What does the Bible teach about witchcraft--any kind and pagan worship?

[Kevin007]

http://www.letusreason.org/NAM9.htm

 

[HVACTech]

Just thought I'd mention that the original writings in the Bible do not mention pagans or witches.

The original wording that now says "pagans" speak of gentiles or the other people; the "suffer a witch not to live" was put in for King James, who hated witches. The original said murderer or poisoner.

King James was one creepy dude.

is it also true that the word 'sky' was changed to 'heaven'?
I just heard of this toady...

 

[Terry1]

Lol, I'm not struggling nor reconciling anything at present. Since you proceed from this premise with the rest of the prescription from there, well, I appreciate the intent behind what you are attempting to do but um, well, what more can I say? You aren't offending me because you don't know me.

People can wrap themselves in whatever external manifestation they wish but it doesn't change the heart and the heart is what we are judged by. Others can judge us by our fruits.

I don't begrudge or regret my path because I have never been completely alone nor have I consorted with the lords of darkness. I tuned out noise and sought Him within creation. It wasn't proper to do so in the schools of thought I was in at the time. I gained much deeper growth for having walked away from the toxicity of religion.

My faith is Love and I trust in His Wisdom.

~~~peace

We can not mistake correction with the message of love for judgment or persecution. We are supposed to correct each other when we stumble and to lead the sheep home. When someone doesn't want to be corrected or change what they're doing--of course they will accuse the brethren. This is who the devil is and those who serve him--they are the accusers of the brethren and they will never stop accusing them until God puts an end to them Himself.

Choose this day whom you will follow:

Joshua 24:14-15[SUP]14 [/SUP]Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

 

[Terry1]

Any form of paganism is false doctrine. Paul addressed this perversion of the truth in his letter to the believers in Rome (Romans 1:22–27). The people Paul described were worldly and materialistic, worshipping created things rather than the Creator. They worshipped trees, animals, and rocks, going so far as to abuse their bodies in deviant sexual practices to revel in their passions. Paul then goes on to tell us why they did this and the end result:

“Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done” (Romans 1:28).

And after this--they were lost forever and will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven, but will go to that place God has reserved for them.

 

[Terry1]

King James was one creepy dude.

is it also true that the word 'sky' was changed to 'heaven'?
I just heard of this toady...

There is no perfect Bible--only the perfect Holy Spirit of the Lord can sort through the errors of translation and reveal Himself to those who seek with a sincere heart and mind. Seek and you will find--knock and the door to knowledge and understanding will be opened--otherwise--without this key to unlock Gods truth--they will never understand it or God.

 

[VIDEODROME]

Hmmm.... Just let me look up a translation spell for accuracy.

 

[HVACTech]

Any form of paganism is false doctrine. Paul addressed this perversion of the truth in his letter to the believers in Rome (Romans 1:22–27). The people Paul described were worldly and materialistic, worshipping created things rather than the Creator. They worshipped trees, animals, and rocks, going so far as to abuse their bodies in deviant sexual practices to revel in their passions. Paul then goes on to tell us why they did this and the end result:

“Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done” (Romans 1:28).

And after this--they were lost forever and will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven, but will go to that place God has reserved for them.

you can be so cold Love.
are you from the middle east?
over here, we Love and respect our Womenfolk.

 

[Terry1]

you can be so cold Love.
are you from the middle east?
over here, we Love and respect our Womenfolk.

Why in the world would you ask me if I was from the ME??? I am a woman and born and raised in Ohio. LOL I guess there's just a lot of people that interpret Gods word as something cold and cruel instead of a message of love and life. I didn't set the standard for morality--God did. Is God cold then?

I guess this also begs the question--what sets the precedent for anyone's morality? I've asked this before. Where to you believe the origin and concepts of "good or evil" began. How do people know they're not supposed to lie, cheat, steal, rob or murder? What keeps mankind from tearing themselves apart? Did morality just evolve from a mud puddle or was it created?

 

[HVACTech]

Why in the world would you ask me if I was from the ME??? I am a woman and born and raised in Ohio. LOL

I am insecure Love.

I find myself oddly attracted to peaches.
am I a Pagan?

 

[Terry1]

I am insecure Love.

I find myself oddly attracted to peaches.
am I a Pagan?

I don't know--are you? Read the word of God and find out.

 

[moostraks]

We can not mistake correction with the message of love for judgment or persecution. We are supposed to correct each other when we stumble and to lead the sheep home. When someone doesn't want to be corrected or change what they're doing--of course they will accuse the brethren. This is who the devil is and those who serve him--they are the accusers of the brethren and they will never stop accusing them until God puts an end to them Himself.

Choose this day whom you will follow:

Joshua 24:14-15[SUP]14 [/SUP]Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

What is this supposed to be directed to? Yourself?

 

[Terry1]

What is this supposed to be directed to? Yourself?

Is that what you think--that what I quoted applies to me? Weren't you the one defending paganism and witchcraft? I don't want to play this game with you moos--frankly I'm tired here tonight anyway. I think you got the message--no matter how you wish to interpret that--it's up to you. It's your soul and eternal destiny--not mine.

Good night.

 

[Kevin007]

RJB, get a life hater. Almost every neg I have is from you, lol. I know I'm doing good.

 

[RJB]

RJB, get a life hater. Almost every neg I have is from you, lol. I know I'm doing good.

(Shrug) Why don't you post something truthful about others for a change?

 

[Terry1]

I'm not playing games. You haven't a clue or any humility about what you seem to be running on about and you don't even bother to get to know those you preach it all while placing yourself on some pretty pedestal as "the brethren" and making some bizarre accusations again about being accused? Whatever...

Good night

I haven't a clue or any humility? Uhhu--well, seems to me not too long ago you were "running on about" and accusing some of us-- including me of bowing down to demons, but how strange that your little buddy there didn't jump in and defend us from your accusations of that either. Now come to find out you used to be a witch and still with this adoration for the "old crone and her familiar/demon" companion, while running on about how you will defend witchcraft and paganism while touting yourself a "Christian" at the same time.

So "getting to know you"---is pretty much a foregone conclusion already.

 

[Terry1]

SOS different day, eh? Now I know you need to be the underdog so you can claim the pity vote and attack others but come on, really? How you can with a straight face demand others ignore all your outbursts as in the past (even if the past was 20 minutes prior) and then carp on something someone else said to you 6 months or over what like a year ago with a person who isn't even a member any more? Really?

Again, the demons thing, you walked yourself into that iirc, because for me to hold to that belief would mean I would disregard everything good that is offered from the EOC. Now, since I bump certain threads and have made it well known that there is good instruction for those who feel drawn to that path, the argument you continually put up is ridiculous but that doesn't seem to take the wind out of the sails of its usage.

So you don't say in a liberty forum, subforum based upon peace, as a follower of religion path that believes in forgiveness and the power of Creator energy to reach all peoples and greater than any human construct, I would support getting to know a person and their practices and respect them as I would wish to be treated is...shameful, unloving, demonic, accusing " the brethren" ? Please...

Yet, you dismiss historical data, you dismiss personal interaction, as neither is necessary because you know it all. You push medieval propaganda with no humility and then claim you are persecuted? You think you can throw verses at people with all your wisdom of well...choosing not to get all dirty with that individual neighborly kindness thing to find out whether what you are assuming is any ways accurate. You read and grasp none of what is said in response but look for more arrows to sling so you can elevate yourself and claim superiority. This is why pagans will not converse with Christians, any Christians, because they learn it is a waste of breath more often than not to get the opposing party to hear them.

I gave an explanation of my view of crone-old healer marginalized by hypocrites to the edge of society yet used by said hypocrites when they needed her services. I gave an explanation of familiar-a wise companion animal with its own soul. You find that to be shameful? To support the misunderstood, elderly, marginalized is shameful and demonic? To want to live in connection and mutual benefit with His creatures is shameful and demonic?

~~~peace

You post one strawman argument after another, including nothing but, lies, accusations and insults. This is your normal MO. You just can't tell the truth can you. If you didn't misrepresent something and lie about it--I wouldn't recognize a post of yours even if it had your username next to it. Lol

I wouldn't even try to begin dissecting that pile of trash you posted because it stands as a monument and reminder of who you are. Everything you post is an indication that you have some serious spiritual issues going on. In one post you'll say one thing and the next something entirely different in defense of yourself. Makes one wonder if your head ever stops spinning.

 

[Terry1]

This comes from a Baptist protestant site--just so I won't be accused discrimination-lol

Question: "What are familiar spirits?"

Answer: The word familiar is from the Latin familiaris, meaning a "household servant," and is intended to express the idea that sorcerers had spirits as their servants ready to obey their commands. Those attempting to contact the dead, even to this day, usually have some sort of spirit guide who communicates with them. These are familiar spirits.

Leviticus 19:31; 20:6, 27; and Deuteronomy 18:9-14 refer to “mediums and familiar spirits” and forbids being involved with them, as they are an abomination to the Lord. A medium is one who acts as a liaison to supposedly contact or communicate with the dead on behalf of the living. In reality mediums are contacting demons who convince the mediums that they are “familiar” and can be trusted and believed. The practices associated with mediums and familiar spirits were banned in Israel, and the punishment for practicing such things was death.

Familiar spirits and spirit guides are under the control of their master, Satan. They influence people to spread lies and deceit in order to thwart the kingdom of God. To knowingly open oneself to the work of demons is an evil thing: "Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in [a] fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD" (Deuteronomy 18:10-12a).

Some avenues through which demons or "familiar spirits" can gain entrance into a person's life are divination, transcendental meditation, visualization, necromancy, witchcraft, drugs, and alcohol. These are all activities that believers are exhorted to avoid. Instead, we are to be filled with the Holy Spirit, with love, with joy, and with the fullness of life that comes from Jesus Christ. We are also to be on guard, "for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms" (Ephesians 6:12).


Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/familiar-spirits.html#ixzz3WrnjNdBD

 

[Terry1]

And for the future here moos--if you want to practice witchcraft and the occult--I have no problem with that at all--it's your choice. What I do take issue with is you attempting to pass yourself off as a "Christian" in here attempting to correct other Christians when you still have no clue what that is.

If you'd like to start a thread on how great witches are--I'd respect that a whole lot more than you trying to claim the title of Christian while giving witchcraft the props as something good wise and misunderstood.

Be one or the other, but I do get offended when a witch tries to correct Christians on their worship and practices. Stick to your own kind if you want to correct someone then. I just imagine that any witch that's true to herself would be telling you the very same thing. Pick a side and choose your master, but don't be telling Christians or witches how to live and worship until you get it right and pick a side yourself.

 

[VIDEODROME]

What if Moos is an example of syncretic religion? Even many practitioners of Voodoo believe in Jesus Christ and Mary.... well, in their own peculiar ways.

The voodoo god Lenglensou basen san is worshipped as the Sacred Heart of Jesus or le Sacré-Coeur de Jésus.

In voodoo, loa or mystères inhabit pictures and statues used as visual aids in prayer or worship.

A voodoo altar consecrated to all the loa with a deck of cards for divination resting on the cross.

Just a thought, because here you have people who were probably preached to by Christian Missionaries and this is what happens. They accept Jesus into their life, but they don't abandon their old ways either.

I'm not sure if Moos is in a position like this still appreciating old pagan ways while considering the Christianity Terry would like to see her accept. I suppose this frustrates Terry if such people seem to be following 2 masters. Well, there is precedent for this and some people will follow 2 or 10 Masters. I can imagine some people get tired of dealing with Missions and will keep their old ways while adding both God and Allah or whatever. They'll have the most elaborate altar to a pantheon of Abrahamic Gods if people will leave them alone.

 

[Terry1]

VIDEODROME, when you were a practicing Catholic, do you remember this teaching?


The Lamp of the Body

(Luke 11:33-36)

22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.