What causes conflict between Christian Conservative Republicans and libertarians?

[dude58677]

They bought the war in Iraq.
As the local ones have told me... its God's war... and we are there for a reason. (supposedly biblical)

This is it. I have a relative who said that "The Bible says we have to accept good and bad leaders." I got in a debate after I said that violation of the Constitution is an act of perjury because oaths are taken.

 

[PatriotOne]

I don't mean to christian bash LE. I call it tough love. The dogma of Christianity is a lie and it has retarded the growth of spirituality for thousands of years. God does rule through fear, dictators do.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

First off, most Evangelicals do NOT believe in any of this "protecting Israel at all costs" BS. Those are a minority but they are useful fools for the zionist-owned media, which distors everything they can to further their agenda.

Secondly, I think the reason is that some Conservative Christians have distaste for libertarianism is that these folks are most conservative in regards to social issues. And when it comes to social issues, they see the libertarians as little different than the most left liberals, since even the left liberals will hide their agenda with fork-tongue, while libertarians do not.

That's why Ron Paul has been the ideal candidate to appeal to CCRs as a libertarian. He is socially conservative, but in a way that is consistent with libertarian and constitutional principles (which is why he could get the LP and CP supporters he received). He can also appeal to Christians whose bible prophecy beliefs have been co-opted by the neo-cons into an unconditional defense of everything Israel does. One way to do this is for us to STOP BASHING the Bible, and decouple the neocon's distortions of it for political purposes.

Evangelicals could be sold on a Paulian version of libertarianism if their affection for Israel could be embraced, then spun in our direction. That is, concede we are in the end time, that the judgment is close, but remind them that God will be judging Israel for its unrighteous conduct towards its neighbors and the Palestinians. Support for Israel the nation can be distinguished from support for the policies of its government, just as you can love America without embracing the Obama administration (this argument should be easier to make to Republicans now with the Democrats back in control).

 

[PatriotOne]

That is not Christianity, PatriotOne. It's some asshole who is running a scam.

And yet I wonder how many christian followers he has to have to have his own TV show?

 

[LibertyEagle]

What's your goal, PatriotOne? Do you honestly think that what you are doing is furthering the freedom movement?

C'mon, you're better than this.

 

[PatriotOne]

Through my research, I have noticed that I am somewhat agreeing with a luciferian egregore--that sounds like a capital idea! Jane/joe six-pack deserve everything coming their way...

What a scam...They do this because they can...

My research into the Luciferianism doctrine is sadly lacking but the more I research Christianity, the more I suspect I am agreeing with Lucifer .

 

[LibertyEagle]

I don't mean to christian bash LE. I call it tough love. The dogma of Christianity is a lie and it has retarded the growth of spirituality for thousands of years. God does rule through fear, dictators do.

That's your OPINION. You have a right to it, but it would also be great if you would respect others' right to have a different one.

My research into the Luciferianism doctrine is sadly lacking but the more I research Christianity, the more I suspect I am agreeing with Lucifer .

Maybe this explains the change in your behavior.

 

[PatriotOne]

What's your goal, PatriotOne? Do you honestly think that what you are doing is furthering the freedom movement?

C'mon, you're better than this.

Christianity is a huge part of the reason we are in this mess LE. But until you are willing to go look at your religion objectively and honestly, you will never understand that.

 

[PatriotOne]

That's your OPINION. You have a right to it, but it would also be great if you would respect others' right to have a different one.

That would be fine and dandy if Christianity kept to themselves but they don't. They insist on spreading their false doctrine all over the world and having religous wars and committing genocide in the name of their false God.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Christianity is a huge part of the reason we are in this mess LE. But until you are willing to go look at your religion objectively and honestly, you will never understand that.

They contributed, sure. Just like how YOU are contributing with this divisive BS. Until you are willing to look at that objectively and honestly, you will be nothing but a drain on this movement.

Here's the thing that you don't seem to get, even though you've been told many times. Most of us who are Christian in this movement, DO NOT AGREE with the interpretation that those who are supporting the neocon agenda, seem to have. Yet, you bash us, along with everyone else. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting DAMN sick and tired of it.

There are guidelines about this bullshit. Maybe they should start being applied.

 

[lucius]

My research into the Luciferianism doctrine is sadly lacking but the more I research Christianity, the more I suspect I am agreeing with Lucifer .

more light, more light--worshipful master...

How’s this for property rights?

Their possessions are "like unclaimed land in the desert." Baba Bathra 54b (Babylonian talmud)

Hell yea, god is telling me to tell you to charge this on your credit card and then he will help you pay it off--P.T. Barnum would of been a great televangelist:

"There's a sucker born every minute."

 

[LibertyEagle]

That would be fine and dandy if Christianity kept to themselves but they don't. They insist on spreading their false doctrine all over the world and having religous wars and committing genocide in the name of their false God.

Christianity didn't start this crap and if you don't know that, you don't know much of anything at all. It was started by a bunch of Atheist assholes, who have a God complex of THEMSELVES. The goal has always been to get rid of Christianity. That way you can give your full allegiance to THEM. I'm not saying that some misled Christians haven't fallen into the trap, because they HAVE. They are helping in their own destruction. I'm none too happy about that either. But, so are many atheists, agnostics and everything in-between.

"This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage."

--Dr. Ron Paul

 

[micahnelson]

Faith in Christ leads you to love your neighbor as yourself, live at peace with all men to the best of your ability, care for those who cannot care for themselves, and keep yourself pure.

When Christians collectively get involved with politics it is only because they want the world to reflect their beliefs. The only legitimate method a Christian has to enforce morality on another person is, by example and testimony, to change the heart and mind of a non believer.

Ignorant Christians, like any other group, cannot tell the difference between, "I think things should be this way" and "There should be a law that things are this way."

Ignorant Christians vote for vice laws because they think such things are bad. They think people shouldn't hire hookers, get stoned, and watch porn. The real solution is to change the heart, but instead they just enforce it at the barrel of the gun. They love big brother.

Ignorant Mom's vote for Internet regulation because they don't understand the internet, and assume it is full of child molestors who can play a magic tune to kidnap kids. The real solution is to watch your kids, but they run to big brother.

Ignorant Enviornmentalists vote for environmental protection laws because they think that every bird is sacred. Well who knows, maybe they are. Change people's minds, don't call the po po everytime a family wants to build a tree house.

I could go on...

My point is this. Special interest groups stopped trying to change our minds and started trying to change our laws. This leads to division and anger. Usually there is a big chunk of cash behind these movements too. Politicians cater to the whims of these groups because it gets them elected.

When we learn to love our freedom, more than we hate everyone else s freedom, then we will have liberty.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I agree with that, for the most part.

 

[PatriotOne]

Christianity didn't start this crap and if you don't know that, you don't know much of anything at all. It was started by a bunch of Atheist assholes, who have a God complex of THEMSELVES. The goal has always been to get rid of Christianity. That way you can give your full allegiance to THEM. I'm not saying that some misled Christians haven't fallen into the trap, because they HAVE. They are helping in their own destruction. I'm none too happy about that either. But, so are many atheists, agnostics and everything in-between.

You could not be more wrong if you think this is a battle between Christianity and Atheism.

 

[lucius]

Faith in Christ leads you to love your neighbor as yourself, live at peace with all men to the best of your ability, care for those who cannot care for themselves, and keep yourself pure.

When Christians collectively get involved with politics it is only because they want the world to reflect their beliefs. The only legitimate method a Christian has to enforce morality on another person is, by example and testimony, to change the heart and mind of a non believer.

Ignorant Christians, like any other group, cannot tell the difference between, "I think things should be this way" and "There should be a law that things are this way."

Ignorant Christians vote for vice laws because they think such things are bad. They think people shouldn't hire hookers, get stoned, and watch porn. The real solution is to change the heart, but instead they just enforce it at the barrel of the gun. They love big brother.

Ignorant Mom's vote for Internet regulation because they don't understand the internet, and assume it is full of child molestors who can play a magic tune to kidnap kids. The real solution is to watch your kids, but they run to big brother.

Ignorant Enviornmentalists vote for environmental protection laws because they think that every bird is sacred. Well who knows, maybe they are. Change people's minds, don't call the po po everytime a family wants to build a tree house.

I could go on...

My point is this. Special interest groups stopped trying to change our minds and started trying to change our laws. This leads to division and anger. Usually there is a big chunk of cash behind these movements too. Politicians cater to the whims of these groups because it gets them elected.

When we learn to love our freedom, more than we hate everyone else s freedom, then we will have liberty.

Take it a step further...it has been successfully infiltrated since the get-go and twisted for control, perhaps even created for control and went wayward. But even that is far better than this new inculcated dialectic materialistic secular humanism, because with that non-moral compass, under stress, we will eat each other, as intended, instead of turning on the state. So these belief structures contrary to 'policy agenda' have to go...be it true-torah, islam, christianity, buddha etc...leviathan has low mileage from the love-thy-neighbor-as-thyself-crowd and mostly equates it all in the media to a form religious insanity, but with this new inculcated dialectic materialistic secular humanism--we will be shoving each other into the camps and liking it...look to china, it's a reality there, ie. it works, religion has been almost eradicated and tv has been put in it's place--pretty much like in amerika. Big difference between spirituality and organized religion:

 

[ClayTrainor]

They're just angry and cant admit that they bought into a stupid war.

 

[torchbearer]

Faith in Christ leads you to love your neighbor as yourself, live at peace with all men to the best of your ability, care for those who cannot care for themselves, and keep yourself pure.

When Christians collectively get involved with politics it is only because they want the world to reflect their beliefs. The only legitimate method a Christian has to enforce morality on another person is, by example and testimony, to change the heart and mind of a non believer.

Ignorant Christians, like any other group, cannot tell the difference between, "I think things should be this way" and "There should be a law that things are this way."

Ignorant Christians vote for vice laws because they think such things are bad. They think people shouldn't hire hookers, get stoned, and watch porn. The real solution is to change the heart, but instead they just enforce it at the barrel of the gun. They love big brother.

Ignorant Mom's vote for Internet regulation because they don't understand the internet, and assume it is full of child molestors who can play a magic tune to kidnap kids. The real solution is to watch your kids, but they run to big brother.

Ignorant Enviornmentalists vote for environmental protection laws because they think that every bird is sacred. Well who knows, maybe they are. Change people's minds, don't call the po po everytime a family wants to build a tree house.

I could go on...

My point is this. Special interest groups stopped trying to change our minds and started trying to change our laws. This leads to division and anger. Usually there is a big chunk of cash behind these movements too. Politicians cater to the whims of these groups because it gets them elected.

When we learn to love our freedom, more than we hate everyone else s freedom, then we will have liberty.

I think you nailed it.

 

[torchbearer]

They're just angry and cant admit that they bought into a stupid war.

Yeah, that's part of it. Said it earlier... and to insult your intelligence, they try to justify it with the bible.

 

[amy31416]

Faith in Christ leads you to love your neighbor as yourself, live at peace with all men to the best of your ability, care for those who cannot care for themselves, and keep yourself pure.

When Christians collectively get involved with politics it is only because they want the world to reflect their beliefs. The only legitimate method a Christian has to enforce morality on another person is, by example and testimony, to change the heart and mind of a non believer.

Ignorant Christians, like any other group, cannot tell the difference between, "I think things should be this way" and "There should be a law that things are this way."

Ignorant Christians vote for vice laws because they think such things are bad. They think people shouldn't hire hookers, get stoned, and watch porn. The real solution is to change the heart, but instead they just enforce it at the barrel of the gun. They love big brother.

Ignorant Mom's vote for Internet regulation because they don't understand the internet, and assume it is full of child molestors who can play a magic tune to kidnap kids. The real solution is to watch your kids, but they run to big brother.

Ignorant Enviornmentalists vote for environmental protection laws because they think that every bird is sacred. Well who knows, maybe they are. Change people's minds, don't call the po po everytime a family wants to build a tree house.

I could go on...

My point is this. Special interest groups stopped trying to change our minds and started trying to change our laws. This leads to division and anger. Usually there is a big chunk of cash behind these movements too. Politicians cater to the whims of these groups because it gets them elected.

When we learn to love our freedom, more than we hate everyone else s freedom, then we will have liberty.

*Applauds*