We Used to Think the Military Would Stand Up to Trump. We Were Wrong.

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By Steven Simon and Jonathan Stevenson
Aug. 13, 2025


By ordering 800 National Guard troops to Washington, on the pretext of an illusory crime wave, President Trump has further dragged the U.S. military into domestic law enforcement, in a move credibly perceived as an ominous “test case.” This continues what the administration started in California in June as part of the its deportation efforts.

Unfortunately, though we (and others) had hoped that the military would only respond to calls to action in American cities and states kicking and screaming, we no longer expect resistance from that institution. Once, perhaps, traditionalist officers might have leaned on protocol and refused to heed a lawless order, taking inspiration from the generals — Mark Milley and James Mattis — who resisted the uprooting of established military standards in the first Trump term.

But today, general officers no longer seem to see themselves as guardians of the constitutional order.

It now seems clear to us that the military will not rescue Americans from Mr. Trump’s misuse of the nation’s military capabilities. Recent changes to the terms of the military’s employment by the Pentagon and its members’ incentives to career advancement will ultimately overcome any constitutional and moral qualms about their conduct.

Democratic civilian control and the apolitical professionalism of military officers have long been bulwarks against authoritarianism. This framework proved stable through the 20th century, even when tested by the Vietnam War, in significant part because American presidents and their civilian advisers could be trusted not to imperil the political integrity of the Republic.


Mr. Trump, however, has challenged this civil-military calculus. Since the military resisted his efforts to use active-duty personnel against Black Lives Matter protesters in 2020, liberals have put their faith in the military as a last line of defense against a rogue executive branch.

But Mr. Trump and his allies have incentivized loyalty over legality and professional competence in administering military promotions. Mr. Trump has dismissed top military personnel without cause and promoted supporters (like former National Guard three-star Gen. Dan Caine) to leadership positions. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth fired the military’s top Judge Advocates General, even though Pentagon lawyers see their job as facilitating policy objectives, not impeding them.

Furthermore, Mr. Trump has insidiously militarized domestic law enforcement by bureaucratic means.

There are structural as well as ad hoc components to Mr. Trump’s mobilization. He is effectively fusing Northern Command, or Northcom, and the Department of Homeland Security into a cooperative internal security body. Both were established after the Sept. 11 attacks to secure U.S. territory against external terrorist threats.

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When Obama was president and rumors were going around, I and a couple of others from my liberty group visited the National Guard. I asked a few of the Guard if they would obey and defend the Constitution, specifically the Bill of Rights, and their response was that they took a solemn oath and of course they would. I then asked, what if President Obama gave direct orders that violated the Constitution? Their response was that they would obey the violating orders because the President was the Commander in Chief.

So, there's that.

The Bill of Rights/Rule of Law mean nothing to "goons in uniform" and/or with "a badge".

It's not that the agenda has changed; it's that the People have become slowly acclimated and desensitized to the point of not caring anymore. And if their guy is in office, it makes them even more apathetic.
 
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If the military couldn't stand up to Biden with severe mental decline why would they be able to stand up to anybody?
 
If the military couldn't stand up to Biden with severe mental decline why would they be able to stand up to anybody?

I don't think even they genuinely believed it, I think they're just saying it to be dramatic

A.K.A. "lying"
 
I suppose I should not be surprised, that NY Times deep state authors, would be wrong about something

NYT opinionators? Wrong about something?

How is that even possible?

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DC is a federal district. The president can deploy the NG there. It is a lawful order. The military take an oath to defend the constitution and must obey lawful orders.

Using the insurrection act to deploy the NG in states gets murky. There are so many loopholes in it, Trump can probably get away with it. The military chain of command has to decide if they are lawful orders. I think if there is any doubt the chain of command will take the safe route and obey the order.
 
By Steven Simon and Jonathan Stevenson
Aug. 13, 2025


By ordering 800 National Guard troops to Washington, on the pretext of an illusory crime wave, President Trump has further dragged the U.S. military into domestic law enforcement, in a move credibly perceived as an ominous “test case.” This continues what the administration started in California in June as part of the its deportation efforts.

Unfortunately, though we (and others) had hoped that the military would only respond to calls to action in American cities and states kicking and screaming, we no longer expect resistance from that institution. Once, perhaps, traditionalist officers might have leaned on protocol and refused to heed a lawless order, taking inspiration from the generals — Mark Milley and James Mattis — who resisted the uprooting of established military standards in the first Trump term.

But today, general officers no longer seem to see themselves as guardians of the constitutional order.

It now seems clear to us that the military will not rescue Americans from Mr. Trump’s misuse of the nation’s military capabilities. Recent changes to the terms of the military’s employment by the Pentagon and its members’ incentives to career advancement will ultimately overcome any constitutional and moral qualms about their conduct.

Democratic civilian control and the apolitical professionalism of military officers have long been bulwarks against authoritarianism. This framework proved stable through the 20th century, even when tested by the Vietnam War, in significant part because American presidents and their civilian advisers could be trusted not to imperil the political integrity of the Republic.


Mr. Trump, however, has challenged this civil-military calculus. Since the military resisted his efforts to use active-duty personnel against Black Lives Matter protesters in 2020, liberals have put their faith in the military as a last line of defense against a rogue executive branch.

But Mr. Trump and his allies have incentivized loyalty over legality and professional competence in administering military promotions. Mr. Trump has dismissed top military personnel without cause and promoted supporters (like former National Guard three-star Gen. Dan Caine) to leadership positions. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth fired the military’s top Judge Advocates General, even though Pentagon lawyers see their job as facilitating policy objectives, not impeding them.

Furthermore, Mr. Trump has insidiously militarized domestic law enforcement by bureaucratic means.

There are structural as well as ad hoc components to Mr. Trump’s mobilization. He is effectively fusing Northern Command, or Northcom, and the Department of Homeland Security into a cooperative internal security body. Both were established after the Sept. 11 attacks to secure U.S. territory against external terrorist threats.

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Please do continue to post outright commie propaganda, it's refreshing to see you show your true colors.
 
OK, so you're just making up garbage then.

Because the one providing the distraction here is the OP by posting commie propaganda.

No, you're trying to distract from Trump's complete disregard of posse comitatus.

The New York Slimes generally engages in socialist propaganda, but in this case it's people like you, defending centralized federal control of all law enforcement, who is advocating techniques most often favored by commies.

And you aren't even smart enough to know what you do. Sad! It always amazes me that you have pretentions that you're conservative, but you're as quick to accuse others of your own sins as any lib who ever lived.

You're just as good at non sequiturs, too.

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No, you're trying to distract from Trump's complete disregard of posse comitatus.

The New York Slimes generally engages in socialist propaganda, but in this case it's people like you, defending centralized federal control of all law enforcement, who is advocating techniques most often favored by commies.

And you aren't even smart enough to know what you do. Sad!
Posse Comitatus doesn't apply to the NG in DC.
There are also other exceptions.

You are now trying to push the commie propaganda that everyone else has already dismissed for the garbage it is.
Thanks for showing your true colors as well.
 
Please do continue to post outright commie propaganda, it's refreshing to see you show your true colors.

The article says "Opinion":


It was a guest essay. It sounds like Steven Simon and Jonathan Stevenson are just trying to stay ahead of the curve because they value freedom. Not just Anti-Bill of Rights NEOCONS [like you] believe in freedom, you know.
 
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The article says "Opinion":


It was a guest essay. It sounds like Steven Simon and Jonathan Stevenson are just trying to stay ahead of the curve because they value freedom. Not just Anti-Bill of Rights NEOCONS [like you] believe in freedom, you know.
Nothing about the category of opinion keeps it from being propaganda, in fact, it facilitates it.

And this is nothing but commie propaganda because they value the subjugation of America by organized crime and foreign agents in order to eliminate freedom, just like you.
 
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