What can I say to a socialist that says libertarians don't care about poor people?
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Tell him if he's worried about poor people, you'll be happy to take his paycheck and spread it around to help those in need. If he objects, tell him he doesn't care about poor people.
Make them put their money where their mouth is (literally). Works every time.
Make them put their money where their mouth is (literally). Works every time.
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i promise you that wont work everytime, especially with this guy
anyway, i said most of the things in this thread already =)
he's kind of like a class clown kinda person... his facebook message said that obama isnt a real socilaist
he calls himself 70% socialist, 30% libertarian... o...k...
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Explain to them the concept of charity.
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i promise you that wont work everytime, especially with this guy
anyway, i said most of the things in this thread already =)
he's kind of like a class clown kinda person... his facebook message said that obama isnt a real socilaist
he calls himself 70% socialist, 30% libertarian... o...k...
Well, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. At some point you may have to just shake the dust off your feet and move on.
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yup, did that too
i get him to agree with me a lot too... but whatever... hes probably not anywhere near as serious about these things as we are
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When you subsidize something, you get more of it. Government subsidizes poverty by throwing money at it. We get more poverty.
Also, go ask the five million Ukrainians how socialism worked out for them. Oh wait, you can't; they're all dead.
Also, go ask the five million Ukrainians how socialism worked out for them. Oh wait, you can't; they're all dead.
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Poor people don't care about poor people, including me. lol
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Tell him this
Explain to him that economic freedom brings people out of poverty. There's not a single country in history that has a free markets and a high percentage of people in poverty. But there is an endless list of countries where they have big socialist governments that are out to help the poor that have massive amounts of people living in poverty. Not just places that have dictators. Some of these places have democracy too. Look at India, China, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. Go to nationmaster.com and show him the statistics. If you add up all the money the US spends on reducing poverty, it amounts to $40,000 per poor person. They would do better to just give them the money.
Maybe you can also use the example of child labor. So before countries industrialized, parents would send their children off to work. Not because businesses were unethical and luring children into these jobs but because families would starve to death if they didn't make their children work. Then, as the economy grew, people started earning more real wealth and suddenly parents could afford the luxury of sending their kids to school instead of work. Governments didn't end child labor and lift people out of poverty. There are plenty of examples in places like Africa where child labor is against the law but they work illegally because if they don't, they will starve to death.
Explain to him that economic freedom brings people out of poverty. There's not a single country in history that has a free markets and a high percentage of people in poverty. But there is an endless list of countries where they have big socialist governments that are out to help the poor that have massive amounts of people living in poverty. Not just places that have dictators. Some of these places have democracy too. Look at India, China, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. Go to nationmaster.com and show him the statistics. If you add up all the money the US spends on reducing poverty, it amounts to $40,000 per poor person. They would do better to just give them the money.
Maybe you can also use the example of child labor. So before countries industrialized, parents would send their children off to work. Not because businesses were unethical and luring children into these jobs but because families would starve to death if they didn't make their children work. Then, as the economy grew, people started earning more real wealth and suddenly parents could afford the luxury of sending their kids to school instead of work. Governments didn't end child labor and lift people out of poverty. There are plenty of examples in places like Africa where child labor is against the law but they work illegally because if they don't, they will starve to death.
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I would think the obvious answer would be to get as many hearts and minds over to our cause as possible.
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What does that mean??
I get a much higher percentage of leftist leaning people interested in Ron Paul than republicans.
All you have to do is show them page 76 and 77 of Revolution: A Manifesto and tell them that he wants to bring our troops home from over 130 countries that we currently occupy and that he wants to end the war on drugs. It's in the bag.
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Say what the greats have said before.
"Capitalism is the unequal sharing of prosperity. Socialism is the equal spread of misery."
-Winston Churchill
Also you can say what I usually say when somebody asks why I don't want "free" healthcare.
I reply, "I would rather be able to have a job in a free market economy to be able to pay for what I need, including healthcare, then to have it given to me by the government."
I continue, "There is also nothing 'free' about healthcare. If you choose to have 'free' healthcare, you're still going to be spending money for it. The difference is that you will be forced to spend your money (through taxes) into a healthcare system run by the f'ing bloated inefficient government, rather than you choosing your own insurance plan and doctors."
I also would add, "By the way, it is a myth that 'free' healthcare does not exist for the poor. It already exists. Universal healthcare will essentially require even those who can afford healthcare to have the same, government-run care."
"Even if there is a 2 tiered system, the private companies even if they are efficient and well-run, cannot compete with a crappy government entity, since that government run entity can be as bloated and inefficient a it wants and just asks Congress for more taxpayer money."
That's what I usually say and people are speechless. BTW, there really is 'free' healthcare for the poor to anybody who wants it. This fact seems lost to many.
"Capitalism is the unequal sharing of prosperity. Socialism is the equal spread of misery."
-Winston Churchill
Also you can say what I usually say when somebody asks why I don't want "free" healthcare.
I reply, "I would rather be able to have a job in a free market economy to be able to pay for what I need, including healthcare, then to have it given to me by the government."
I continue, "There is also nothing 'free' about healthcare. If you choose to have 'free' healthcare, you're still going to be spending money for it. The difference is that you will be forced to spend your money (through taxes) into a healthcare system run by the f'ing bloated inefficient government, rather than you choosing your own insurance plan and doctors."
I also would add, "By the way, it is a myth that 'free' healthcare does not exist for the poor. It already exists. Universal healthcare will essentially require even those who can afford healthcare to have the same, government-run care."
"Even if there is a 2 tiered system, the private companies even if they are efficient and well-run, cannot compete with a crappy government entity, since that government run entity can be as bloated and inefficient a it wants and just asks Congress for more taxpayer money."
That's what I usually say and people are speechless. BTW, there really is 'free' healthcare for the poor to anybody who wants it. This fact seems lost to many.
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