What are some people's problem with Ron Paul supporting Homeschooling?

[ConstitutionGal]

look at the people who are not voting for him.....do you want these same people learning their children???? people cant afford to stay home in these days....it takes 2 parents to survive unlike the 50s..... for someone who makes 100000+ a year it would be allright....but our economy and people don't want to spend 24 hrs a day with their children...but i think it should be the parents call if they want...its not mandatory though...

For parents who really have their children's best interests at heart and want to homeschool, they can do what we do; I work days and my husband works nights so one of us is always home. He teaches certain subjects during the day and I teach others after dinner. Granted, my husband and I don't see one another as much as we'd like but we are making the sacrifice in order to provide our children with what we deem most important for thier futures. Kinda reminds me of supporting Ron Paul. It's all about getting your priorities in order and then making arrangements to see them through.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I prefer that my children not be brainwashed into thinking that everything good must be accomplished in groups or that we are all decended from apes or that the government has the right to the fruits of our labors. Does that give me some right to force you to NOT teach those things to your children? No. Therefore, no one else has the right to tell me what to teach my own.

Oh... so you don't believe in evolution! I guess you think you know more about science than actual scientists and a mountain of empirical evidence a mile high!

Again, how would you feel if you heard home-schoolers were brainwashing their kids into Satanism or radical Islam? Would you be okay with that?

 

[Trigonx]

Oh... so you don't believe in evolution! I guess you think you know more about science than actual scientists and a mountain of empirical evidence a mile high!

Again, how would you feel if you heard home-schoolers were brainwashing their kids into Satanism or radical Islam? Would you be okay with that?

stop already dude, Agree to disagree or something.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

So well said, I applaud you. Socialist indoctrination in the public schools and seeping into some private schools. Paganism/'Mother Earth' worship and global warming hysteria with no counter arguments, bashing of conservative values and the Constitution in whatever way they are doing it, moral relativism being taught....talk about unfair to kids!!!

Who does someone else think they are trying to say someone teaching their kids their religion is unfair? Sounds like the I know what's better for your kid than you do type! Sounds like they don't believe in freedom of religion to a certain degree. I think someone thinking the kids should attend public schools where they are indoctrinated into believing evolution as fact and socialism as good is unfair!!

I don't believe in a public school system at all, it's too communist in nature. Of course, if we didn't have the income tax and other ridiculous taxes and inflation, people would be able to home school or work with a carefully selected private school where the parents help pick out the curriculum. There are people that could home school right now for example, but don't. Other people could downsize their life and homeschool/private school, but won't. Their lifestyle is more important than their child's education and mental state.

I could write a book about all the un-proven and dis-proven nonsense that is being passed off to this nation's children as fact. Revisionist history, situational ethics, junk-science, new-new math, look-say reading, globalism, socialism and the list goes on and on. Frankly, we spend less time now home-schooling than we did un-teaching when the kids were still in public schools and have a lot less behavorial problems and attitude problems than we ever did when they were subjected to all the peer pressure and brain-washing.

 

[Paulbot_9876]

Oh... so you don't believe in evolution! I guess you think you know more about science than actual scientists and a mountain of empirical evidence a mile high!

Again, how would you feel if you heard home-schoolers were brainwashing their kids into Satanism or radical Islam? Would you be okay with that?

have you ever seen a dog turn into a cat????? a dog can evolve into a diffrent kinda dog but it cant evolve into a bird....evolution is not proven to be true either...what proof can you show us of this that has not been debunked yet????
i would like for you to post an example of evidence of evolution....

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Oh... so you don't believe in evolution! I guess you think you know more about science than actual scientists and a mountain of empirical evidence a mile high!

Again, how would you feel if you heard home-schoolers were brainwashing their kids into Satanism or radical Islam? Would you be okay with that?

I believe that cetain things do 'evolve' over time - more along the lines of survival of the fittest. Do I believe my ancestors crawled out of the ooz after some 'big bang'? Not on your life! You and I could go back and forth for months with 'scientists' on both sides of this fence, so it matters not what some THINK. There's a reason it's called the 'THEORY of evoluion' and there's a reason for that 'missing link' -- it's still missing and probably always will be.

Frankly, if my neighbor wants to teach their chldren Wiccan, Islam or anything else, as long as they don't interfere with MY rights and my children's rights, I couldn't conceivably care less. The problem comes in when something is stolen from to support teaching my children anything that I find objectionable or disagreeable. As I believe, as do many others, that the Good Lord gave my children to me to raise and not the state, it is up to me to do so and I will be the one that will someday have to answer to my Maker on how good a job I did.

 

[Drea]

Oh... so you don't believe in evolution! I guess you think you know more about science than actual scientists and a mountain of empirical evidence a mile high!

Again, how would you feel if you heard home-schoolers were brainwashing their kids into Satanism or radical Islam? Would you be okay with that?

Radical Islam?

Are you sure you're with the right candidate here? I'm thinking you're not.

If you believe that we should all have something to fear with people teaching their kids a religion --or radical islamofacism-- then you belong to another candidate.

Hmmm, McCain? Rudy?

You mean we have something to fear right here in America? Something that "the children" need to be protected against? Oh yes, for the children....

WOW!

Drea

 

[jesse27]

I would like to know who were the direct predacessers to the human species, and what proof supports it, for those who adamintly insist that evolution should be tought with no alternatives, concerning human origins.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I believe that cetain things do 'evolve' over time - more along the lines of survival of the fittest. Do I believe my ancestors crawled out of the ooz after some 'big bang'? Not on your life! You and I could go back and forth for months with 'scientists' on both sides of this fence, so it matters not what some THINK. There's a reason it's called the 'THEORY of evolution' and there's a reason for that 'missing link' -- it's still missing and probably always will be.

Frankly, if my neighbor wants to teach their children Wiccan, Islam or anything else, as long as they don't interfere with MY rights and my children's rights, I couldn't conceivably care less. The problem comes in when something is stolen from to support teaching my children anything that I find objectionable or disagreeable. As I believe, as do many others, that the Good Lord gave my children to me to raise and not the state, it is up to me to do so and I will be the one that will someday have to answer to my Maker on how good a job I did.

Well at least your views are consistent, although I suspect you may not be telling us the full truth when you claim you couldn't "care less" if people were home-schooling their children in Satanism. Perhaps I am wrong. I personally I would be worried about that! These children are defenseless against brainwashing by their parents, so I think it is the moral obligation of parents not to impose fairytales on them as "fact." There is ZERO valid evidence for any religion - whether it be Islam, Zoroastrianism, the worship of Zeus, Jesus, etc, so it is not fair to brainwash children with your own fantasies. Just give them the FACTS (math, science, history, art), and let them decide for themselves which fairytales they want to choose in life.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

I would like to know who were the direct predacessers to the human species, and what proof supports it, for those who adamintly insist that evolution should be tought with no alternatives, concerning human origins.

I think we're all waiting for said proof and will be waiting long after we are dead and gone.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Radical Islam?

Are you sure you're with the right candidate here? I'm thinking you're not.

If you believe that we should all have something to fear with people teaching their kids a religion --or radical islamofacism-- then you belong to another candidate.

No, I don't believe that! But I believe many Christian Fundies believe this way, which is why I asked her the question. Most Christians are very quick to point out how crazy and dangerous other religions are -- except their own, of course.

 

[jesse27]

It sounds like you have more faith in nothing than christians have in god, you sound like a atheistic fundmentalist, and maybe you should refelct on your last statement in a self context. P.S.MAYTHERONBEWITHYOU

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Well at least your views are consistent, although I suspect you may not be telling us the full truth when you claim you couldn't "care less" if people were home-schooling their children in Satanism. Perhaps I am wrong. I personally I would be worried about that! These children are defenseless against brainwashing by their parents, so I think it is the moral obligation of parents not to impose fairytales on them as "fact." There is ZERO valid evidence for any religion - whether it be Islam, Zoroastrianism, the worship of Zeus, Jesus, etc, so it is not fair to brainwash children with your own fantasies. Just give them the FACTS (math, science, history, art), and let them decide for themselves which fairytales they want to choose in life.

Oh!! So now you're accusing me of being a liar in a side-ways sort of way? If you don't wish to believe in any religion/faith, that is YOUR perogative and you may teach YOUR children whatever you wish. For the state to try and impose YOUR views on MY children against my wishes is against every premise that this nation was founded upon. I am guaranteed freedom OF religion. You are not guaranteed freedom FROM religion (go read the Constitution and Bill of Rights if you don't believe me).....after all, according to you, I'm a believer of fairy tales and the bottom line still remains..it is up to ME to decide what MY children are taught as fact or as conjecture. It is not YOUR's and it is most certainly not the state's.

Most every one of the Founders of this Nation were home-schooled and I'll guess you're probably going to try and tell us that they were unlearned men because they were taught from the Bible and had never heard of evolution, etc.

Has it crossed your mind to wonder why the state keeps expanding the ages that one must attend school? Just a few short years ago, children attended from 1st through 8th grades compulsory. Then, four more years were added to the end bringing us up through grade 12. Then, recently, most states have added in compulsory kindegarden and NOW some are trying to add either compulsory pre-school or a another year after grade 12!! The only subjects that should be taking up any extra time are science and history and there's no way those can account for 5 - 6 additional years of class time. Answer is, they don't. What takes up the VAST majority of public school time is changing classes and touchy-feely garbage like 'social studies', home-ec, etc. The ONLY reasons that public schooling is pushed now are money (so many $$$ for every warm seat) and control. It ceased being about actual learning back in the early sixties when the federal government got involved with the ESA (a Ted Kennedy creation) and it got rolling even more quickly down hill when Jimmy Carter created the Fed. Dept. of Education in exchange for the backing of the NEA when he ran for president.

Public schools are nothing more than public indoctrination/re-education centers and they are being used to keep the masses dumbed down to the point that they're easily distracted and willing to work their entire lives to enrich their masters. Look up the teachings of John Dewey and Karl Marx sometime. Just maybe you'll finally find out what's really going on.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

No, I don't believe that! But I believe many Christian Fundies believe this way, which is why I asked her the question. Most Christians are very quick to point out how crazy and dangerous other religions are -- except their own, of course.

Oh! So now I'm a 'Christian Fundie" am I? At least I believe in something and, as the old saying goes....'you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything"

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Oh!! So now you're accusing me of being a liar in a side-ways sort of way? If you don't wish to believe in any religion/faith, that is YOUR perogative and you may teach YOUR children whatever you wish. For the state to try and impose YOUR views on MY children against my wishes is against every premise that this nation was founded upon. I am guaranteed freedom OF religion. You are not guaranteed freedom FROM religion (go read the Constitution and Bill of Rights if you don't believe me).....after all, according to you, I'm a believer of fairy tales and the bottom line still remains..it is up to ME to decide what MY children are taught as fact or as conjecture. It is not YOUR's and it is most certainly not the state's.

I never said the state should stop you from brainwashing your children. I said it is morally reprehensible to me to brainwash a defenseless child into believing that blood-soaked myths and fairytales are "fact."

 

[Derek Johnson]

My wife homeschools, and our girls are far better off b/c of it. Yes, they play sports/dance also, but this isn't reason enough to subject them to govt. brainwashing camps where they are intentionally dumbed down. Thanks so much Dr. Paul for your positition on homeschool.

 

[VoluntaryMan]

What are some people's problem with Ron Paul supporting Homeschooling?

The fact that their minds were permanently hobbled by their attendance of public school?

 

[ConstitutionGal]

I never said the state should stop you from brainwashing your children. I said it is morally reprehensible to me to brainwash a defenseless child into believing that blood-soaked myths and fairytales are "fact."

I'm guessing that you'd prefer they be brainwashed into believing evolution, global warming and Gia worship are facts? Of course, if I send my children to public school, you'd get your wish. Thankfully, homeschooling is legal in my state and I don't have to consider your wishes when teaching my children. Just one more reason I support Ron Paul. He doesn't plan to use the pulpit of the Presidency to force his brand of anything down my throat! Too bad some of his supporters don't see freedom in the same light.

 

[tremendoustie]

Well at least your views are consistent, although I suspect you may not be telling us the full truth when you claim you couldn't "care less" if people were home-schooling their children in Satanism. Perhaps I am wrong. I personally I would be worried about that! These children are defenseless against brainwashing by their parents, so I think it is the moral obligation of parents not to impose fairytales on them as "fact." There is ZERO valid evidence for any religion - whether it be Islam, Zoroastrianism, the worship of Zeus, Jesus, etc, so it is not fair to brainwash children with your own fantasies. Just give them the FACTS (math, science, history, art), and let them decide for themselves which fairytales they want to choose in life.

But, I'm guessing that you telling your kid that "there is ZERO valid evidence for any religion", or that they are "fairytales", that wouldn't be brainwashing, that would be just the straight up truth, right?

What, families who participate in religious traditions and activities should find babysitters, less they mar the pristine atheistic upbringing that all children must enjoy?

And, regarding your utter shock and dismay that any could deny the pristine cannon of evolutionary theory: There are lots of questions about evolution, and I do know what I'm talking about. People come down on both sides or no side for rational reasons. I tolerate anyone willing to make a reasonable argument for or against any theory -- that IS science! What is anti-science is the suppression of ideas by an appeal to authority, social pressure, force, mocking, or anything other than rational disputation.

Any time you teach a kid anything you are teaching them what you believe, and probably what someone else disbelieves. Making sure that a child was never exposed to religion would be a statement in itself. Parents raise kids, and if they are decent parents, they teach them best they know how what is right and wrong, and what they believe is truth and not, and why. Kids will sometimes agree, sometimes disagree with their parents. They do not teach them what you believe, that would be for your kids.

 

[Drea]

MayTheRonBeWithYou,

So what proof have you that Christian Fundamentalists are brainwashing their kids? What mountain of scientific proof and mountains of 'scientists' do you have to parade before us that shows us one shred of anything even remotely resembling proof that it is 'morally reprehensible' or brainwashing or wrong for parents to raise their children with religion?

Are you saying that some of the great people who have come before us --some of the greatest minds and greatest humaniterians of all of the hundreds (thousands?) of years were brainwashed or have brainwashed others? That their YEARS of being fed fairytales (did I get that right? fairytales?) did damage to them?

You have nothing but opinions... opinions that are morally reprehensible to many of us.

Drea