I know what you mean. Appalling the way the USA turned out in some parts. The economic system allowed organized crime to flourish. Geoism would make it difficult for these people to operate.
What do you think of Land Value Tax (LVT)
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I know what you mean. Appalling the way the USA turned out in some parts. The economic system allowed organized crime to flourish. Geoism would make it difficult for these people to operate.
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Actually, it would legitimize them, making it incredibly easy for them to operate, and on the grandest scale imaginable. LVT would do for land what the Fed did for currency. Instead of Mafia, you just say "State". Oh, and just like the Mafia, they'll know which palms to grease, what needs to be "given back" to key parts of da community. No free lunch, you don't slop from the public trough without making sure that enough voting little piggies get their turn at all that "reclaimed" wealth. And most can be bought for a song.
No, that's just your moronic nonsense.
No, that is physically impossible, as land's supply is fixed. You just have to spew the stupidest lies you can think of, don't you?
Unlike the mafia, the state contributes value through services and infrastructure, as proved by the incomparably higher land value where there is a state than where there isn't.
More dishonesty, silliness and nonsense.
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Wow, this thread is still going on, and on, and on.....
Steven Douglas, He really is tearing you up will those intelligent "silliness and nonsense" type come back, you need to try harder, how can you possibilly answer such a harsh critical critique? //sarcasam
Steven Douglas, He really is tearing you up will those intelligent "silliness and nonsense" type come back, you need to try harder, how can you possibilly answer such a harsh critical critique? //sarcasam
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This is true. Consider Roy's favorite example: Hong Kong. The regime became so corrupt it necessitate the creation of the Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) in 1974. After this, this police and government made every attempt to overthrow the ICAC, and eventually did. They required British intervention to even begin to get reforms going (the head of the ICAC answered to the British Prime Minister). (1)
Daydreams of a "successful" LVT regime (if the end goal is true justice and maximum freedom) will always be just daydreams.
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Indeed! Trolling the troll is fun!Wow, this thread is still going on, and on, and on.....
Steven Douglas, He really is tearing you up will those intelligent "silliness and nonsense" type come back, you need to try harder, how can you possibilly answer such a harsh critical critique? //sarcasam
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Wow, this thread is still going on, and on, and on.....
Steven Douglas, He really is tearing you up will those intelligent "silliness and nonsense" type come back, you need to try harder, how can you possibilly answer such a harsh critical critique? //sarcasam
I think Steven is one of the forum member I would most like to have a beer with. Obviously the beer would be to cheer him up about being so decisively demolished by Roy
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lolz...So I'll have to cry in my beer alone?I think Steven is one of the forum member I would most like to have a beer with. Obviously the beer would be to cheer him up about being so decisively demolished by Roy
I haz teh sad.
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lolz...So I'll have to cry in my beer alone?
You're just not cool enough to drink with eduardo89. You can have a beer with Roy
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You're just not cool enough to drink with eduardo89. You can have a beer with Roy
Shoot, let's all get together and have a beer, maybe even have Roy join us...even heavenlyboy34 too
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I sure wish there were some RP supporters around where I live......alas....
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There's probably more than in Spain
Yeah, although I haven't met any yet.....there are a few RP posters in scattered yards in Greencastle, IN (about 8 miles away)......but none around here. Maybe I should go there and knock on their door to talk to them...
Nope. Flat wrong. HK was and remains an island of clean government with only a single rival in all of East Asia: Singapore -- where the government not coincidentally aggressively nationalized land in the 1960s and now owns 70% of it. HK only became corrupt in the 50s, 60s and 70s because of the huge influx of refugees from the PRC, many of whom were already corrupt and found life too risky in the PRC, especially with the Cultural Revolution going on. And HK was also only corrupt by comparison with the standards of the UK, which has been one of the least corrupt countries in the world for centuries.
But what has public ownership of land wrought in HK since then? Why, looka here: YOUR OWN SOURCE confirms that PUBLIC OWNERSHIP OF LAND has DEFEATED corruption, even despite the handover to the PRC in 1997:
Transparency International now ranks Hong Kong among the least corrupt places in the world, ahead of countries like the United Kingdom, Japan, and the United States.
This is an almost miraculous achievement against corruption, and it destroys you comprehensively, conclusively, utterly and permanently. Every time you try to slag LVT, you only prove you have to be grotesquely dishonest to do it.
Flat wrong.
Hong Kong proves you wrong, so you have to lie about it. Simple.
But they should continue to pocket its publicly created value, paid for by other people's taxes? Uh-huh.
Somehow, I kinda figured it'd be something like that...
As land and capital are legally property, that leaves taxes on... labor. What a shocker!
Rarely has the argument for greed, privilege and injustice been articulated so baldly.
As air is just a different kind of land (another natural resource men have a right to use, and need to use in order to live) I would advocate an air value tax... if air had any market value. Whereas if greedy, evil filth started privatizing the air, found a way to "homestead" it and fence it off, started charging you rent for air to breathe, then you would feel blessed by the joys of capitalism!
Now, don't you feel as stupid as a bag of hammers?
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I'll take you up on that if I'm in your neighborhood.Shoot, let's all get together and have a beer, maybe even have Roy join us...even heavenlyboy34 too
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You mean as opposed to finding a way to "homestead" it, fence it ALL off on behalf of the state, which then forever charged you rent for air to breathe, then you would feel blessed by the joys of communism!
Now, don't you feel as stupid as a bag of all hammers in existence?
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Air is super abundant and its value is 0. Only air space is finite. Don't want a claim on airspace? Good luck defending yourself when foreigners decide to use your airspace to drop bombs on you.
You don't want a claim on the air where you live? Okay, seal it off and I'll make sure to send all my various air pollution your way, and throw in some mustard gas for good measure. Enjoy your air!
If you were the stupidest person on earth, you still would not be so stupid that you wouldn't know:
1) Government in fact ALREADY DOES administer use of air so that the rights of all to breathe it are secured, and
2) Not being evil, greedy filth as private airlords would indisputably be, it in fact doesn't charge anyone any rent for air to breathe.
So, stupidity cannot be the cause of your absurd, fallacious and grotesque nonsense. Only dishonesty can produce such completely outrageous garbage.
Don't you understand what it means when I always prove your "arguments" are stupid, fallacious, absurd, dishonest, and stupid?
No, right about now I am feeling infinitely more intelligent, as well as infinitely more knowledgeable and honest, than you.
Airspace is land. So I do want a claim on it: the liberty right to use it.
What are you blathering about?
Oh, learn how to read. Or think. I already have a claim on it: my rights to life and liberty.
Try not to confess your evil quite so blatantly.
