"We're setting the dogs on your car!" What's the proper response in this case?

speciallyblend said:
no it was 264 between va beach /norfolk
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Ah. The dynamic duo told me that the I-77 I-85 corridor was a high drug traffic area. I was headed into Virginia. In retrospect I told my ex down the road "I should have told them that it was assinine for them to stop me coming into Virginia from Carolina. Everyone knows that Virginia grows better grass." :p
Unfortunately, I don't have a freak flag to fly anymore. But, my heart is still in the right place. :D
 
PaulConventionWV said:
If the cops threaten to use the dogs (and you know they'll find something to allow probable cause for a search), do you have to consent to that? Is it constitutional for them to set the dogs on your car without your consent, Constitutionally? What's the proper response if they try to do this?
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If you consent to any searches, especially if at risk of something being found, you commit legal suicide before you even set foot into a court room. They have 20-40 minutes, the time allowed for a normal traffic stop/citation, to get the dogs there. DON'T ASK THEM FOR A WARRANT! JUST ASK IF YOU'RE FREE TO GO. Regardless of what the officer tells you, the only thing he can do, in the worst case scenario of you being arrested and charged, is ask politely that the magistrate give you a low bond amount, that is it. Don't even make the mistake of handing them your keys, that is considered consent. Don't say anything more than what you need to say to remain polite, confident, and calm.

There have been cases in Florida that determined the use of dogs on private property to be unconstitutional. However, you are on STATE PROPERTY when traveling down a highway in your PERSONAL VEHICLE that you have REGISTERED AND LICENSED with the state, and have to have a LICENSE to drive. So, with all the legal jargon bullshit, technically you're not on your private property and they can use dogs...which will just alert on command anyway....so it pays not be a dickface to the officer for no reason, while maintaining your rights, because he can and will alert that dog and tear your shit apart just to make your life as miserable as his, regardless if you have shit on you or not, it will suck.
 
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phill4paul said:
Ah. The dynamic duo told me that the I-77 I-85 corridor was a high drug traffic area. I was headed into Virginia. In retrospect I told my ex down the road "I should have told them that it was assinine for them to stop me coming into Virginia from Carolina. Everyone knows that Virginia grows better grass." :p
Unfortunately, I don't have a freak flag to fly anymore. But, my heart is still in the right place. :D
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False statement is false
 
I don't have everything worked out, so take my comments for what they're worth. Very, very, low cost.


First, your Constitutionally protected rights are still in full effect. They, the government, rely on everybody being willfully ignorant, and most are. Second, you likely signed agreements with your local government in the form of a Driver's license and car registration (co-ownership). Voiding these contracts (by not renewing) is something I'm still working on, so I don't have a precise answer for how to handle yourself.

You have a first amendment protection of Liberty, the right to *travel*. Any stop by a cop is an infringement on this right. But, you should ask if the cop if he has a victim with damages and a complaint. W/o aforementioned details his stop is *unlawful*.

Do not identify yourself. You do not need to show a "Driver's" license as you're traveling and not the Driver of a commercial vehicle engaged in commerce.

Further, you have the right to be secure in your persons (fourth amendment). Inform said cop, if necessary, they won't be searching you or your property without a warrant signed by a judge or magistrate.

Also, they may not deprive you of your property without due process, fifth amendment. You may ask the cop if he's the judge, jury, and executioner.

Finally, inquire with the cop if he's taken an oath to uphold the Constitution, the supreme law of the land (there is nothing higher).

Bid him, good day.


On a side note:
I'm contemplating, prior to putting a rights assertion plan together, the use of audio/video recording with real time feed to a server somewhere on the 'net. At a minimum, a wireless hard drive mounted in a secure location. I am also a proponent of building a well thought out plan whereby liberty folks could consolidate into a small geographically defensebable community (something similar to FSP) and asserting our rights together, en masse. No birth certificates, no SSN, no Driver's licenses, no business licenses...just people free to contract within the community or externally to Corporations still residing in the United States jurisdiction.
 
-C- said:
If you consent to any searches, especially if at risk of something being found, you commit legal suicide before you even set foot into a court room. They have 20-40 minutes, the time allowed for a normal traffic stop/citation, to get the dogs there. DON'T ASK THEM FOR A WARRANT! JUST ASK IF YOU'RE FREE TO GO. Regardless of what the officer tells you, the only thing he can do, in the worst case scenario of you being arrested and charged, is ask politely that the magistrate give you a low bond amount, that is it. Don't even make the mistake of handing them your keys, that is considered consent. Don't say anything more than what you need to say to remain polite, confident, and calm.

There have been cases in Florida that determined the use of dogs on private property to be unconstitutional. However, you are on STATE PROPERTY when traveling down a highway in your PERSONAL VEHICLE that you have REGISTERED AND LICENSED with the state, and have to have a LICENSE to drive. So, with all the legal jargon bullshit, technically you're not on your private property and they can use dogs...which will just alert on command anyway....so it pays not be a dickface to the officer for no reason, while maintaining your rights, because he can and will alert that dog and tear your shit apart just to make your life as miserable as his, regardless if you have shit on you or not, it will suck.
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Absolutely. I think I found what I was looking for. Basically, it seems the best course of action is to make it clear you are not consenting to anything. Even if dog sniffs are technically "constitutional" to the courts, a clear demonstration of non-consent and utilizing your right to remain silent :) will help you win your case.
 
PaulConventionWV said:
If the cops threaten to use the dogs (and you know they'll find something to allow probable cause for a search), do you have to consent to that? Is it constitutional for them to set the dogs on your car without your consent, Constitutionally? What's the proper response if they try to do this?
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Clearly it is a violation , but , what they will tell you , depending on which state you are in ( stay out of Illinois , as an example ) , is that under state law of the peoples republic of blah , blah ... Only ever had it happen to me once .I said sure , when your done , after you do not find anything ,I am going to take a piss , let my dog out to piss and then get a hotel and speak to your boss in the morning , before I decide where I need to go from there....
 
Czolgosz said:
I don't have everything worked out, so take my comments for what they're worth. Very, very, low cost.


First, your Constitutionally protected rights are still in full effect. They, the government, rely on everybody being willfully ignorant, and most are. Second, you likely signed agreements with your local government in the form of a Driver's license and car registration (co-ownership). Voiding these contracts (by not renewing) is something I'm still working on, so I don't have a precise answer for how to handle yourself.

You have a first amendment protection of Liberty, the right to *travel*. Any stop by a cop is an infringement on this right. But, you should ask if the cop if he has a victim with damages and a complaint. W/o aforementioned details his stop is *unlawful*.

Do not identify yourself. You do not need to show a "Driver's" license as you're traveling and not the Driver of a commercial vehicle engaged in commerce.

Further, you have the right to be secure in your persons (fourth amendment). Inform said cop, if necessary, they won't be searching you or your property without a warrant signed by a judge or magistrate.

Also, they may not deprive you of your property without due process, fifth amendment. You may ask the cop if he's the judge, jury, and executioner.

Finally, inquire with the cop if he's taken an oath to uphold the Constitution, the supreme law of the land (there is nothing higher).

Bid him, good day.


On a side note:
I'm contemplating, prior to putting a rights assertion plan together, the use of audio/video recording with real time feed to a server somewhere on the 'net. At a minimum, a wireless hard drive mounted in a secure location. I am also a proponent of building a well thought out plan whereby liberty folks could consolidate into a small geographically defensebable community (something similar to FSP) and asserting our rights together, en masse. No birth certificates, no SSN, no Driver's licenses, no business licenses...just people free to contract within the community or externally to Corporations still residing in the United States jurisdiction.
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sounds like the american version of this

 
papitosabe said:
sounds like the american version of this

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The American police would never stand for that kind of argumentation before they brutally arrested and beat you into submission. Sometimes I think the Brits have it better. Can anyone offer perspective on this?

Don't worry, it's not derailing because I'm the OP.
 
If it's really such a big concern change your lifestyle, stop driving, or just torch your car when pulled over.
 
what if they say, "we are going to detain your vehicle until the dog comes." Can they do this?

I would answer, "you are either letting me go or not..."

and if they say the same thing, I'll leave.
 
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