What do you think of Land Value Tax (LVT)

[Steven Douglas]

If you were the stupidest person on earth, you still would not be so stupid that you wouldn't know:

1) Government in fact ALREADY DOES administer use of air so that the rights of all to breathe it are secured, and
2) Not being evil, greedy filth as private airlords would indisputably be, it in fact doesn't charge anyone any rent for air to breathe.

So, stupidity cannot be the cause of your absurd, fallacious and grotesque nonsense. Only dishonesty can produce such completely outrageous garbage.

Don't you understand what it means when I always prove your "arguments" are stupid, fallacious, absurd, dishonest, and stupid?

No, right about now I am feeling infinitely more intelligent, as well as infinitely more knowledgeable and honest, than you.

1) Government does not "administer use of air". That's silliness on your part, like a Saint Bernard bitch who winces from a flea bite and you, the chihuahua on the stool that is humping her from behind, says, "Oh, I'm sorry, did I hurt you honey?" Government attempts to govern and regulate localized air usage (factories, autos, etc.,), but it does not, and cannot, collectivize the air, nor does it "administer use of air". That's upside down and backwards crank talk right there.

2) Merely saying thing like, "...evil, greedy filth...private...stupidity...absurd, fallacious and grotesque nonsense...dishonesty...completely outrageous garbage...stupid, fallacious, absurd, dishonest, and stupid..." is evidence to me of nausea and stomach pains on your part, but it does not make you "...infinitely more intelligent, as well as infinitely more knowledgeable and honest..." Then again, you didn't claim that, did you? You said it had you ""right now feeling" that way. I don't think that's true, but it is at least consistent with all your prior delusions of intelligence and honesty.

 

[Roy L]

1) Government does not "administer use of air".

It most certainly and indisputably does, stop lying.

That's silliness on your part,

It is obvious fact, and you are just lying.

Government attempts to govern and regulate localized air usage (factories, autos, etc.,), but it does not, and cannot, collectivize the air,

Nice attempt to change the subject.

nor does it "administer use of air".

You are indisputably wrong. As usual. EPA standards, auto emission standards, carbon taxes, acid rain sulfur limits, etc. are all manifestations of government administration of use of air.

That's upside down and backwards crank talk right there.

That's stupid, empty garbage right there.

 

[Roy L]

Actually, it would legitimize them, making it incredibly easy for them to operate, and on the grandest scale imaginable. LVT would do for land what the Fed did for currency. Instead of Mafia, you just say "State". Oh, and just like the Mafia, they'll know which palms to grease, what needs to be "given back" to key parts of da community. No free lunch, you don't slop from the public trough without making sure that enough voting little piggies get their turn at all that "reclaimed" wealth. And most can be bought for a song.

Here's more proof just how wrong you always have to be when you stupidly and dishonestly slag LVT:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-39240-Cops-free-78-captives-from-private-jail

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Table of Contents

Table of Contents​

Directory to what I feel were my most substantive contributions in this thread.

Some Criticism:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3577112&viewfull=1#post3577112


What is Property?:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3585601&viewfull=1#post3585601


A Right is a Boundary:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3585708&viewfull=1#post3585708


Use and control is what ownership *is*:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3782367&viewfull=1#post3782367


LVT Makes the State the Land-Owner:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3908042&viewfull=1#post3908042
Continued:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3913177&viewfull=1#post3913177
Continued:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=4021701&viewfull=1#post4021701


Regarding land ownership being inherently monopolistic, due to non-homogeneity of land:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3585760&viewfull=1#post3585760
And more about land being homogeneous/heterogenous, and also about the supply of land being fixed:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3630122&viewfull=1#post3630122
And more:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3632718&viewfull=1#post3632718
And more:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3634017&viewfull=1#post3634017
And more:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3639251&viewfull=1#post3639251


Explaining yet again, this time with ASCII graphics, that the transfer of money does not negate injustice:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3587263&viewfull=1#post3587263
Explaining it yet again, this time with song:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3588236&viewfull=1#post3588236

Does everyone have a rightful claim to the universe, or does no one:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...of-Land-Value-Tax-(LVT)&p=3621340#post3621340
Continued:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...of-Land-Value-Tax-(LVT)&p=3623925#post3623925
Continued:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3627987&viewfull=1#post3627987


Regarding the land-owner's productive function as ultimate decision-maker:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3676602&viewfull=1#post3676602
Land-owner as ultimate decision-maker -- explaining the concept of delegation:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3695459&viewfull=1#post3695459
Mr. L. thinks the owners of car rental businesses do not control nor use their cars:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3790254&viewfull=1#post3790254
So I explain it again:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3790976&viewfull=1#post3790976


Renting just is not that bad:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3685284&viewfull=1#post3685284


Rothbardianism is so awesome, even the crazy Georgists can have their way under it and we can all live in harmony:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3693178&viewfull=1#post3693178


A couple fundamental disagreements between Georgists and us (Or, A Last Hurrah at Attempting to Communicate With a Turing Program):
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3694703&viewfull=1#post3694703


Will land will be used better if there is a Land Value Tax? (Bringing in North Dakota to the discussion):
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3696912&viewfull=1#post3696912


Further elaboration on the Double-Whammy:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3753562&viewfull=1#post3753562


Land-owners also are productive by lowering society's average time preference; If LVT, why not CVT?:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3698271&viewfull=1#post3698271


Grab-bag (No homesteading = no property; power to the state to smash land-owners will back-fire; more taxed =/= more efficient):
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3718319&viewfull=1#post3718319


Again Concerning Public Choice and Plans Back-firing:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=4007650&viewfull=1#post4007650


More Public Choice Common Sense vs. Savior-State Naivety:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...of-Land-Value-Tax-(LVT)&p=4105181#post4105181


Grab-bag (How does the newborn get a right rather than the homesteader; Homesteading is a transformation, and the result is a product of labor; wild animals as land):
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3676489&viewfull=1#post3676489


Grab-bag (more detail on production is transformation using parking lot and chainsaw; feudalism rocks; just who's initiating force?; which is it, everyone or no one?):
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3734355&viewfull=1#post3734355


CVT and LVT parallels (Factory vs. Land parallels; abandoned products of labor don't disappear):
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3741002&viewfull=1#post3741002


Land Taxation causes economic destruction:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3741684&viewfull=1#post3741684


Regarding whether rationing resources is murder:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3586982&viewfull=1#post3586982


Property Rights: the Great Problem Solver:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3742768&viewfull=1#post3742768
Continued: The State: the Great Destroyer:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3745338&viewfull=1#post3745338


Grab-bag to MattButler:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3744412&viewfull=1#post3744412


The *only* thing that's holy, the *only* thing that's land, is locations on the Earth's surface:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3748437&viewfull=1#post3748437


You Could Own a Whole Planet, But You'd Have Calculation Problems:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3759398&viewfull=1#post3759398
Continued:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3785571&viewfull=1#post3785571


Hong Kong!:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3782319&viewfull=1#post3782319
Hong Kong! addendum:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3790884&viewfull=1#post3790884


Manners and Mutual Respect (respecting that it's not for sale) vs. LVT Covetousness:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3792359&viewfull=1#post3792359


Knowledge or Wanting: Which one creates the initiation of Force?:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3792458&viewfull=1#post3792458


Cantillon (Land Barony is A-OK!):
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3793697&viewfull=1#post3793697


An Instance of the Impossible -- Legitimately Homesteaded Land:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=4114906&viewfull=1#post4114906


Four of My Idiotic Howlers:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3757325&viewfull=1#post3757325


Nature is not a Vending Machine!:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3919973&viewfull=1#post3919973


George wanted to nationalize land:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=4015769&viewfull=1#post4015769
Continued:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=4021482&viewfull=1#post4021482


Georgism Wrong on Value-Imputation:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=4116328&viewfull=1#post4116328


The Question:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ue-Tax-(LVT)&p=3793722&viewfull=1#post3793722

 

[TheTexan]

What do you think of Land Value Tax

Fuck that

/thread

 

[Roy L]

Fuck that

/thread

...obviously not having read the thread, and knowing nothing about land value tax, but seeing the word, "tax" and reacting with a knee-jerk reflex...

Like all who refuse to think about this issue, you deserve your society's fate.