What are you doing to make them regret what they did?

[Zack]

"Them", meaning people like Priebus, Romney, any cheating local party leaders, any dishonest journalists, etc. Even if you put aside personal gratification and think pragmatically, it is a pretty important question.

Repudiating all Republican party affiliation probably has the opposite effect on most of the people that have wronged you. Doing things like voting 3rd party, supporting alternative news, and educating others have a positive effect, but they can't really be said to cause any short-term regret, since they are just some of the good, but predictable consequences that the establishment already knew it would have to deal with.

What I'm curious about is what are you doing to really change the game, short-term? What are some of the things you've done that could theoretically cause them to say "UGH, maybe this is more trouble than it was worth."

Here's a great example. Watch these guys addressing both Boehner and the people who came to see him:



Now, general "protesting" obviously falls in the category of stuff that the establishment isn't too worried about, but having people go to your small public speaking engagements, respectfully citing a specific point, mentioning that they themselves are Republicans, speaking to both Boehner and the people standing right friggen next to him is exactly the kind of thing that, if you multiply it in other areas, and add other techniques to the mix, can really make someone start to feel a selfish kind of regret, at least for some part of what they've done.

Have you donated anything to http://www.GrandOldPrinciples.com to help promote this video yet?



That certainly could help do the trick. Have you submitted it for consideration to news and blog sites? I am running it, and will stop accepting donations at the end of this weekend, because it takes time to transfer money, so now would be your last chance on that front.

Are there any similiar, hopefully better campaigns you know of to help promote? I'm kind of disappointed to say I don't know of any. Also, looking past November, do you plan to keep up the heat in the off-year? Share what you've been doing to cause them regret, and how others might do it, too.

 

[fr33]

I'm continuing to point out what a fraud Mitt Romney is and how he is more dangerous than Barrack Obama.

 

[Carson]

Not sure.

 

[nobody's_hero]

I've pretty much made my case against Romney and the RNC power-brokers and I'm trying to wait 2 more weeks (feels like forever) for people to come running back to me, admitting that I was right to think Romney couldn't win it from the start, and they are ready to listen to a message that will help them win next time.

Of course, if Romney wins, well . . . I guess I'll have to wait for things to get worse and they're ready to listen again.

Right now, talking about what happened during the primaries and at the convention, is like standing in front of a freight train heading for a bridge that's gone out. Best to let them go ahead and crash and check for survivors later.

 

[Icymudpuppy]

I am really trying to kick start a third party organization in my county to challenge the two party rule.

 

[Zack]

Right now, talking about what happened during the primaries and at the convention, is like standing in front of a freight train heading for a bridge that's gone out. Best to let them go ahead and crash and check for survivors later.

Not sure.

These seem to me to be perfectly contradicting ideas, and I think the second is closer to correct, although not in the sense that the masses outside the movement don't know their own power, but that the people within the movement are exactly the same way. I would say that the people at that Boehner event did the work of a thousand men, and that the people that were at home that day in that area did the work of zero men. I would say that we are the freight train, even in non-campaign mode, which sadly I think we larglely are.

What the video examples above have in common is that they're both simple and irrefutable. That makes them weapons of immense power, even if it's one voice against a million voices. Most of what we fight against is irrefutable- IF you are smart enough and dedicate enough time to study. But what was done in 2012 was so simple that- well, look at that bearded guy in the first video. You can almost SEE him deflate before your eyes, because even though he set up blockers in his brain to keep out ideas, the things are so easy to understand that they seep through. This is both simple AND irrefutable. Immense power, and we (most of us, anyway) haven't been using it? Where is this timidity and docility coming from?

But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it?
-Orwell, 1984

We might have the enemy without outgunned, but I think the enemy within has us by the short and curlies.

 

[LibertyEagle]

In my opinion, the best way to get the establishment for cheating is to not just complain to them about what they did, because they clearly do not care. It is to get in position and to help our own liberty candidates get elected. Because if we do that, this will cause more pain to the establishment than anything we can say to them personally.

 

[Endthefednow]

I am writing in Ron Paul For Prez

 

[puppetmaster]

the only ones that will regret anything will be the citizens. The Government wins no matter what what puppet in chief get elected

 

[rpfocus]

In my opinion, the best way to get the establishment for cheating is to not just complain to them about what they did, because they clearly do not care. It is to get in position and to help our own liberty candidates get elected. Because if we do that, this will cause more pain to the establishment than anything we can say to them personally.

Well put.

 

[nobody's_hero]

LE is right about complaining to people who don't care, though. Right now, we can't seem to reason with either democrats or republicans, because everyone is unquestioningly following their leader to election day. If you try to point out that the RNC (or DNC as well) used a teleprompter to determine the votes at the conventions, those people aren't going to believe you. Correction: they don't WANT to believe you, at this moment. They're in campaign mode, and it's far too politically costly, even intellectually painful, for someone to admit to themselves that 'my team' screwed up. So, they just put on their blinders and go full steam ahead. Let 'em ride it out for two more weeks but when reality hits them and they're trying to figure out where they went wrong, be prepared to fill the void.

One side is going to lose, and they'll be in a better position to listen when they do.

 

[sparebulb]

If Romney loses the election, this does not mean that the neo-cons lose. After all, neo-cons are part of the Democrat Party.

 

[Dianne]

Just stop tuning into to their MSNBC, CNN, FOX; and all the other politically owned news media.

I believe this is a fixed election to begin with... Obama was the man the United Nations already chose to be elected President.

It looks kinda of good, and FOX News, CNN, MSNBC all doing their jobs to make this look like an election.

But, I believe no way in hell if the GOP was really serious about winning; why would they allienate 7% (at least) of the electorate? Why in the hell would a party really sincere about winning, unseat delegates, defame their constituents ....

Because they don't want to win ... This will be UN's second term... If all goes well for them, they will then have the third term and so on.

 

[Zack]

I imagine that everyone agrees that complaining to people about what they did doesn't do anything, so I'm not sure if that's meant to be a reference to something in a video or a post, but if it is, I would suggest taking them in again. I don't think that has much to do with what they're really about.

But as I said, the question covers a great number of possible tactics, and can boil down to: What are some of the things you've done that could theoretically cause them to say "UGH, maybe this is more trouble than it was worth"?

That, of course in addition to shouldering them out of power. They aren't mutually exclusive ideas, and if you think we don't have the tools to make them get that feeling anyway, well, you're actually right. In the sense of the famous saying: "Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right." But if ol' Reince and co. are reading these boards lately, they are pinching themselves, thinking something along the lines of "Holy granola, now that they actually finally have us where they want us... they don't know it! "

 

[Monotaur]

In my opinion, the best way to get the establishment for cheating is to not just complain to them about what they did, because they clearly do not care. It is to get in position and to help our own liberty candidates get elected. Because if we do that, this will cause more pain to the establishment than anything we can say to them personally.

Truth.

We are doing this at a local level, and gaining power to start voting out mid-level folks. If we do this in enough places, we can start to change things. And beyond just lip service to the Constitution, free markets, and liberty.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

i will continue to keep ron paul stickers on the jeep. his name will always be in public if i have a say. his message will never be forgotten.

 

[rpfocus]

Truth.

We are doing this at a local level, and gaining power to start voting out mid-level folks. If we do this in enough places, we can start to change things. And beyond just lip service to the Constitution, free markets, and liberty.

Bingo.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Truth.

We are doing this at a local level, and gaining power to start voting out mid-level folks. If we do this in enough places, we can start to change things. And beyond just lip service to the Constitution, free markets, and liberty.

/quoted

Kerry FTW!