"We Tortured Some Folks": CIA Lied To Congress, Senate Torture Report Reveals

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This is so sickening. What kind of fucking animals can do this shit??
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Paid for by you and me. I am ashamed of this. To see that a third of these people here were innocent and had NO connections to terrorism at all makes me ill. The government has the nerve to tell the American public that they hate us for our freedom.

They hate us because we allow the psychopaths in our country to do these kind of things to other human beings.
 
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Fox News...SMH...

@ the 4:15 mark
“The United States of America is awesome, we are awesome,” she said. “But we’ve had this discussion. We’ve closed the book on it, and we’ve stopped doing it. And the reason they want to have this discussion is not to show how awesome we are. This administration wants to have this discussion to show us how we’re not awesome.”

“They apologized for this country, they don’t like this country, they want us to look bad. And all this does is have our enemies laughing at us, that we are having this debate again,” Tantaros added. “Because they believe if we can just shame ourselves and convince the world how horrible we are, and put us on a moral equivalency with all these other countries then maybe they will stop beheading Americans and putting our heads on sticks. They’re fools.”
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The report needed to be released. GOP would have buried it.

Absolute worse part I picked up on was CIA psychologists who created the torture program & participated themselves. They & other private contractors had no working knowledge of Al-queda.

So the agency was just torturing people, NOT stopping new attacks, understanding the "enemy", etc.

Perpetual, fraudulent war.

Haven't heard the media focus on this crucial fact
 
vita3 said:
The report needed to be released. GOP would have buried it.

Absolute worse part I picked up on was CIA psychologists who created the torture program & participated themselves. They & other private contractors had no working knowledge of Al-queda.

So the agency was just torturing people, NOT stopping new attacks, understanding the "enemy", etc.

Perpetual, fraudulent war.

Haven't heard the media focus on this crucial fact
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Just reading about that, sickening. Some were considered "too brutal", what kind of sicko does it take to come up with this stuff.

CIA paid psychologists $80m to devise and use torture techniques

A year later the contract was worth $180 million, although the contractors had been paid only $81 million by the time it was terminated in 2009.

While both psychologists had worked for the US Air Force, the report questions their suitability for the role.

"Neither psychologist had any experience as an interrogator, nor did either have specialised knowledge of al-Qaeda, a background in counter-terrorism, or any relevant cultural or linguistic expertise," it stated.

Despite that, the CIA approached them in 2002 for help after capturing Abu Zubaydah, a senior al-Qaeda figure.

They drew up a set of techniques based on the principle of "learned helplessness" - a theory developed in the 1960s from dogs that learned there was nothing they could do to avoid small electric shocks, and which continued to endure the shocks even when offered the chance of escape.

Zubaydah was kept in a brightly-lit all white room, with no facilities. His sleep was disrupted and loud noise constantly fed into the cell.

The CIA worked with Mitchell, Jessen & Associates to develop 20 enhanced techniques. Some were considered too brutal, eventually leaving 10 measures - including waterboarding, sleep deprivation and the use of stress positions.

While mock burials were not approved, the Department of Justice gave permission to allow insects to be used in a "confinement box".
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...80m-to-devise-and-use-torture-techniques.html
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Apart from the Snowden revelations, this report is probably the most important disclosure of CIA and other abusive intelligence programs since the Church hearings. Like in the '70's, we now have US Senate disclosed confirmation of massive conduct of 'evil ops' and the cover-up of same by the government. The fact that the Senate summary is doubtless cleaned up (and overstates the CIA's role to make them a scapegoat to cover the the entire establishment's sins) should not be overlooked.

Only the 600 page cleaned-up summary has been released to the public, not the 6,000 pages of classified documents that remain closed. Yet the FOX News/Neocon central command crowd claims even that is too much transparency. And that network played the "9-11, 9-11, WoT, WoT" card hard yesterday, saying that framework justifies the rough treatment "of just a couple of bad people" (Cavuto). The words "most of the tortured detainees were known to be innocent" strangely never passed the lips of the torture apologists during their all-day discussion of the report. I wonder why?
 
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Of course not...:mad:

CIA unlikely to lose power in wake of interrogation report

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The Senate report is a substantial blow to the CIA’s reputation, one that raises fundamental questions about the extent to which the agency can be trusted. And yet, as in those previous instances of political and public outrage, the agency is expected to emerge from the investigatory rubble with its role and power in Washington largely intact.

Indeed, the CIA is in many ways at a position of unmatched power. Its budgets have been swollen by billions of dollars in counterterrorism expenditures. Its workforce has surged. Its overseas presence has expanded. And its arsenal now includes systems, including a fleet of armed drones, that would have made prior generations of CIA leaders gasp.

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“What’s happened has already happened,” said William Banks, director of the Institute for National Security and Counterterrorism at Syracuse University. “No, nothing will change. The CIA is right there, in every place the United States is in,” conducting lethal drones strikes and paramilitary operations and gathering intelligence.

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Even so, the cycle of investigations has coincided with an era of dramatic expansion of authority and resources for the agency. Much of that CIA windfall has gone directly to the agency’s Counterterrorism Center, the entity that ran the secret prisons and interrogation program. The CTC’s workforce went from a few hundred to more than 2,000. Its expanded resources and authorities have enabled it to launch an array of covert programs, including the drone campaigns in Yemen and Pakistan.

Even in recent months as tensions over the interrogation report mounted, U.S. officials said, senior CIA officers who were involved in the discredited interrogation program routinely took part in classified briefings on Capitol Hill where they were congratulated on their counterterrorism work.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...9f38-95a187e4c1f7_story.html?tid=pm_world_pop
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Other detainees with broken legs and feet were inappropriately forced to sit in stress positions
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You know... making detainees sit in stress positions with broken feet is pretty fucked up and all... but the first thing that comes to my mind is why are there apparently so many detainees WITH broken legs and feet?

Have we been institutionally crippling detainees?

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Pakistani Christians Burned Alive Were Attacked by 1,200 People



 
 



By Wajahat S. Khan and Alexander Smith ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — A mob accused of burning alive a Christian couple in an industrial kiln in Pakistan allegedly wrapped a pregnant mother in cotton so she would catch fire more easily, according to family members who witnessed the attack.
Sajjad Maseeh, 27, and his wife Shama Bibi, 24, were set upon by at least 1,200 people after rumors circulated that they had burned verses from the Quran, family spokesman Javed Maseeh told NBC News via telephone late Thursday.





Their legs were also broken so they couldn't run away.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/p...-alive-were-attacked-1-200-people-kin-n243386
 
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presence said:
You know... making detainees sit in stress positions with broken feet is pretty fucked up and all... but the first thing that comes to my mind is why are there apparently so many detainees WITH broken legs and feet?

Have we been institutionally crippling detainees?
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Do you you have a position on torture of suspected detainees during freedom spreading ? Are you for or against torture to make America safer?


Wrongly detained, some in blatant cases of mistaken identity
https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/.../religion-cia-tort...Commonweal
8 hours ago - Religion in the CIA torture report ... a minimum of 20% of tortured detainees were wrongly detained, some in blatant cases of mistaken identity.



Some declassified details from so called "CIA Torture Report"

2. Those "rough" or "hard" takedowns involved CIA officers rushing into a detainee's cell, stripping him naked and running him up and down a long hall while slapping and punching him. "As they ran him along the corridor, a couple of times he fell and they dragged him through the dirt," the report says.

6. The CIA threatened the families of detainees. It used that prisoner's "fear for the well-being of his family to our benefit," according to the report, by "using 'vague threats' to create a 'mind virus.'" In another section, the report says "CIA officers also threatened at least three detainees with harm to their families -- to include threats to harm the children of a detainee, threats to sexually abuse the mother of a detainee and a threat to 'cut [a detainee's] mother's throat.'"

8. "At least five CIA detainees were subjected to 'rectal rehydration' or rectal feeding without documented medical necessity," the report said. More specifically, "Majid Khan's 'lunch tray' of hummus, pasta with sauce, nuts and raisins was 'pureed' and rectally infused."


9. The CIA officers involved in the detention and interrogation program weren't the most savory bunch. The group "included individuals who, among other issues, had engaged in inappropriate detainee interrogations, had workplace anger management issues and had reportedly admitted to sexual assault," the report said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/09/politics/cia-reports-shocking-passages/


And disgraced SWC appointed this Abu Ghraib "torture teacher" to White House position:

Friday, Mar 25, 2011 05:26 PM EDT

Top Bush-era GITMO and Abu Ghraib psychologist is WH’s newest appointment

UPDATED: Meet the newest member of a White House Task Force on military families

Topics: Torture

Dr. Larry James
(Updated below with White House response)

One of the most intense scandals the field of psychology has faced over the last decade is the involvement of several of its members in enabling Bush’s worldwide torture regime. Numerous health professionals worked for the U.S. government to help understand how best to mentally degrade and break down detainees. At the center of that controversy was — and is — Dr. Larry James. James, a retired Army colonel, was the Chief Psychologist at Guantanamo in 2003, at the height of the abuses at that camp, and then served in the same position at Abu Ghraib during 2004.
Today, Dr. James circulated an excited email announcing, “with great pride,” that he has now been selected to serve on the “White House Task Force entitled Enhancing the Psychological Well-Being of The Military Family.” In his new position, he will be meeting at the White House with Michelle Obama and other White House officials on Tuesday.
For his work at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, Dr. James was the subject of two formal ethics complaints in the two states where he is licensed to practice: Louisiana and Ohio. Those complaints — 50 pages long and full of detailed and well-documented allegations — were filed by the International Human Rights Clinic of Harvard Law School’s Human Rights Program, on behalf of veterans, mental health professionals and others. The complaints detailed how James “was the senior psychologist of the Guantánamo BSCT, a small but influential group of mental health professionals whose job it was to advise on and participate in the interrogations, and to help create an environment designed to break down prisoners.” Specifically:

During his tenure at the prison, boys and men were threatened with rape and death for themselves and their family members; sexually, culturally, and religiously humiliated; forced naked; deprived of sleep; subjected to sensory deprivation, over-stimulation, and extreme isolation; short-shackled into stress positions for hours; and physically assaulted. The evidence indicates that abuse of this kind was systemic, that BSCT health professionals played an integral role in its planning and practice. . . .

http://www.salon.com/2011/03/25/james_4/








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Army Psychologist Addresses Students at Colloquia

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Col. Larry C. James (ret.)
Col. Larry C. James (ret.), dean of the School of Professional Psychology at Wright State University, addressed Regent University's School of Psychology & Counseling (SPC) students on November 13, as part of the Doctor of Psychology (Psy.D.) 2009-2010 Colloquia Series.
 
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After Torture Report, Our Moral Authority As a Nation Is Gone
The torture report is nauseating, and the initial response almost equally so. We are in an existential leadership crisis with no way out.
http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/11/torture-report-how-america-lost-its-mora

We need to be clear about the ultimate import of the torture report, which covers a period from late 2001 through 2009 and whose release was unconscionably delayed for years. It won’t be the cause of lowered international esteem for America or even attacks on overseas personnel. No, that’s all due to the same old failed interventionist foreign policy, massive and ongoing drone attacks, and the proliferation of “dumb wars” over the past dozen years under both Republican and Democratic presidents and Congresses.

The torture report is simply the latest and most graphic incarnation of an existential leadership crisis that has eaten through Washington’s moral authority and ability to govern, in the way road salt and rust eat through car mufflers in a Buffalo winter. “America is great because she is good,” wrote Tocqueville back in the day. “If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” We’ve got a lot of explaining to do, not just to the rest of the world but to ourselves. How much longer will we countenance the post-9/11 national security state, which Edward Snowden’s ongoing revelations remind us are constantly mutating into new forms and outrages?

This is all far bigger than the run-of-the-mill awfulness of the past decade-plus of bipartisan blunders, mud-slinging, and scandals.

For most of the 21st century, faith in government has been fading like the last light sent off by a star that had died long before we even knew of its existence. Record low numbers of Americans trust the government to do the right thing and record high numbers see it as the biggest threat to the future. The 2000 presidential election was essentially decided by a coin toss, an unnerving reality from which we have never fully recovered. If the highest office in the land is governed by such caprice, maybe all of government is equally unmoored to anything other than a will to power and sheer luck. George W. Bush went into Iraq under specious circumstances. Under the most charitable interpretation, his administration was simply mistaken. Elected on a promise to undo Bush’s record on civil liberties, state surveillance, and foreign policy, Barack Obama arguably has been worse on every score. Is it any wonder that control of Congress is swinging back and forth like a tetherball?

The leadership in both parties is laughable and ineffective, incapable even of pushing a budget through in the official manner while missing no opportunity to sermonize on the real and imagined evils of their legislative adversaries. The torture report taunts both sides equally because in the final analysis, the difference between “How could you support this?” and “How could you let this happen?” is morally null and void.
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Amazingly, the early response to the torture report is almost as nauseating as the document itself. “I don’t want to know about it, I think people do nasty things in the dark,” whinged Fox News correspondent Jesse Watters on Outnumbered. “They didn’t even interview any of the CIA interrogators to do the report.” In the rush to avert his gaze, Watters didn’t bother reading footnote 3 on page 9 of the report, which documents how the CIA said “it would not compel CIA personnel to participate in interviews” with the committee. Watters and other critics also ignore the fact that the whole report is based on CIA documents. The investigators didn’t bother interviewing any Gitmo prisoners, either.
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But such criticisms don’t blunt the power of the torture report in any way, shape, or form. Even if the release was timed to shame the new Republican majority in Congress or pull the spotlight off Obamacare architect John Gruber’s pathetic testimony (as some conservatives allege), so what? Apologists for torture really are in no position to bitch and moan about the timing of revelations.
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