What about the Constitution Party?

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I thought Ron had a strong chance of getting nominated by the floor, but the RNC corruption prevented that. I am done with the G.O.P. because of this. They are tyrants! If Ron doesn't run third party, what do you guys think about the Constitution Party?
 
They're not liberty lovers. At all.

They're for the War on Drugs. They're against homosexuals. They're against pornography. They want to legislate morality.
 
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ShaneEnochs said:
They're not liberty lovers. At all.

They're for the War on Drugs. They're against homosexuals. They're against pornography. They want to legislate morality.
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Wow, never knew that. Why are they a separate party then? Sounds like they'd fit right in with Republicans.
 
The problem with the CP is the same as the LP and for that matter any minor party. They do not have people within the party structure that have the ability, means or resume to be elected to office. While ballot access can be an issue in some states, in most locales you can get a candidate on the ballot - the problem though is having a candidate that is well known and respected enough to get enough votes in the general election to win the race. In my opinion, even if the ballot access laws were less restrictive, they still wouldn't be able to field a viable candidate simply because the membership of the party (in large part) is made up of people without political experience.

For example the guy they have here running for US House has never held an elected office before. From his bio he states that he served on some town council boards, but talking with some of my friends here no one seems to know who he is. So basically you have a unknown candidate with little to no political experience trying to get 150,000 votes. He ran before and got around 2000 votes. My guess is he will get the same this time as well.

Honestly, I don't know why people are so hung up on labels and parties. There are thousands of liberty-minded people already elected into office under the GOP banner. With a little hard work we can easily hold a majority in most (if not all) state parties and completely reshape the political landscape. All it takes is the willingness and the ability to run for office yourself. County committee seats are the easiest elected office to win, as it usually requires only a few hundred votes to win the seat, and your campaign area is limited to your own precinct. If every RP supporter who is truly dedicated to seeing the advance of the principles that we hold dear would run for committee seats we would be able to completely replace the RNC with our folks in a few years.
 
I was just doing some checking, and it seems Chuck Baldwin isn't with the "Constitution Party" anymore. He's moved over to the "Reform Party" now.
 
It's too bad. They get it right on a lot of things but then blow it on things like:

"We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy."

Yeah... we need to protect free speech and the First Amendment by, um, banning speech we don't like.

But, a platform is just a platform, and it's important to look at people running for office as individuals.
 
hrdman2luv said:
I was just doing some checking, and it seems Chuck Baldwin isn't with the "Constitution Party" anymore. He's moved over to the "Reform Party" now.
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He ran as a Republican in 2012 though as well. I think the Reform Party in KS just put him on the ballot as a preference over Andre Barnett. My guess is the four people that make up the Reform Party of Kansas didn't like Barnett.
 
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Well personally, I think we should just start a new party and call it the Liberty party. We did start the tea party after all, just need rallys.
 
Silverbug1980 said:
Well personally, I think we should just start a new party and call it the Liberty party. We did start the tea party after all, just need rallys.
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Actually you need money, infrastructure and candidates that have the political and civic resumes to win offices. Otherwise you are nothing more than a website and an idea.
 
CaptLouAlbano said:
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Honestly, I don't know why people are so hung up on labels and parties. There are thousands of liberty-minded people already elected into office under the GOP banner. With a little hard work we can easily hold a majority in most (if not all) state parties and completely reshape the political landscape. All it takes is the willingness and the ability to run for office yourself. County committee seats are the easiest elected office to win, as it usually requires only a few hundred votes to win the seat, and your campaign area is limited to your own precinct. If every RP supporter who is truly dedicated to seeing the advance of the principles that we hold dear would run for committee seats we would be able to completely replace the RNC with our folks in a few years.
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Good post.
 
ShaneEnochs said:
They're not liberty lovers. At all.

They're for the War on Drugs. They're against homosexuals. They're against pornography. They want to legislate morality.
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The war on drugs part isn't true. They're opposed to the federal war on drugs and don't take a position on state drug laws. If being "against homosexuals" means believing in traditional marriage, then I suppose they're "against homosexuals."
 
Sentinelrv said:
Wow, never knew that. Why are they a separate party then? Sounds like they'd fit right in with Republicans.
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The CP supports a non interventionist foreign policy and opposes the Patriot Act. Sounds like a pretty big difference to me.
 
tony m said:
Good post.
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Thanks. It is really just a numbers game, that's all. This diversion to the LP, CP, some other party or whatever will just serve to weaken our effectiveness. If you have 10 liberty activists in your hometown and half are working at getting elected within the GOP and the other half are playing around in some third party that has zero chance of winning an election you lose half the people.

The LP, CP and every other minor party out there all had the same ideas that people here are kicking around. And they all failed. Ballot access is only a small reason for this. The major reasons is that they have little money, little structure and few (if any) people qualified to run for office.

I mean honestly, the "National HQ" of the Constitution Party is in Jim Clymer's law office in Lancaster, PA.

Not to pick on Clymer, but he has been doing this third party thing for many years. He ran in 92 as the LP candidate for Auditor General, Lt. Governor in 94 and 98, US Senate in 04 and now for VP. All of the offices are much bigger than the man himself. Instead, if he would have spent the last 20 years running in GOP races, he very well could be in a federal office by now.
 
ShaneEnochs said:
They're not liberty lovers. At all.

They're for the War on Drugs. They're against homosexuals. They're against pornography. They want to legislate morality.
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Then why did Chuck Baldwin get Ron Pauls endorsement. And whats wrong with personally hating and being against homosexuals? As long as i am not hurting them, they can get married at a stupid church. by the way, i am trying to destroy marriage benefits here.
 
Right Wing said:
I thought Ron had a strong chance of getting nominated by the floor, but the RNC corruption prevented that. I am done with the G.O.P. because of this. They are tyrants! If Ron doesn't run third party, what do you guys think about the Constitution Party?
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I recommend the GOP. We have had ton of success locally. I like how they GOP leadership is putting money and volunteers behind our candidates.
 
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