We were robbed!

RockEnds said:
I'm the county coordinator for Davis, and everyone was very cooperative with us in counting the votes. I witnessed the vote count, recorded the votes with the chair, and witnessed the phone report. I have the numbers for the entire county, and they are exactly right. I double checked all the precinct numbers with the GOP county chair and the press.

The only problem I see is that one of our precincts hasn't reported yet according to this site: http://www.politico.com/iowacaucuses/iowamap-popup.html. I was one of the last to leave, so I'm not sure why it isn't recorded yet. It should be.

I'm keeping my eye on the site to make sure the final vote count is exactly what transpired. I don't know how long it will take for the count to be reported since we're all gone home.
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Hat's off to you!!!! Great job!
 
Bossobass said:
FWIW, I think you're a highly motivated, intelligent RP supporter who did more tonight for freedom (and for me and my family) than most Americans ever will. Don't apologize for your suspicions on my part.

I've said it before, many times since my trips to Iowa. Iowans are generally as apathetic as it gets and the GOP in Iowa is as corrupt as any mob I've brushed up against in my life.

The old folks want a politician who will keep their SS checks coming. They couldn't care less if nothing changes and the world crumbles, just keep those checks in the mail and give them free medical care.

If they were on the Titanic as it was sinking and someone yelled 'Free hotdogs!', they'd scurry to form a line and ignore the sinking ship.

That's why they vote. That's why they vote for the guy who will keep things the same. That's why they like Bush.

The rest of tonight's results stink like a dead cod. I watched cspan 2 and monitored the fluctuations in vote count on Politico and saw the same problems others noted elsewhere, but I expected there to be foul play for months.

Vote fraud is a staple of American elections and if the establishment ever had incentive to fudge numbers it would be against a guy like Ron.

Thanks for your hard work and your observations, my friend. Let's keep vigilent and pound on down this crooked path to wherever ir leads because we have, BY FAR, the best candidate in the race.

Bosso

Thanks for your
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Woot! Woot! Bravo!:D
 
THE LEADERS OF THIS CAMPAIGN CAN NOT WIN THIS ELECTION WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF WE "CONSPIRACY NUTS." They had better cut the crap and realize that things are far worse in this country than most people--even, apparently people within the rEVOLution--want to believe!!

(Or, might the thread deleters and the conspiracy pooh-poohers really be from somewhere other than the rEVLOution...Now there's a conspiracy theory we all need to chew on a bit...)
 
xao said:
I can't believe the fag-mods banned, member "gordon" or chef ramsey just because he spoke up about it. Whoever banned him clearly has a small penis.
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Looks like we may have to start a new forum. Requirements, balls and no Moles!
 
Oldguard said:
Iowa is good for a trial run. No disrespect intended. What I mean is ... as the first primary/caucus it gives the candidates and their organization an opportunity to reflect on the job they did. What errors were made, what misjudgments etc. With this as a learning opportunity, RP supporters should now apply what they've learned.

Every primary reveals something new which is why seasoned and winning campaign managers are in demand. Anyway, it should now be obvious the need to have a RP supporter in every precinct watching the count and recording the tally, everyones tally. There is nothing that keeps a person more honest than to have a set of eyes watching what they're doing.
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That appears to be done at most precincts! The real problem may start the time they receive the inforamtion over the phone! Who is monitoring that?
 
ashlux said:
Seriously? Does anyone else think this is a BAD idea? Was this the correct protocol?
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Exactly! They didn't even know what do! Everything was, "I don't know. Go ask John" Shouldn't they know by now protocol for the Iowa Caucus?
 
wowabunga said:
7 out of 7 strangers I bumped into to last night had never heard of Ron Paul. Zilch... Nada... a whopper'n ZERO PERCENT.

Tonight WE lost because the main stream media WON. WE were not robbed... the media merely did not and will not report on our efforts. Thankfully WE here are a bunch of bright FREE spirited citizens and we will overcome :)

Last night during our "letter writing party" meetup group effort here in central Pennsylvania, we ran out of envelopes and a pal and I walked down to the store to buy more. There was a Golds Gym opening up a new location in the same strip mall, and they were taking new membership applications. Their presentation was excellent... they were all fit and trim, all dressed up nice, bright colors and posters abound. Unfortunately none of the "20 something crowd" there in the gym had ever heard of Ron Paul. We gave the 7 of them some fliers and put in a few words. (Some positive video in a few days after I do some editing.)

What am I going to do going forward... I'm going to go find me 7 more people who have not heard the message of truth, and after that I'll find 7 more....

Peace and Joy
Ramblin Randy
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Woot! Woot! That's what I'm talkin' about!
 
We polled crap in Iowa because our Committed Voters were not called or taken to Caucus the day of.

Our Committed Voters were not called because the Master List, containing Paul voter information, was corrupted (ie rendered useless) the day of the Caucus.

This was reported by 2 seperate HQ Volunteers and GHemmbinger.

This "mistake" cost us between 5,000 to 8,000 votes - a Third Place Finish.


paulette said:
I sincerely regret to inform you that today, the GOTV day, the biggest day of the whole Iowa campaign for the 300 students up here, was completely destroyed--and the circumstances point towards a deliberate sabotage.

Our job? Call every Ron Paul supporter in the state (our numbers were bigger than Huckabee's), man as many precincts as possible, drive voters around, pick people up, get them back home, check voters off as they come in, &c., &c..

But then at 2:30 in the morning, all the camp leaders received a phone call that the database the Des Moines office put together of all our phone banking and door-to-door canvassing was totally scrambled, jumbled, and even partly deleted. All the data was scattered and completely jumbled. Missing phone numbers. Missing precincts. A big box of random data. Thousands and thousands of voters.
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http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=74939



Originally Posted by Krippy View Post
This is what cost us Iowa. The campaign failed to backup their data and was not able to provide the 250 student volunteers (which I am one) with the list of the supporters. Instead, we were given a shitty list of wrong numbers, dead people, and non-supporters to call just 2 hours before the caucuses started.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=74486&page=6
 
SteveMartin said:
THE LEADERS OF THIS CAMPAIGN CAN NOT WIN THIS ELECTION WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF WE "CONSPIRACY NUTS." They had better cut the crap and realize that things are far worse in this country than most people--even, apparently people within the rEVOLution--want to believe!!

(Or, might the thread deleters and the conspiracy pooh-poohers really be from somewhere other than the rEVLOution...Now there's a conspiracy theory we all need to chew on a bit...)
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Yup, us nutbags gotta get together and fix this shit. The rest of the people just want to pretend and hope but, it won't cut it. A lot of people are saying the people running this forum delete the threads help the fraud.

I just can't believe that everyone sees the biased media yet....they can't figure out 911 and they can't figure out the fraud....

They just want to hide under the blankets with their eyes closed and hope this will all go away.
 
http://www.rense.com/general79/oio.htm

sadly, I agree with you guys.



The Iowa Magic Show -
Smoke And Mirrors!
By Bev Harris
BlackBoxVoting.org
1-4-8


"I literally laughed out loud at the magic show the Republicans are putting on.

"We will be very transparent and report in live time on our Web site."

"Well not the details, precincts will come after the totals are announced " (think about this folks: You can't GET the totals without the precinct results. They're doing it out of order)

And then:

"Oh gee the web site isn't posting any results after all"

And then:

"Hello we are the networks and with 40% in we are projecting [note subtle misuse of language]
"Huckabee won Iowa"
[Correct language would say "we are projecting that Huckabee will win Iowa -- and not a single iota of results had been PUBLICLY released.]

Next we see the only live coverage, done by CSPAN, in which McCain thumps everyone.

Instead of counting in public, they had the public leave the room before the counting and things are being sorted out of view and counted under chairs and in in corners, with no public view of the data. This was done by perfectly nice people. Problem was, they didn't provide them with anything remotely sensible for a workspace -- like, oh, say a table and some chairs.

Next, we see a cell phone situation, which then inexplicably calls him back to tell him the call did not go through. Baffled, he says "we're done. I think."

More happy gesticulating by the networks pronouncing winners with great precision.

Still, at this time, not a thing has thus far been reported in "real time."

Then a nearly filled in map appears, but without telling us the percentage of precincts reporting and with no precinct data.

It's not up to the citizens to prove fraud. What we need is a system where the votes are counted in public (they were not, in Carroll County), and where we can check the precinct results against the reported precinct results.

What we got was a magic show.
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/71119.html?1199425776
 
In California

race for Governor how they did it is have all these obscure candidates like "Gary Coleman" or strippers then direct many votes to them in obscure counties. People say that Schwarzenegger did not win the first time, and maybe not the second. Thats how they do it. Fred Thompson didn't even show up to events and left people waiting. Fred is Gary Coleman.
 
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The "ballots" are slips of paper that are discarded immediately.
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Jon4Ron said:
Absolutely absurd! Would you stay with your Bank if they did this with your checks, without at least a digital archive? Voting should always have check and balances, there's no ifs ands or buts about it! It's our future on the line and it should be transparent and accountable. Unlike our current administration. Whether there was fraud or not this system SUCKS!!!
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Can someone please explain: Besides the obvious of what we ALL think, what is declared the REASON for immeudately discarding the ballots? :confused:

BizmanUSA
 
Today I heard Jim Condit claim on Katherine Albrecht's show that the RP HQ and Iowa coordinators were trying to smear him and discourage his vote watching efforts. Why would they (and the admins here) want to cover up vote fraud evidence? That makes no sense.
 
Everyone In Ther Paul Campaign And Meetup Groups And Volunteers Etc --


Back Up This Data On Your Personal Hard Drives.

When The Info Is Dispersed, It Can't Be Be Destroyed.

Redundancy.

Redundancy.

Redundancy.
 
Eh... I don't like these vote fraud threads. It's not that I'm unwilling to be seen as a conspiracy theorist or I don't want to think that we could have rigged elections. But it seems like a lot of you are grasping at straws here. If you see fishy stuff at the caucus, why didn't you confront it then, instead of saying "uh... uh they were doing something I didn't understood... this looked weird to me." Hell I can make the same complaint as you guys and I don't even live in Iowa (didn't even see any live coverage of it). It would be much better to see hard facts and proof in these threads, instead of everyone just saying "this looks fishy."
 
achilles28 said:
Originally Posted by Krippy View Post
This is what cost us Iowa. The campaign failed to backup their data and was not able to provide the 250 student volunteers (which I am one) with the list of the supporters. Instead, we were given a s***y list of wrong numbers, dead people, and non-supporters to call just 2 hours before the caucuses started.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=74486&page=6
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Absolutely horrible! NO backup lists were available? NO hard copies prepared? And they waited until the final day to try to get the info to the volunteers? That's almost asking for a Murphy's law situation. That list should have been backed up and distributed a WEEK prior, to work out logistics of contacting and driving people (then simply UPDATED the day before the caucus). This was either handled the wrong way by HQ, or they were victims of hacker sabotage.

That said, let's not bash 'conspiracy' people for simply suggesting things, in light of mistakes that were made all around. Let's stop sniping at each other.
 
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Peace&Freedom said:
Absolutely horrible! NO backup lists were available? NO hard copies prepared? And they waited until the final day to try to get the info to the volunteers? That's almost asking for a Murphy's law situation. That list should have been backed up and distributed a WEEK prior, to work out logistics of contacting and driving people (then simply UPDATED the day before the caucus). This was either handled the wrong way by HQ, or they were victims of hacker sabotage.

That said, let's not bash 'conspiracy' people for simply suggesting things, in light of mistakes that were made all around. Let's stop sniping at each other.
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I was using Politico.com to track the Iowa caucus, when I checked back today I noticed that there are still 17 counties showing less than 100% reporting....one county Marion is only showing 41% reporting. I added up Ron Pauls reported votes and the missing percentages are not counted in the reported total! What gives with that? ? Roll over the counties for % and vote totals.....
the website link I am referring to is:

http://www.politico.com/iowacaucuses/iowamap-popup.html


Please take a look and see what you think.....was it all counted?
 
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