What do you guys think of my political platform?

[Origanalist]

Maybe school hasn't started back from Christmas break yet.

Hey, I'm just standing for traditional morality and values.

 

[CaptUSA]

Economy- Free-market capitalism. Protectionist trade policy.(Strongly oppose free trade. Put high tariffs on all imported goods)

Lol. Which is it?

 

[cajuncocoa]

Hey, I'm just standing for traditional morality and values.

 

[acptulsa]

Lol. Which is it?

Silly goose, he wants to say he's doing one thing while actually doing the opposite. Just like in 1984.

In other words, business as usual.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I don't have much time right now, but PaleoConPrep, you should give this more thought.

Drug use- Totally illegal for recreational purposes. Legal but strictly regulated for medicinal purposes.

It's not that I think it's a good idea for people to be stoned all the time, but you need to look at how the War on Drugs has been used to take away your liberty. There are a whole bunch of examples that I'm sure others will be happy to provide you, but take for example Asset Forfeiture. Google it. Due to the "War on Drugs", police are now empowered to confiscate money and other property from basically anyone they choose and said people have to PROVE they are innocent to get it back. What happens to that money and property you may ask? Well, the police get to keep it and use it for whatever they want. Cars, pool tables, whatever. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Well, it's out the window with this.

You should also do some research on our government being caught running drugs to fund black ops. I would imagine they hate the competition from other sources.

Let's also talk about what you said about strictly limiting drugs for medicinal purposes. Do you realize that doctors are scared to death to prescribe pain medication to their patients today, because of what the federal government might do to them? Imagine for a moment being in such horrible pain and having be made to feel like a drug addict, all because of some lawyers in the federal government. Lawyers who would be crying like big babies if they ever experienced one iota of the pain that these people are in day in and day out. Who died and left them God and what business is it of theirs what people put into their own bodies? Your liberty should extend out to the point where you infringe on someone else's liberty. That means you can't get stoned and pilot a plane, etc. But sitting at home? What business is it of some Congressman?

Research the War on Drugs more. It has been very, very detrimental to liberty. It has been used as the excuse to strip Americans of their fundamental rights, time and time again. How many homes have been invaded, innocent people and pets shot, all because the police were implementing the "War on Drugs"? What's more, ask yourself if it has worked. Because from where I am sitting, it most certainly has not. Personally, I don't think they want it to stop. It keeps the prices propped up for their own drug running business and it allows them to expand their unconstitutional police powers.

You don't need to pass a law against something to persuade people. Individuals and churches can have PR campaigns, etc. Not use big government to force their personal beliefs for their own selves, on everyone else.

 

[CaptUSA]

Silly goose, he wants to say he's doing one thing while actually doing the opposite. Just like in 1984.

In other words, business as usual.

Just saw the other thread where he says he's a 16 year old kid. He just has more to learn is all. He needs to learn what a free market is.

 

[The Gold Standard]

So, guys, perhaps it would be better to start with what you agree with him on.

Why? I wouldn't take what I agree with him on if I had to take what I don't agree with him on.

 

[acptulsa]

Who died and left them God and what business is it of theirs what people put into their own bodies?

Just saw the other thread where he says he's a 16 year old kid. He just has more to learn is all. He needs to learn what a free market is.

Some sixteen year olds are ten feet tall and bulletproof. Others are all-knowing, all-seeing and all-compassionate. You can tell how all-compassionate they are by the way they walk past smokers and start hacking their lungs out, even though any fool can see they're upwind.

Most of these sixteen year olds become totalitarian liberals. A few have an equal and opposite reaction. Tell them they're all the same and they'll scream at you for five hours straight. But they are all the same--they're all equally arrogant.

Supporting liberty means being intelligent and experienced enough to stop believing one is God and accepting the fact that there are more variables in the world than any one person could ever possibly manage. In other words, to no small degree maturity and wisdom are a loss of arrogance. Unfortunately, exactly zero media discourse these days is geared toward creating maturity, and just about 100% of it is geared toward stroking people's arrogance. Which is the best way possible of convincing the American people to shoot themselves in the foot.

Your 'solutions' are part of the problem, kid. Indeed, the fact that you're assuming that you have solutions to offer makes the problem worse.

 

[puppetmaster]

like usual, I agree with some disagree with others.

 

[otherone]

Why are you up at two in the morning, are your parents ok with that?

Thinking the same thing....someone who desperately wants to get laid, and feels guilty about it.
Alternatively, someone rejected by art school.

 

[kahless]

Obviously trolling on calling for the death penalty for so many items but I put my 2 cents in anyway.

Marriage- Between one man and one woman

I would vote for a candidate with this position however I would rather the government be completely out of regulating marriage. Marriage is a spiritual contract with God for which government has no place.

Abortion- Totally illegal l(a life is a life no matter what. If a woman is raped and gets pregnant, kill the rapist and let the child live)

I agree except for the "kill the rapist" part. False accusations of rape means you could very well be executing innocent people.

Death Penalty- Legal in all states (make rape and pedophilia punishable by death)

If you truly value life you would realize the risk is too great that a jury would execute an innocent person.

Animal Rights- Secerely punish animal abuse. Animal abuse should result in a mental evaluation of the abuser, harsh prison sentence, and possible death sentence.

You value "life no matter what" but would execute someone for animal abuse. I would be concerned at where the government would draw the line with punishment (examples, agriculture workers, research labs and what about encountering wild animals).

Drug use- Totally illegal for recreational purposes. Legal but strictly regulated for medicinal purposes.

On one hand I agree considering the destruction of our neighborhoods, cities and the overwhelming costs to social services dealing with these people. On the other I also do not want to pay the costs of the size of government needed to prosecute and confine them which I think is ridiculous. Maybe legalize small amounts and rehab abusers.

Gun Control- Very little (keep guns away from the mentally ill and violent felons)

Here is another where you give the government an inch and they may take a mile. Sounds good on the surface but could be taken too far. For example the high percentage of people that have been described an anti-depressant at any time in their life or holds an anti-anxiety prescription might be the excuse government uses to restrict their gun ownership.

Foreign Policy- Non-interventionism (NO MORE unneeded foreign entanglements. Only consider war if there is an IMMEDIATE threat to the US. Let the Middle East deal with itself. Palestinian state is needed for Israel to remain Jewish. Gradually end ALL foreign aid. Get us OUT of the UN immediately. )

Support it.

Immigration- Deport all illegal aliens (we owe them nothing) Stop all legal immigration until the unemployment rate is 2% or less.

Support it.

Taxes- Teriff based revenue system supplemented by excise taxes. (drastically cut taxes on businesses) Taxes should go to basics like plice, firefighters, and defense. Abolish Estate tax, Death tax, and Payroll tax.

Support it.

Economy- Free-market capitalism. Protectionist trade policy.(Strongly oppose free trade. Put high tariffs on all imported goods) Focus on American industry and manufacturing. Go back to Gold Standard.

Support it.

Welfare- End ALL forms of welfare(food stamps, poor housing, Medicaid, etc) The governments job is government, not charity.

I would only support this as part of a long term transition to free market private charitable organizations. It would be inhumane otherwise. However there should be tighter controls in the mean time.

I have some ideas for incentives and how this might work. For example companies could participate donating part of each sale and compete nationally against one another to encourage consumers to shop at the most charitable business. Non-mandatory payroll deductions that people would want to contribute to as not to be frowned upon by their co-workers or employer. You do not like the company policy then do not work there.

Healthcare- Slightly regulated free-market healthcare system.

Deregulation, health insurance companies should be allowed to compete across state lines. If slightly regulated means requiring payments within a certain time frame or not denying covered services I would keep those regulations in place.

Federal Bureaucracy- Abolish IRS, Department of Education, EPA, HUD, and Department of Commerce,

Support it.

Education- End public education. Support private schools, charter schools, and homeschooling. Stop ALL federal funding for universities. Let the colleges fund themselves (like Hillsdale) College is only for ACADEMICS (not for partying and drinking) Most kids do not belong in college. Create separatespecialized “colleges’ for athletes.

Support it.

Agriculture- End the service economy. Make agriculture a cornerstone of the nation.

This is too vague.

Environmentalism- “climate change” is a fraud. Continue looking for alternative energy sources, but don’t put coal and oil companies out of business.

I agree.

Morality/Values- Stand for traditional morality and values. Create strong sense of American nationalism. Strongly oppose multiculturalism and affirmative action. Make English official language of America.

Ban ALL pornography. Anyone who creates or distributes porn of any kind should be punished with 50 years in prison.

Trolling again. You would have to lockup half of the nation.

Put homosexuality back on the list of mental illnesses, No more government funding of “transgender” programs of any kind.

I agree, which does not mean I support discrimination against homosexuals but rather it should be recognized as an illness.

Stop glorifying perverts. America should be a nation with Christian values. We must not lose our Western heritage. Our culture is superior because our religion is true. Abandoning Christianity will ultimately destroy our culture.

I agree but impossible to regulate.

Other- Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments. Pass a Balanced Budget Amendment. Strict term limits for ALL politicians.

I agree.

Despite agreeing on so many points I could never support an authoritarian candidate platform such as this that is so quick to use the death penalty.

 

[erowe1]

To make English the national language, how do you legally define what does and doesn't qualify as English? Would you establish a government bureau that's responsible for regulating the purity of the language like France has?

 

[TheTexan]

Ban ALL pornography.

Okay

 

[LibertyEagle]

To make English the national language, how do you legally define what does and doesn't qualify as English? Would you establish a government bureau that's responsible for regulating the purity of the language like France has?

More like the government should only use our money to print government docs in English.

 

[Rothbardian Girl]

So, guys, perhaps it would be better to start with what you agree with him on. At quick glance, surely you agree with abolishing the federal agencies that he mentioned; going back to the gold standard; abolishing welfare; ending abortion. Ron Paul would agree with him on all these.

Oh, abortion will always be there. The question is whether the procedures will be ones performed by medical professionals, or ones performed illicitly that have a risk of killing both the fetus and the mother (or using unsafe methods that are likely painful for the fetus - think coathangers).

It sounds to me like you only accept arguments about what happens when markets are regulated when it suits your purposes. The cold, hard fact is that there is a market for abortions, and making it illegal amounts to a regulation that will have unforeseen consequences, much like the war on drugs and Prohibition.

I definitely agree that all rapists should be shot, though. Not through a state-sponsored execution, but victims absolutely have a right to self-defense.

 

[Panasonic KX-T7705]

Platform
Marriage- Between one man and one woman

I agree with that, but why does the government have to be involved?

Abortion- Totally illegal l(a life is a life no matter what. If a woman is raped and gets pregnant, kill the rapist and let the child live)

Totally agree, murder should be punished. Unborn children shouldn't be murdered.

Death Penalty- Legal in all states (make rape and pedophilia punishable by death)

I tend to agree.

Animal Rights- Secerely punish animal abuse. Animal abuse should result in a mental evaluation of the abuser, harsh prison sentence, and possible death sentence.

Death sentence is a bit too much. Prison? I shouldn't have to pay for that. How about restitution to the owner of the animal instead?

Drug use- Totally illegal for recreational purposes. Legal but strictly regulated for medicinal purposes.

I'm sorry, but what right does the government have to tell me what I can and cannot ingest into my own body? What right does the government have to tell me what treatments I can and cannot take?

Gun Control- Very little (keep guns away from the mentally ill and violent felons)

If a felon is violent why would he be out of prison? If he's served his time, why should he still be punished by having his right to bear arms restricted?

Foreign Policy- Non-interventionism (NO MORE unneeded foreign entanglements. Only consider war if there is an IMMEDIATE threat to the US. Let the Middle East deal with itself. Palestinian state is needed for Israel to remain Jewish. Gradually end ALL foreign aid. Get us OUT of the UN immediately. )

Sounds good.

Immigration- Deport all illegal aliens (we owe them nothing) Stop all legal immigration until the unemployment rate is 2% or less.

Stop legal immigration? Perhaps one of the dumbest policy positions ever taken.

Taxes- Teriff based revenue system supplemented by excise taxes. (drastically cut taxes on businesses) Taxes should go to basics like plice, firefighters, and defense. Abolish Estate tax, Death tax, and Payroll tax.

Why should taxes fund firefighters?

Economy- Free-market capitalism. Protectionist trade policy.(Strongly oppose free trade. Put high tariffs on all imported goods) Focus on American industry and manufacturing. Go back to Gold Standard.

Protectionism hurts Americans more. Gold standard I like, but let the market decide.

Welfare- End ALL forms of welfare(food stamps, poor housing, Medicaid, etc) The governments job is government, not charity.

I agree.

Healthcare- Slightly regulated free-market healthcare system.

That doesn't make any logical sense.

Federal Bureaucracy- Abolish IRS, Department of Education, EPA, HUD, and Department of Commerce,

Agree.

Education- End public education. Support private schools, charter schools, and homeschooling. Stop ALL federal funding for universities. Let the colleges fund themselves (like Hillsdale) College is only for ACADEMICS (not for partying and drinking) Most kids do not belong in college. Create separatespecialized “colleges’ for athletes.

Government shouldn't be involved, period.

Agriculture- End the service economy. Make agriculture a cornerstone of the nation.

Who will make agriculture a cornerstone?

Environmentalism- “climate change” is a fraud. Continue looking for alternative energy sources, but don’t put coal and oil companies out of business.

Let the market decide.

Morality/Values- Stand for traditional morality and values. Create strong sense of American nationalism. Strongly oppose multiculturalism and affirmative action. Make English official language of America. Ban ALL pornography. Anyone who creates or distributes porn of any kind should be punished with 50 years in prison. Put homosexuality back on the list of mental illnesses, No more government funding of “transgender” programs of any kind. Stop glorifying perverts. America should be a nation with Christian values. We must not lose our Western heritage. Our culture is superior because our religion is true. Abandoning Christianity will ultimately destroy our culture.

Some of this makes sense, some of this is just authoritarian garbage.

Other- Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments. Pass a Balanced Budget Amendment. Strict term limits for ALL politicians.

I agree.

 

[William Tell]

I think some of the comments in this thread are out of line.

The original poster stated in another thread that he is 16 years old. Assuming that is the case, please keep that in mind. Addressing and discussing issues is always good, who knows, you may change his mind towards your own points of view.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Platform

Eh, I'm in the mood to respond to this so let's go.

Marriage- Between one man and one woman

Agreed, also I do support criminalizing homosexual behavior with a death penalty if there are two or more witnesses.

Abortion- Totally illegal l(a life is a life no matter what. If a woman is raped and gets pregnant, kill the rapist and let the child live)

Agreed.

Death Penalty- Legal in all states (make rape and pedophilia punishable by death)

Under the current administrative structure the Feds can't impose things on the States (though they do so) and frankly I'd like to keep it that way as long as possible. Though really America should just be split into 50 or even more nations and just be done with it. Under current administrative structure I would not allow the Feds to change state laws on death penalties but I do think the states should pass the death penalties you mention.

Animal Rights- Secerely punish animal abuse. Animal abuse should result in a mental evaluation of the abuser, harsh prison sentence, and possible death sentence.

I don't see any Biblical warrant for animal rights enforced by law. Even worse... the Bible clearly opposes the use of prisons. Prisons are used by authoritarian regimes in scripture but the Law of Moses does not allow for them.

Drug use- Totally illegal for recreational purposes. Legal but strictly regulated for medicinal purposes.

I'm against this. Regulation of substances is not the role of the civil magistrate and that's an abuse of the authority that God gave them. While I do agree that some substances cannot be used without sin (ie. any substance that would replicate the mental effects of drunkenness even with "moderate" use) I do not think intoxication, or even driving while intoxicated, would fall under the authority of the magistrate.

Gun Control- Very little (keep guns away from the mentally ill and violent felons)

No, allowing government to define "mentally ill" and preemptively punish them is not Biblical and also very dangerous. "violent felons" also should not be prohibited once they have paid their penalty, though a Biblical magistrate would use the death penalty a fair bit more often than they do now. Most non-capital violent crimes should be punished by flogging, restitution, or both. No prisons and no permanent lists.

Foreign Policy- Non-interventionism (NO MORE unneeded foreign entanglements. Only consider war if there is an IMMEDIATE threat to the US. Let the Middle East deal with itself. Palestinian state is needed for Israel to remain Jewish. Gradually end ALL foreign aid. Get us OUT of the UN immediately. )

Essentially I agree with this, although I would also note that there is no theological reason why Israel must remain Jewish (ie. rejecting dispensationalism is essential for a Christian magistrate to rule properly.

Immigration- Deport all illegal aliens (we owe them nothing) Stop all legal immigration until the unemployment rate is 2% or less.

Disagree. While I do support laws limiting citizenship to Protestant monergistic Christians I do not think the magistrate should prevent anyone from choosing to dwell in the land as an alien. Though proselytization of any false religion should be strictly illegal.

Taxes- Teriff based revenue system supplemented by excise taxes. (drastically cut taxes on businesses) Taxes should go to basics like plice, firefighters, and defense. Abolish Estate tax, Death tax, and Payroll tax.

Taxes must total less than 10% of each individual's income (see 1 Samuel 8) and I'd say ideally less than 5% in ordinary conditions. Firefighters should be privatized. The modern conception of policing should be done away with and replaced with a system where cops are purely reactive (ie. respond when called.)

Economy- Free-market capitalism. Protectionist trade policy.(Strongly oppose free trade. Put high tariffs on all imported goods) Focus on American industry and manufacturing. Go back to Gold Standard.

No protectionism. I could live with a tariff as the means of raising revenue if all other taxes were done away with but it shouldn't be for protectionism.

Welfare- End ALL forms of welfare(food stamps, poor housing, Medicaid, etc) The governments job is government, not charity.

Agree.

Healthcare- Slightly regulated free-market healthcare system.

No regulations.

Federal Bureaucracy- Abolish IRS, Department of Education, EPA, HUD, and Department of Commerce,

Good.

Education- End public education. Support private schools, charter schools, and homeschooling. Stop ALL federal funding for universities. Let the colleges fund themselves (like Hillsdale) College is only for ACADEMICS (not for partying and drinking) Most kids do not belong in college. Create separatespecialized “colleges’ for athletes.

OK. I'd sum this up as "government should have no role in education" which I'd agree with (though government SHOULD shut down any school that teaches in opposition to Christianity.)

Agriculture- End the service economy. Make agriculture a cornerstone of the nation.

I don't think this should be up to the magistrate.

Environmentalism- “climate change” is a fraud. Continue looking for alternative energy sources, but don’t put coal and oil companies out of business.

OK

Morality/Values- Stand for traditional morality and values. Create strong sense of American nationalism. Strongly oppose multiculturalism and affirmative action. Make English official language of America. Ban ALL pornography. Anyone who creates or distributes porn of any kind should be punished with 50 years in prison. Put homosexuality back on the list of mental illnesses, No more government funding of “transgender” programs of any kind. Stop glorifying perverts. America should be a nation with Christian values. We must not lose our Western heritage. Our culture is superior because our religion is true. Abandoning Christianity will ultimately destroy our culture.

I'm against nationalism. I don't care about multiculturalism per say... non-Christian culture should be opposed but it doesn't matter if its "American" or not. I'm against an official language there's no warrant for that. Agree on Christian values. Not really for a "mental illness" list though homosexual contact should be a civil crime and potential death penalty offense. I'm for banning porn though I'm against prison as a form of punishment. I'm not sure exactly what would be proportional to the offense in this case, but at the very least we should start with the Biblical framework for punishment (which is to say restitution, flogging, or death)

[/QUOTE]Other- Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments. Pass a Balanced Budget Amendment. Strict term limits for ALL politicians.[/QUOTE]

Not sure how I feel about term limits but its not a big deal to me. Add the 19th to the amendments repealed. Balanced budget is a must.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I think some of the comments in this thread are out of line.

The original poster stated in another thread that he is 16 years old. Assuming that is the case, please keep that in mind. Addressing and discussing issues is always good, who knows, you may change his mind towards your own points of view.

Wow... he's ahead of where I was when I was 16

 

[Christian Liberty]

Oh, abortion will always be there. The question is whether the procedures will be ones performed by medical professionals, or ones performed illicitly that have a risk of killing both the fetus and the mother (or using unsafe methods that are likely painful for the fetus - think coathangers).

It sounds to me like you only accept arguments about what happens when markets are regulated when it suits your purposes. The cold, hard fact is that there is a market for abortions, and making it illegal amounts to a regulation that will have unforeseen consequences, much like the war on drugs and Prohibition.

I definitely agree that all rapists should be shot, though. Not through a state-sponsored execution, but victims absolutely have a right to self-defense.

Seriously, I know most pro-lifers are pathetically inconsistent on this, but your argument with abortion will NEVER convince someone who is truly pro-life. And frankly, if the person even CARES about the hardship of the wannabe murderess I question how pro-life they really are.

Since I don't really give a crap about what secular humanists are going to think of me, I'll just state it straight out. A woman who dies with a "coathanger abortion" is getting exactly what she deserves. And if she was caught trying, the civil authorites should put her to death just as soon as the baby is born.

There: is that enough "compassion" for you?

The only reason these ridiculous arguments are even tried is because most pro-lifers aren't actually consistent about the truth. But abortion IS murder and it should be punished accordingly.