We allow private individuals to own land and charge others for using it. That is fact, that does happen. Slavery without using shackles.
What do you think of Land Value Tax (LVT)
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We allow private individuals to own land and charge others for using it. That is fact, that does happen. Slavery without using shackles.
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So you're against hotels?
I do not. I want imposing LVT on "all" land and leave ownership alone. But subject land to monopoly commissions etc.
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Let's face it. You want government control. Plain and simple.
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Yeah, so envy that model to the point where we add those shackles, by locking everyone onto a plantation wherever they go, letting the state be the only slave-owner.
What is it with people who think that the solution to an evil is more of the same evil, or worse yet, state control of that evil?
The "guests" stay inside the capital, the building. The guests do not permanently live in the hotel.
You are a very confused person. Read back on all my posts. Get this greedy, me, me, me, out your head.
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What's more greedy: me wanting to pay for myself and opposing the government stealing from others to pay for me, or you who wants the government to steal from people at gunpoint unless they pay for other?
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No it doesn't, it simply makes us slaves to the state in a different manner.
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Yep - much worse, and in the absolute. You can avoid slavery (to an extent in today's upside down entitlement world of parasites) by owning land and avoiding holding fiat currency. With LVT all land is spoken for by the state. There is no rest for the weary, no security for anyone, not once the hungry hungry hippo parasite has a main line to the main artery of absolutely every individual from which to suckle -- as everybody "reclaims wealth they created" (as part of the cum-myun-it-tee) from everybody else.
Oh, when will these nutbags buy a clue?
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If you rent it out you are akin to a slaver. As to parasites:
Martin Wolf Chief economist for the Financial Times:
"throughout history, the main source of wealth was land-ownership. The parasitic landowner became wealthy on the efforts of others - peasants, tenants and even developers. Sometimes the parasite was also a farmer or developer, but that does not change the fact that these are two distinct economic roles. The parasite built fine castles and palaces and often sponsored music and culture. But he was still a parasite."
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Read the thread from the beginning. All is there. The gvmt does not own your land. It does in Hong Kong where they lease the land, payable per year, dropping income tax creating a dynamic economy - created by the British. Hong Kong built a full underground metro not using income tax, only land taxes. Taiwan and Singapore use LVT. Taiwan was catapulted in one generation from a rural backwater to a world, dynamic, technological, power.
LVT is a levy on the value on "all" land. Ownerships is irrelevant. LVT reclaims community created wealth.
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It is a very much a form of communism - a complete redistribution of wealth. The state (government at whatever level) owns all land, and charges rent for the privilege of using "its land". It's that simple.
Geoists/Georgists/geolibs attempt describe it using different terms, in the hopes of making self-reinforcing paradigm shifting arguments (e.g., "The state doesn't own the land because land is unownable. The state only administers and controls it" or, "It's not a 'tax', it's only 'reclaiming' value that the community provided!").
All completely irrelevant, except as ways of promoting their arguments. The net effect is absolutely no different than if the state came right out and declared that it OWNED all land in perpetuity and forever charged RENT for the privilege of using it, based on whatever formulae were adopted to administer the ad valorem ("based on value only") tax.
Steal your land? Such a vivid imagination.
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I did see that. lol
But you know, he/they doesn't/don't see it that way. Why, that's not your land at all. That's community land. You see, if I come mow your lawn, sweep your sidewalk, and wash your windows for you, and do a really good job of it, and all that nice looking grass and such makes people interested in buying from you -- I'm not just mowing your lawn and such - I'm actually SOAKING VALUE INTO YOUR LAND. Value that I simply must reclaim. If I can't reclaim it, you're the thief, doncha know.
It is pure Capitalism, with an unrigged free-market. You have been constantly told this but your conditioning gets the better of you. That is sad. Please at least try. Although LVT would work in Commie country as well as Republican USA.
LVT does no such thing. A team of economist, mainly US, went to Russia to help in the transition to the free-market. They said do not sell land, keep it community owned and leased out as dynamic Hong Kong does. They never did it - Russia would have been a world economic power by now if it did.
LVT fairly distributes the proceeds of a society's production. Not equally. If I work harder than you I earn more than you.
You must try harder. Please do.
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