What are some people's problem with Ron Paul supporting Homeschooling?

[gracebkr]

I said SCHOOL, I didn't say PUBLIC SCHOOL. If you don't want to send your kids to public school, why not send them to a nice, small private school, perhaps?

I guess if you sign them up for boy scouts and do lots of other activities, that can make up for the loss of social interaction. I don't have anything against homeschooling. The only thing I really ever hear about it is that home-schooling is practiced mainly by Christian fundamentalists. Another fear of mine is that these children are being brainwashed into whatever religion their parents impose on them, which is not fair to the child.

Well, just realize it is a scare tactic to make you judge parents and children who are choosing something different. Even if they are Christian fundamentalists, it is their right. You cannot decide what is fair, just like the government should not.

 

[pinkmandy]

It's the right of the PARENT to decide how to educate a child, not the govt. That simple.

Btw, I'm a non-religious homeschooler. My kids can socialize quite well, thanks. They have all kinds of fun activities. As far as socialization I prefer they learn that from adults who actually are socialized, not a bunch of kids the exact same age.

Hmmm....I wonder how people socialized before public schools?

The whole "socialization" bit was started by the NEA (who lobbied to ban homeschooling). They started the socialization tactic AFTER they failed miserably on attacking the quality of homeschooling eduction when homeschoolers started consistently outperforming educationally.

You do realize people were jailed for homeschooling? They are still harrassed? You do know that when public schools were first introduced in some areas armed officers forcibly escorted kids off to school?

The homeschooling debate has NOTHING to do with education and everything to do with control.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

I guess if you sign them up for boy scouts and do lots of other activities, that can make up for the loss of social interaction. I don't have anything against homeschooling. The only thing I really ever hear about it is that home-schooling is practiced mainly by Christian fundamentalists. Another fear of mine is that these children are being brainwashed into whatever religion their parents impose on them, which is not fair to the child.

I must point out that it is no more up to you to be 'concerned' about what religion the parents are teaching THEIR children than it is the state's. I consider incarcerating 5 and 6 year-old in institutional settings and being force-fed the latest fad in indoctrination unfair to the child, however, I have no say in how others prefer their children to be taught just like I have no say in my hard-earned money being stolen to pay for said indoctrination.

 

[TexMac]

I have a 16 year old homeschooler and from the phone ringing constantly and the stream of cute girls in and out of the house constantly, I 'm beginning to think I didn't retard his social skills enough.

 

[pinkmandy]

We have had a few people ask us "well, what about socialization" to which I replied "I'm not raising a socialist".

Lmao. I'm borrowing that line if you don't mind.

 

[cputter]

Another fear of mine is that these children are being brainwashed into whatever religion their parents impose on them, which is not fair to the child.

That gets done in any case, with or without school. I'm a self taught, free thinking atheist. I should know.

People have to understand that character/personality is also driven by genes (50/50 in my opinion, but hard to measure). Studies on genetic twins growing up in different environments have shown this.

If I were to take a guess, I'd say many people on these forums are free thinkers, and always have been, despite of the environment they grew up in.

Find out more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology

 

[jesse27]

Rockafeller was intrumental in the creation of public schooling in America, and he stated, "I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers" the whole socializing of our children to work in groups, through an overall compartmentlized educational system, rewards those who become conformed, and outcast those who do not, and this is the invisble aspect, for which public schooling was created

 

[cheese]

Paul sent all his kids to public schools. But he strongly supports peoples rights to home-school if they want. - and not have to pay taxes to the government for an institution they opt not to use.

 

[stevenstremciuc]

I said SCHOOL, I didn't say PUBLIC SCHOOL. If you don't want to send your kids to public school, why not send them to a nice, small private school, perhaps?

I guess if you sign them up for boy scouts and do lots of other activities, that can make up for the loss of social interaction. I don't have anything against homeschooling. The only thing I really ever hear about it is that home-schooling is practiced mainly by Christian fundamentalists. Another fear of mine is that these children are being brainwashed into whatever religion their parents impose on them, which is not fair to the child.

The notion that healthy social behavior should be learned by children at ANY school they get sent to is false. Besides, most of the people who I know that went to a private school are those that went to a private school that supplemented the coursework with specific religious teachings.

Most importantly, the idea that home schooling is a 'dangerous' idea because parents will pervert the minds of their children is one of the PRIMARY reasons for compulsory schooling. Compulsory schooling is not the solution to bad parenting.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Lmao. I'm borrowing that line if you don't mind.

Feel free. My mouth sometimes overload my you-know-what when I get mad but every now and then I come up with something good!

 

[gracebkr]

Rockafeller was intrumental in the creation of public schooling in America, and he stated, "I don't want want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers" the whole socializing of our children to work in groups, through an overall compartmentlized educational system, rewards those who become conformed, and outcast those who do not, and this is the invisble aspect, for which public schooling was created

Can you link that quote?

 

[dkim68]

People are dumb. All he's saying is the Federal government should not be telling you how to school your kids. Leave it to the State and Local governments. That is all. His support of homeschooling goes as far as he thinks people should have the right too home school their kids if that's their preference, that's all. Not to enforce ALL kids to be homeschooled. Jeezus.

 

[Drea]

You need to dive deeper down the rabbit hole, friend. The MSM and government monopoly of ideas doesn't start when people are 30, it starts when they're 5 (or earlier). They took over the education system first and have used it to raise generations that think what they want them to think. Go read up some on the history of this education system. See where it orginated and what it was designed for, before it was implemented here. Then compare it to how Jefferson, Washinton, etc. were educated.

The "social skills" thing is a red herring they indocrinate people with to keep them complacent, same as the ones they use to keep people voting in the two-party system as though it will change anything. There are many, many ways to provide socialization skills to home schooled kids, and they don't involve growing up with the same small group of same-aged children in a fish bowl/jail-like environment with minimal real engaged adult supervision.

Thank you! for this.

I was all set to 'school' that guy myself. I really never thought I would hear someone who supports Ron Paul say such things.

Hey, MayTheRonBeWithYou... do you believe everything 'they' tell you? Man, you've got to question things a little more.

Drea

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

You'd prefer they have a non-religious view imposed on them by someone other than their parents?

I'd prefer that children be taught science, math, history, etc. Why can't parents let their children decide for themselves about religion? Why impose a religious doctrine on a child who is defenseless against brainwashing?

Stick to the facts, and let the child choose their own path when it comes to religion.

How would you feel if you heard parents were home-schooling their kids, indoctrinating them into satanism or radical Islam? I'm not saying it should be illegal, I'm saying it should be looked down on socially to brainwash young children.

 

[Rhys]

without reading everything here, my first thought was that it's weird and homeschoolers are weird.... but that was just a stereotype.. i'm on board with it now.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

I'd prefer that children be taught science, math, history, etc. Why can't parents let their children decide for themselves about religion? Why impose a religious doctrine on a child who is defenseless against brainwashing?

Stick to the facts, and let the child choose their own path when it comes to religion.

How would you feel if you heard parents were home-schooling their kids, indoctrinating them into satanism or radical Islam? I'm not saying it should be illegal, I'm saying it should be looked down on socially to brainwash young children.

I prefer that my children not be brainwashed into thinking that everything good must be accomplished in groups or that we are all decended from apes or that the government has the right to the fruits of our labors. Does that give me some right to force you to NOT teach those things to your children? No. Therefore, no one else has the right to tell me what to teach my own.

 

[Drea]

The notion that healthy social behavior should be learned by children at ANY school they get sent to is false. Besides, most of the people who I know that went to a private school are those that went to a private school that supplemented the coursework with specific religious teachings.

Most importantly, the idea that home schooling is a 'dangerous' idea because parents will pervert the minds of their children is one of the PRIMARY reasons for compulsory schooling. Compulsory schooling is not the solution to bad parenting.

WTF???

Are you actually saying that people who raise their children with religious beliefs are bad parents?

OMFG! Keep out of my life -K?

Drea

 

[Drea]

I'd prefer that children be taught science, math, history, etc. Why can't parents let their children decide for themselves about religion? Why impose a religious doctrine on a child who is defenseless against brainwashing?

Stick to the facts, and let the child choose their own path when it comes to religion.

How would you feel if you heard parents were home-schooling their kids, indoctrinating them into satanism or radical Islam? I'm not saying it should be illegal, I'm saying it should be looked down on socially to brainwash young children.

Soooo, people who practice a religion with their families are brainwashing their children?

We need RP to protect us from people like you.

Drea

 

[Paulbot_9876]

I think they have the misconception Ron Paul wants all children to be homeschooled and thinks institutional schooling is evilllll. This is why when I eventually have a child he or she will be homeschooled. 1 child classroom. When I was in public school for my pre-college education, it was probably the worst experience of my life going there. It is also the breeding ground of children getting bad influences. I think homeschooling is better because the child is learning directly from someone they can already trust, i've been fed so many lies in public school(not like its much different from private, which would probably push jesus onto me)like the communists being evil (we didn't believe in their form of government, but it doesn't give us an excuse to hate them) and also the justification of us killing lots of indians.

look at the people who are not voting for him.....do you want these same people learning their children???? people cant afford to stay home in these days....it takes 2 parents to survive unlike the 50s..... for someone who makes 100000+ a year it would be allright....but our economy and people don't want to spend 24 hrs a day with their children...but i think it should be the parents call if they want...its not mandatory though...

 

[Sandy]

I must point out that it is no more up to you to be 'concerned' about what religion the parents are teaching THEIR children than it is the state's. I consider incarcerating 5 and 6 year-old in institutional settings and being force-fed the latest fad in indoctrination unfair to the child, however, I have no say in how others prefer their children to be taught just like I have no say in my hard-earned money being stolen to pay for said indoctrination.

So well said, I applaud you. Socialist indoctrination in the public schools and seeping into some private schools. Paganism/'Mother Earth' worship and global warming hysteria with no counter arguments, bashing of conservative values and the Constitution in whatever way they are doing it, moral relativism being taught....talk about unfair to kids!!!

Who does someone else think they are trying to say someone teaching their kids their religion is unfair? Sounds like the I know what's better for your kid than you do type! Sounds like they don't believe in freedom of religion to a certain degree. I think someone thinking the kids should attend public schools where they are indoctrinated into believing evolution as fact and socialism as good is unfair!!

I don't believe in a public school system at all, it's too communist in nature. Of course, if we didn't have the income tax and other ridiculous taxes and inflation, people would be able to home school or work with a carefully selected private school where the parents help pick out the curriculum. There are people that could home school right now for example, but don't. Other people could downsize their life and homeschool/private school, but won't. Their lifestyle is more important than their child's education and mental state.