our economy. Foreclosures are high, our money is worthless, and we have become tax slaves.

#3. We believe it is time to affiliate with a new party. One that has a will to win. In ten years, the Constitution Party has NEVER had a candidate elected… in any state, any county… anywhere. We have decided that Alan Keyes’ new party called America’s Independent Party may be the best chance we have of giving resistance to the never-ending advance of socialism and communism within our borders. We need a strong Party that will work FOR US and not AGAINST US to stop the NEW WORLD ORDER and the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

The Constitution Party has consistently backed Nancy Spirkoff, the daughter of one of the founders of the American Independent Party. When this founder, Bill Shearer, died, Nancy thought she inherited the American Independent Party. This is not true. The American Independent Party cannot be inherited. She was the former State Party Chairman before, but state law requires that she can only hold one term as State Chair and then she is termed out.

The Constitution Party supported Nancy Spirkoff and her friend Gary Odom (Field Director of the Constitution Party) and never once has acknowledged my position as State Party Chair.

Neither Nancy Spirkoff nor Gary Odom have any official standing in the American Independent Party, both have moved out of the State of California but both are attempting to use Nancy’s sister, Ann Thomas (formerly the Secretary of the Party) (questionable status as a qualified member of the State Committee) and are interfering with the running of the American Independent Party.

As State Chairman of the American Independent Party, I say this must stop! It ends here today.

There are only four that have any legal standing in the party. I have appointed no-one from neither Los Angeles, nor San Diego mutineering group at this time and date. They have no standing, nor legal merit.

The time to run and campaign for the American Independent Party was over at the June Primary. They had their chance and now the running for office is over… no bogus claim to office will be accepted. The current American Independent Party is a joke and we need to re-chart our course and rebuild our organization with people that are willing to be elected to office…from county level on up.

Signed

(s) Edward C. Noonan
State Party Chairman – American Independent Party
 
Wow...this makes it even tougher for the CP. The LP is also split...between the "purist" libertarians and the right leaning libertarians. How many libertarians right here on this thread are grudge voting for Baldwin because they are mad at the LP for selecting Barr over Ruwart? Ruwart is instigating it from what I can gather. sheesh...nobody will gain any traction over the corrupt major parties with all this infighting. TONES
 
Wow...this makes it even tougher for the CP. The LP is also split...between the "purist" libertarians and the right leaning libertarians. How many libertarians right here on this thread are grudge voting for Baldwin because they are mad at the LP for selecting Barr over Ruwart? Ruwart is instigating it from what I can gather. sheesh...nobody will gain any traction over the corrupt major parties with all this infighting. TONES

There is no way a radical Libertarian would ever vote for Baldwin, even if they were sporting a grudge against Barr. The one thing about radicals is that they're very solid in their rigid precept of the LP, and would not sacrifice their values even out of spite. That's the reason that makes them radicals in the first place.
 
Perhaps..but the fact is the LP is split..TONES

I don't know, I still beg to differ.

I think the people who voted for Ruwart would prefer to see her, but most of them are rational enough to still get behind their party. This is what I even saw at the convention, such as with Steve Kubby. Libertarians are never fully content, but they do get behind their party.
 
Caulfield;1541294} The question is said:
If this stands, it is a very big setback for the Baldwin/Castle campaign. Not that it matters but even without CA (and about 10 or 12 other states where ballot status is in doubt) the magic EC number of 270 is not really out of reach. It just looks bad on a US map to not have ballot status in Texas and California as well as Arizona, Oklahoma and North Carolina. While not yet too late it isn't looking very promising in Illinois, Indiana, New York, Maryland and Massachusetts.
 
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If this stands, it is a very big setback for the Balwin/Castle campaign. Not that it matters but even without CA (and about 10 or 12 other states where ballot status is in doubt) the magic EC number of 270 is not really out of reach. It just looks bad on a US map to not have ballot status in Texas and California as well as Arizona, Oklahoma and North Carolina. While not yet too late it isn't looking very promising in Illinois, Indiana, New York, Maryland and Massachusetts.

Do we know the 18 states where the CP wasn't on the ballot in '04? I know Oklahoma, but that's about it.
 
Caul...i hope you are right ...i hope the LP sticks together, after all, Bob Barr probably wont' win, but he can sure advance a third party up the ladder. It takes time and especially because the two majors have the minors blocked...but we can't give up..EVER ! TONES
 
Caul...i hope you are right ...i hope the LP sticks together, after all, Bob Barr probably wont' win, but he can sure advance a third party up the ladder. It takes time and especially because the two majors have the minors blocked...but we can't give up..EVER ! TONES

Interesting analogy. The Negro Leagues didn't give up, and while none of them made it into the majors (beat them at exhibition games from time to time, but that didn't get any of them into the World Series) eventually their superstars did.

No wonder Dr. Paul wants us to infiltrate the G.O.P. Even so, I still think it's important to keep pushing it from the outside also. Would a handful of soldiers in a wooden equine at Troy have won the day if the city wasn't already under siege?
 
In 2004 the CP ticket did not appear in Arizona, DC, Hawaii, Indiana, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Oklahoma and Vermont. No write ins were tallied in any of those. The ticket did not appear in Georgia, Illinois, New Hampshire, New York, Texas, West Virginia and Wisconsin but write in votes were tallied.
 
Well..I am not opposed to the Ron Paul REpublicans working within the GOP..we have to hit the "enemy" from all sides. I wish Chuck Baldwin would run for congress..we need him in congress more than running for president. TONES
 
Since when is Keyes openly opposed to the fed, NAU, and NWO? He never mentioned any of these topics during the republican debates.
 
Alan Keyes is a big government guy. I heard rumors that the CP put forth Chuck Baldwin to block Alan Keyes. Seems like the California branch is now pissed and shall break off and run who they wanted to run. This is a power play. people with grudges never get anywhere. TONES
 
How long do you think it will be before lawyers get involved?

I'm guessing any minute now.
 
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