phill4paul
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I suppose you could take this route. Then again this route is what has left us exactly were we are. Fooked.
"We're setting the dogs on your car!" What's the proper response in this case?
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I suppose you could take this route. Then again this route is what has left us exactly were we are. Fooked.
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Liberty in NY... isn't that kind of a contradiction nowadays? Not only is it one of the most statist...states but now anyone convicted there of ANYTHING is forced to provide a DNA sample. It actually puts them higher on the tyranny scale than New Jersey, but don't worry, NJ won't likely be behind for long: http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2012/03/on_criminal_dna_sample_nj_shou.html
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No warrant = no dice.
End of story.
Innocent until proven guilty.
End of story.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Just comply? Like my friend did when we were 18, and the cops stuffed a 1/2 ounce of pot in his car? That Felony conviction hasn't gone away.
Or how about the time I complied when I was 20-and lost my job because of it, because the assholes kept me held up for over an hour tearing my car apart?
Just COMPLY????!!!!! Move to China man-they'd love to have you. You can comply all you want there, and you won't even be bothered with making that choice.
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Do not "cooperate" but do not "resist" either. As a previous poster said, cases can and do get tossed if the dogs take too long to arrive. However, if they happen to have dogs with them, then they can search your car if they have probable cause of drugs. They may not need probable cause if dogs are not defined as a search in that state.
This is usually documented with standardized phrases, such as "red, bloodshot eyes" and "slurred speech". Recording, if legal in your state, can help here to dispel these claims. Beyond that, the police will search your car if they have probable cause.
However, searching the car after an arrest for evidence on a separate charge does not work though unless the police had probable cause for that offense. This is the Arizona v Gant case.
You may notice the one word I have not said is warrant. Unfortunately, there is a warrant exception for automobiles. Scalia, who normally is NOT libertarian or pro defendant, helped us out in Arizona v Gant. He also is big on having a real confrontation clause but that's for another thread.
This is usually documented with standardized phrases, such as "red, bloodshot eyes" and "slurred speech". Recording, if legal in your state, can help here to dispel these claims. Beyond that, the police will search your car if they have probable cause.
However, searching the car after an arrest for evidence on a separate charge does not work though unless the police had probable cause for that offense. This is the Arizona v Gant case.
You may notice the one word I have not said is warrant. Unfortunately, there is a warrant exception for automobiles. Scalia, who normally is NOT libertarian or pro defendant, helped us out in Arizona v Gant. He also is big on having a real confrontation clause but that's for another thread.
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"Are you aware that Marijuana has a distinctive odor?"
When the man utters this little trick question it actually means "your f****D and we're bringing the dogs to give a false hit and probable cause".
The only current defense is to roll your window down only enough to slip your ID and registration through and answer all inquiries with "I can't answer that in fear of incriminating myself" but this doesn't always work. Some will even say they smell the odor through a rolled up window.
Until more citizens sue the police and their tactics of lying and relying on false k9 alerts this is going to be reality.
When the man utters this little trick question it actually means "your f****D and we're bringing the dogs to give a false hit and probable cause".
The only current defense is to roll your window down only enough to slip your ID and registration through and answer all inquiries with "I can't answer that in fear of incriminating myself" but this doesn't always work. Some will even say they smell the odor through a rolled up window.
Until more citizens sue the police and their tactics of lying and relying on false k9 alerts this is going to be reality.
Sounds like a great photo-op ... A whole bag of goodies spread out on the hood of your car LOL
And then the local news crew shows up with cameras LOL LOL
What is it about your lifestyle that causes you to get pulled over in the first place ?
GOOD ... Then you can probably answer the question about what type of lifestyle causes an individual to be pulled over, and then have a LEO decide to search the vehicle.
They don't run the dog through ever vehicle, do they ?
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Could be you simply have out of states plates and they have a ticket quota to fill. Maybe because you took a wrong turn in an unfimiliar town and ended up on the wrong side of the tracks. Could be that the cop is going through a divorce and is pissed of at the world.
Could be a lot of crap ... And it might be that they are possessed and also dating Linda Blair LOL
I wasn't a cop like your thinking(look at my username), all the same just Federal and on the water, but I had all the powers a regular cop did-and then some.
You asked what kind of lifestyle causes one to be pulled over and searched. Lemme see, I was active Federal Law Enforcement the last time I was searched, and have been searched several times years previous, and I was LE then, too. This alone should tell you something about "lifestyle", and how they could give two shits about it, even if you do.
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Could be you're just a 'Star Trek' nerd w/ out of state plates. We ALL know those trekkies are kingpins........
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?367269-IL-Breakfast-in-Collinsville&highlight=Breakfast
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When I was pulled over I did nothing. First they said my passenger (ex-wife) wasn't wearing a safety belt. She was. Always did. When she showed him the strap across her chest he back stepped and said I crossed over the line. I didn't. Excuses are easy to come by. Could have just as easily said I was speeding. I wasn't.
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Such a mistake can easily happen ... Did they search your vehicle because of the claimed "not wearing a seatbelt" ?
See-I got your number....."you did something...YES?"
You seem to think that cops only pull people over that are doing something wrong. This could not be further from the truth. The "something" I did was happen to pass this asshole where he was hiding. I wasn't speeding, nor violating any other traffic laws. I identified myself as off-duty Law Enforcement,and that I was carrying a pistol and have a license to do so, as required by state law. The idiot changed his story three times of why he pulled me over, and searched without my consent, causing over $500 worth of damage to my car's stereo system. The fact he searched me, another LEO, violating my rights should be a pretty clear indicator that it doesn't matter who you are or what "lifestyle" you choose.
You seem to think that cops only pull people over that are doing something wrong. This could not be further from the truth. The "something" I did was happen to pass this asshole where he was hiding. I wasn't speeding, nor violating any other traffic laws. I identified myself as off-duty Law Enforcement,and that I was carrying a pistol and have a license to do so, as required by state law. The idiot changed his story three times of why he pulled me over, and searched without my consent, causing over $500 worth of damage to my car's stereo system. The fact he searched me, another LEO, violating my rights should be a pretty clear indicator that it doesn't matter who you are or what "lifestyle" you choose.
You should have torched your car
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They tried. I know my rights. So they didn't.
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