We Need the Support of the LBGT Community

[AlexMerced]

This ranks right up there in importance with the "how to win progressives" and "we need atheist support" threads.

This is a national Republican primary, in case it has been forgotten for the umpteenth time. "We" need to go after conservatives and Christians (especially Protestants and Mormons in the west like Nevada) and gun owners and the like. People that, you know, actually decide whom the GOP nominee will be.

I understand, but not everyone in this forum is neccessarily in a position to really relate or be good advocates to the Republican primary voters, inw hich case they me be more useful advocating the center and left.

The main goal is the republicans primary, but if we have the wrong peoples reaching out to the right people and vice versa we might as well no be shooting oursleves in the foot

each person should reach to to communities they are part off, cause it's those people who'll they'll be able to convert the best.

 

[Meatwasp]

Why should we lead those people to us? They can come if they want

 

[Rebel4Liberty]

Well this is an interesting thread going, and I have a little news for the OP. I work inside the gay community, and with every chance I get to speak about RP's limited govt/freedom of choice I do so. I am pleased to say since 08, many have realized they were lied to and duped. Some are ashamed of falling for the hype of Obama. When you talk about Wall St, the FED and power elite with their social engineering agenda, it begins to make sense to them. You have to point it out and make them THINK about it then they start to stir from slumber. Some have surprised me, with forebear knowledge of reality around them and the truth, they just work the system instead of working for it! For the most part though I would say the message of the libertarian philosophy is being received better than it used to by gays from what I can tell

Still, I have been told numerous times "he can't win" but when that is said, my rebuttal is simply INFLATION and WHO speaks of that all the time. Not many are able to argue with that fact of who told the truth about the ECONOMY before the bust happened. As a poster here mentioned it is the ITCH to go after above all else.. no matter what "community", WE all have to eat and FOOD INFLATION is only getting started. I think when people gay, straight and everything else in between realize they are going to pay more for food/cost of living OR able to get less for their dollar spent,it will sink in about the quandary of a central bank that is disastrous for society, and is the ROOT cause of many issues that never get solved..... and who is the only man willing to do something before it becomes too late. We need to hammer on inflation/monetary policy as the key drivers to the campaign!

PS I was here in 08, so not a newbie. Just re-registered

 

[Dr.3D]

Why should there be support for any group? Why not just let free people live as free people and keep the government out of their business?

 

[Billay]

This really is just an awful thread.

 

[freedom-maniac]

This really is just an awful thread.

For what reason?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I disagree.

From the primary perspective - as you point out - there is little other option out there. Thus, there is little need to reach out to them. Plus, reaching out to the gay community risks alienating the Christian right - which is a far larger and more crucial primary voting block.

From a general election perspective, RP would again risk losing the religious right - which would certainly cost him the election. Plus, most in the gay community like an authoritarian government that tells people what to do - thus pushing for things like hate crime legislation and gay marriage.

I agree that most in the LGBT community are very liberal. My university is exactly like this. The LGBT "diversity" is one of their main mantras. They push the issue all the time. However, I have heard a lot of "it shouldn't matter what two people do in the bedroom," which is a very RP-like argument. Just because some of them hold the view that government should fix it, does not mean they can't be attracted by RP's message of personal liberty. I think they are a very worthwhile bloc of voters. And no, it wouldn't "alienate" anybody. Dr. Paul receives support from a wide variety of people for their own reasons. He can have both. It's a false dichotomy to assume he can only reach out to one bloc at a time and act like he doesn't know the others.

 

[freedom-maniac]

I agree that most in the LGBT community are very liberal. My university is exactly like this. The LGBT "diversity" is one of their main mantras. They push the issue all the time. However, I have heard a lot of "it shouldn't matter what two people do in the bedroom," which is a very RP-like argument. Just because some of them hold the view that government should fix it, does not mean they can't be attracted by RP's message of personal liberty. I think they are a very worthwhile bloc of voters. And no, it wouldn't "alienate" anybody. Dr. Paul receives support from a wide variety of people for their own reasons. He can have both. It's a false dichotomy to assume he can only reach out to one bloc at a time and act like he doesn't know the others.

Exactly. These people on here are saying that have LBGT voters somehow will "alienate" mainstream conservatives and prevent them from supporting Dr. Paul. It's a bad and unfounded arguement.

If they haven't been "alienated" by Ron Paul recieving support from:

• 9/11 Truthers
• Anarchists
• World of Warcraft
• Pot Smokers
• Nevada Prostitutes
• Annoying Spammers (like some of us)
• Pro-choicers
• and the Anti-War Left

I doubt gay Republicans will scare them off.

 

[Dr.3D]

Exactly. These people on here are saying that have LBGT voters somehow will "alienate" mainstream conservatives and prevent them from supporting Dr. Paul. It's a bad and unfounded arguement.

If they haven't been "alienated" by Ron Paul recieving support from:

• 9/11 Truthers
• Anarchists
• World of Warcraft
• Pot Smokers
• Nevada Prostitutes
• Annoying Spammers (like some of us)
• Pro-choicers
• and the Anti-War Left

I doubt gay Republicans will scare them off.

I haven't seen Ron Paul support any of those groups. He just supports that all people should have the liberty to make their own decisions without federal government intervention. Of course if the people wish, they may have their state regulate those kinds of decisions.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

FTW... any group without an understanding of the constitution want the government to put laws to make life easier for them it's natural

Not everyone was exposed to the Philosophy everyone here has, it's our job to outreach and educate

Thank you. I was not very clear in my response to this issue, but you summed it up pretty well. I don't think we need to focus on any groups. Let's reach out to everyone, regardless of what "group" they belong to.

 

[MelissaWV]

I think the "it's the primary" people are just trying to get the most bang for their buck. Holding LGBT-specific events or passing out LGBT-specific literature or whatever... it's a niche group (as far as registered GOP voters for those states that require such for primary voting).

Of course I still say we should just be reaching out to whomever we can, and not trying for special interest groups in particular.

 

[Billay]

For what reason?

You won't win the Republican primary pandering to the gay community. Doing so turns away 25% of the voting base it's just a really horrible idea.

 

[freedom-maniac]

You won't win the Republican primary pandering to the gay community. Doing so turns away 25% of the voting base it's just a really horrible idea.

Do you have an evidence to back your assertion? I'm not suggesting that Dr. Paul do this ,but that we should.

Your statement is wholly unfounded. Like I said, if having 9/11 truthers, anarchists, pot smokers, etc. supporting Dr. Paul and showing up rallies hasn't cost us the convservative vote, I highly doubt that having gay supporters will.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

I find myself constantly prejudiced against gay propaganda because I often see the recurring theme sexual orientation is not a choice. For those of you who lambasted me in the conversation pointing out that if sexual orientation is not a choice, then neither is social orientation and under that philosophy babies with the murder gene will be killed.

I find myself unable to work with that until gay propaganda and philosophy does not lead to persecuting people for being born who they are. Since the gay community often rallies behind not being persecuted for being born who you are on sexual orientation I am surprised the social orientation inconsistency has not been addressed.

I can accept everyone may be born with happiness preferences but it still requires active pursuit of innate happiness preferences once they are discovered through choice. If gay philosophy is going to render choice and the active pursuit of happiness irrelevant... on what grounds do you persecute someone for murder if it makes them happy?

 

[freedom-maniac]

I find myself constantly prejudiced against gay propaganda because I often see the recurring theme sexual orientation is not a choice. For those of you who lambasted me in the conversation pointing out that if sexual orientation is not a choice, then neither is social orientation and under that philosophy babies with the murder gene will be killed.

I find myself unable to work with that until gay propaganda and philosophy does not lead to persecuting people for being born who they are. Since the gay community often rallies behind not being persecuted for being born who you are on sexual orientation I am surprised the social orientation inconsistency has not been addressed.

I can accept everyone may be born with happiness preferences but it still requires active pursuit of innate happiness preferences once they are discovered through choice. If gay philosophy is going to render choice and the active pursuit of happiness irrelevant... on what grounds do you persecute someone for murder if it makes them happy?

Um...dude...do you know nothing of libertarian philosophy, whatsoever? I never would have believed I would hear such an argument on Ron Paul forums.

The basis of libertarian philosophy is that you have every right to do what you want to - whether by choice or nature - so long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others. Being gay - whether by nature or choice is irrelevant - infringes upon NO ONE'S rights, whereas murdering someone obviously does. Gays shouldn't have to justify themselves any more than people who "cling to guns and religion".

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Um...dude...do you know nothing of libertarian philosophy, whatsoever? I never would have believed I would hear such an argument on Ron Paul forums.

The basis of libertarian philosophy is that you have every right to do what you want to - whether by choice or nature - so long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others. Being gay - whether by nature or choice is irrelevant - infringes upon NO ONE'S rights, whereas murdering someone obviously does. Gays shouldn't have to justify themselves any more than people who "cling to guns and religion".

I said I find myself prejudiced against gay propaganda and I stated why. I do not agree with supporting killing babies who have the murder gene. I didn't pull the reasons I articulated out of my ass. They are real. Do you need examples of gay propaganda sexual orientation is not a choice?

There is nothing un-libertarian about exercising a personal preference to socialize with who I want to. There is nothing un-libertarian about articulating the reasons I find it difficult to work with a mindset that supports baby killing in the name of the murder gene. There is nothing un-libertarian about anything I expressed.

You are acting as if I advocated using violence against people because they actively pursue happiness with same sex partners. Get real...

Furthermore I said I was prejudiced against the propaganda not individuals.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Let's play word substitution... change the word homosexual to murderer (or any other word that can be used to articulate an unpopular social orientation)...

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

That baby is gay?

 

[AlexMerced]

I haven't seen Ron Paul support any of those groups. He just supports that all people should have the liberty to make their own decisions without federal government intervention. Of course if the people wish, they may have their state regulate those kinds of decisions.

It's not that those groups have been supported by Ron Paul, but those groups support of Ron Paul has been very open and visible. You average person doesn't seperate the difference.

 

[freedom-maniac]

Let's play word substitution... change the word homosexual to murderer (or any other word that can be used to articulate an unpopular social orientation)...

With all respect, I seriously don't understand what point you're trying to make here.

I can't tell if you're trolling me, or not.

Either way, I'm here not as a humanitarian asking everyone to accept homosexuality - that's not my problem - I'm hear as a tactician reminding us that we can't pass up the thousands of GOP voters who identify themselves as gay because we think they'd scare off "conservatives". Like I said that's false. The Log Cabin Republicans endorsed McCain in 2008, and he won.