We shouldn't even know what Paul's religion is!

[LibertyEagle]

I'm sorry. I don't know what +1 means. I'm new to the board.

And I don't know what it means to give out too much Reputation.

It was a compliment.

The +1 means I agree with you.

I'm too tired right now to explain much about the rep thing. But, basically, if you have a lot, I think it's supposed to mean that you are someone who has made a lot of great posts. But, personally, I think it's more of a popularity contest. heh

 

[Brandon2012]

While I would love to go back and forth about this. And I'm glad it's been quite a civil exchange. I'll just agree to disagree here. My intent isn't to get too in depth into people's worldview. At least not yet. ;-)

But someone can say it's wrong to steal without saying it's the Christian motto. If Ron Paul never uttered the word, "Christian," would he suddenly choose to govern differently? Would his foreign policy change or economic policy not be the same or as valid? I agree with a lot of the morality put into the Bible, but that's just because there is a basic level of behavior necessary for a society to function with civility. I feel I have morals that most people would consider to be quite high, but I don't need Christianity to be that way. I respect Paul's beliefs, but I would prefer he didn't make religion an issue.

 

[Brandon2012]

It was a compliment.

Haha...thanks! And thanks for the clarification.

 

[Deborah K]

And you need to not get so defensive. I believe many politicians compete to prove who the biggest Christian is, and I don't want Ron Paul to get mixed up in that.

I'm tired of claims like your OP. You're new so you don't know how often we have to go to battle with secularists, and atheists over this issue. I apologize for my harshness.

As to your above post, you need not worry about that with him. He didn't get sucked into it last time, he won't this time either. There is a reason he has so many atheist and secularist supporters.

 

[EWM]

While I would love to go back and forth about this. And I'm glad it's been quite a civil exchange. I'll just agree to disagree here. My intent isn't to get too in depth into people's worldview. At least not yet. ;-)

A little civil debate is always good. People don't necessarily need to be convinced, but we all still learn something.

 

[EWM]

I'm tired of claims like your OP. You're new so you don't know how often we have to go to battle with secularists, and atheists over this issue. I apologize for my harshness.

As to your above post, you need not worry about that with him. He didn't get sucked into it last time, he won't this time either. There is a reason he has so many atheist and secularist supporters.

Right. And all I'm saying is that he will continue to attract more voters from all spectrums if he doesn't make his religion to heavy of an issue.

 

[Deborah K]

Right. And all I'm saying is that he will continue to attract more voters from all spectrums if he doesn't make his religion to heavy of an issue.

I guess my question for you is, do you think he is doing that now? And if not, then why are you harping on it? And if so, then cite some sources.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Right. And all I'm saying is that he will continue to attract more voters from all spectrums if he doesn't make his religion to heavy of an issue.

He never has. But, keep in mind that if he wants to reach many Republican voters, who largely are Christians, he may have to speak to them in terms that they can hear. Since he shares their faith, he can do that. Many Americans have been led astray for so long, that something has to break the walls that some have put up, so that they can look at what he is saying on the issues.

 

[EWM]

I guess my question for you is, do you think he is doing that now? And if not, then why are you harping on it? And if so, then cite some sources.

No, I'm not saying he's doing that. I'm more annoyed with voters and the media making an issue out of it. Why would a candidate's religion need to be put on the screen during a debate? It's ridiculous.

 

[EWM]

He never has. But, keep in mind that if he wants to reach many Republican voters, who largely are Christians, he may have to speak to them in terms that they can hear. Since he shares their faith, he can do that. Many Americans have been led astray for so long, that something has to break the walls that some have put up, so that they can look at what he is saying on the issues.

But isn't that the same as Obama telling the youth that he likes hip hop music? It's a tactic used to entice voters who aren't all that concerned with issues. I think as a society, we need to grow past these things.

 

[LibertyEagle]

But isn't that the same as Obama telling the youth that he likes hip hop music? It's a tactic used to entice voters who aren't all that concerned with issues. I think as a society, we need to grow past these things.

X, we are here.

I didn't suggest he should pander. Perhaps you should find the video where he spoke to the Faith and Freedom Conference folks in Iowa. Then, maybe you will understand what I am talking about.

 

[EWM]

X, we are here.

I didn't suggest he should pander. Perhaps you should find the video where he spoke to the Faith and Freedom Conference folks in Iowa. Then, maybe you will understand what I am talking about.

Would you like to post a link and address what you're referring to specifically?

 

[acptulsa]

I'm sorry. I don't know what +1 means. I'm new to the board.

And I don't know what it means to give out too much Reputation.

Actually, she gave you two compliments. Plus one, as she said, means basically you took the words right out of her mouth.

Reputation is given by clicking on the six-pointed star right next to the words 'blog this post' in the bottom left corner of a post. It can be good or bad. You only get to do this so often in a hour period; after that, when you try, it says 'you have given out too much...'

The reward? When you pass +three hundred rep points, for example, you get four little green pips between your handle and your avatar like me.

 

[silentshout]

I wouldn't mind candidates going on and on about their religion, if a non-religious (or even non-Christian) candidate was even given a chance in this country. pretty sad IMO.
I ignore it most of the time in the case of Ron Paul, though. He has his beliefs, which I don't share, but he isn't trying to force anyone else to believe what he does. He also doesn't constantly talk about his faith, which I like. He's nothing like Bachmann or Perry.

 

[BlackTerrel]

I don't think it should be the most important issue about him. But when you are talking about electing someone to the highest office in the land then his beliefs on the most important issues of the universe should be fair game.

 

[Brandon2012]

Actually, she gave you two compliments. Plus one, as she said, means basically you took the words right out of her mouth.

Reputation is given by clicking on the six-pointed star right next to the words 'blog this post' in the bottom left corner of a post. It can be good or bad. You only get to do this so often in a hour period; after that, when you try, it says 'you have given out too much...'

The reward? When you pass +three hundred rep points, for example, you get four little green pips between your handle and your avatar like me.

Thanks for the info

 

[Brandon2012]

Welcome here! I have also been tremendously blessed by John Robbins...I've probably driven everyone nuts here by posting so many of his articles and ideas

God used John Robbins to confirm in me even more that justification by faith alone is the gospel itself and the only sound basis of a free civilization.

Good to have you here! I agree with everything in your post except that I wish Dr. Paul would more explicitly ground his ideas of liberty in Scripture.

Sorry I never responded to this. I was doing everything on my phone. Wireless was out for a few days. I'm a big Robbins fan, therefore I'm a big Gordon Clark fan. And consider myself a Clarkian Calvinist (if there is such a thing). Glad to be here as well. I've been a Ron Paul admirer probably since '06. I like to hand out copies of "The Revolution" and talk about him whenever I can. And I agree...I wish he were able to ground his ideas of liberty more from Scripture as well.

 

[EWM]

I don't think it should be the most important issue about him. But when you are talking about electing someone to the highest office in the land then his beliefs on the most important issues of the universe should be fair game.

Who's universe?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Who's universe?

Apparently, some people want to know. What's it to you?

 

[jmdrake]

So religion and politics go hand in hand?

There's no need to hide it. You are what you are. The other day Gillette Penn was on CNN talking about the similarities between his atheism and his Christianity. You know what? I ain't mad at him. If atheism helps shape your world view so be it. But the same holds true for Christianity. The same would hold true for Islam or Judaism or Bahai or whatever. I've never heard Ron Paul say that other people need to be Christian or that "God is punishing America" for not being Christian enough for anything like that.

Now it's ironic that a few weeks ago someone was saying Ron should just randomly throw in some "Thank you Jesuses" and "hallelujahs". Just about everybody thought such pandering would be a bad idea including open Christians on the forum. But you've gone to the other extreme which is just as bad. While Ron should not pander to Christians by being fake, he should pander to non Christians by hiding who he is. Numerically that's just stupid. But it's also not genuine.

Last point. Ron's opponents are misusing the Bible to make the case for endless war. It's not only Ron Paul's right as a Christian to correct that, it's his duty. Independent of the political race, Ron needs to help in the effort to re-educate evangelicals from the idea that your Christianity is measured by how much you support Israel and/or how much you fearmonger about Sharia law. Ron is running this part of his campaign exactly the way he should.