Like Dick Cheney? The quail sniper? Lol.
I'm all for the state take over. Absolutely. Even if we don't secede we'd be like a different country compared to the other 49 states.
We need our own state.
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Like Dick Cheney? The quail sniper? Lol.
I'm all for the state take over. Absolutely. Even if we don't secede we'd be like a different country compared to the other 49 states.
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Let me clarrify why I am proposing Brewster and Presidio counties in SW Texas. Again, we need to get a couple of counties to secede and then form our own state. (I use the word "state" more in the sense of "nation" here.)
Ideally, those counties should be:
1. Very low popluation deonsity (these 2 counties have less than 10 people per square mile.)
2. Be on the border. (These 2 are on the border with Mexico.)
3. Be ideally suited for defense or evasion. (These 2 counties looks like ideal terrain for those purposes. Bordered by a foreign nation on three sides, very mountainous terrain.)
4. Have an existing population that is not totally ideologically dissimilar from ours.
With an existing population of only 15,000, we just need 15-20,000 people to move in, and we will have something we've only ever dreamed of since the socialists took ours away--a country of our own!
Ideally, those counties should be:
1. Very low popluation deonsity (these 2 counties have less than 10 people per square mile.)
2. Be on the border. (These 2 are on the border with Mexico.)
3. Be ideally suited for defense or evasion. (These 2 counties looks like ideal terrain for those purposes. Bordered by a foreign nation on three sides, very mountainous terrain.)
4. Have an existing population that is not totally ideologically dissimilar from ours.
With an existing population of only 15,000, we just need 15-20,000 people to move in, and we will have something we've only ever dreamed of since the socialists took ours away--a country of our own!
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How about Rhode Island? I think we'd all fit in there. 
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I do suggest that all of you read Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" and find out what she meant by 'sanction the victim' and why it was necessary to create Galt's Gultch. The key is the prosperity brought by the group to the state. That is the proof that will make all other states listen. Nothing else will.
I know a nice sunny country with nice white sand beaches and blue clear oceans. Taking over a small island nation is far easier than taking over a state. Tall glasses with small umbrellas and slices of fruit anyone?
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Those two counties in SW Texas have less than one person per square mile...sorry about the error in my last post claiming it was 10 psm. Those 2 counties are the same size as Switzerland.
High timber country. Mexico surrounding us on three sides is not as nice as Aroostook County, ME being surrounded by Canada on three sides, granted, but we do have the Rio Grande in between. Plus, it is a lot warmer and may have better initial job prospects as well.
I like the idea of starting our own island nation as well, but it better have some high ground (tsunamis/sea level rises) be non-volcanic, and be arable and large enough to support hundreds of thousands of people. If such a place exists, let me no where, and I am all in favor of buying it and starting our own nation there...
High timber country. Mexico surrounding us on three sides is not as nice as Aroostook County, ME being surrounded by Canada on three sides, granted, but we do have the Rio Grande in between. Plus, it is a lot warmer and may have better initial job prospects as well.
I like the idea of starting our own island nation as well, but it better have some high ground (tsunamis/sea level rises) be non-volcanic, and be arable and large enough to support hundreds of thousands of people. If such a place exists, let me no where, and I am all in favor of buying it and starting our own nation there...
Montana!
Paul's support is already quite large as we seen in the primaries. They are HUGE second amendment folks. The population is relatively small so our numbers would make a larger impact per capita. They are absolutely opposed to the REAL ID, and are ruggedly self-reliant... Man I think I just convinced myself to move!
Paul's support is already quite large as we seen in the primaries. They are HUGE second amendment folks. The population is relatively small so our numbers would make a larger impact per capita. They are absolutely opposed to the REAL ID, and are ruggedly self-reliant... Man I think I just convinced myself to move!
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Let's look for that perfect island, and buy it outright!!! Each of us can buy a chunk, or we can own the land in common--whatever.
Here's the first one I found. It's only 200 acres, but it's dirt cheap, still in North America, and very hospitable, climate-wise for all but the most wimpish hot-weather fans among us...lol...:
http://www.bcprivateislands.com/listings/heard_island/index.html
Let's all keep posting what we find! We really need a minimum of 5-10 square miles of arable land somewhere on an island with some high ground.
Here's the first one I found. It's only 200 acres, but it's dirt cheap, still in North America, and very hospitable, climate-wise for all but the most wimpish hot-weather fans among us...lol...:
http://www.bcprivateislands.com/listings/heard_island/index.html
Let's all keep posting what we find! We really need a minimum of 5-10 square miles of arable land somewhere on an island with some high ground.
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Own the land in common? ARRRRGH!
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Here is Koro Island in Fiji...1.26 square miles. Steep price tag compared to my last post:
http://www.caribbeanislandbrokers.com/Koro-Island-Beachfront/
http://www.caribbeanislandbrokers.com/Koro-Island-Beachfront/
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Historically, it can be done. Take the case of Singapore. It took a single man - JUST ONE MAN (Lee Kwan Yew) to create and turn that place into the only truly prosperous island nation in Asia. [Not a precise comparison I know, but a good example of a successful take-over nontheless.]
What more for Dr. Paul and his legion of supporters? We won't find it too hard. Most especially if we focus on generating prosperity through the precepts of peace and freedom. Supporting businesses with badly needed disruptive innovations would also help.
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500 acres in Maine for less than half a mil? I've only looked at the state of Maine on that site so far though... just lookin around =o
edit: "the island has only one other cottage on it and there are conservation easements in place which limit the total number of residences on the entire island to four."
edit: "the island has only one other cottage on it and there are conservation easements in place which limit the total number of residences on the entire island to four."
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TW,
I hear ya. I could go either way, though, if everyone else was leaning towards a "Kibbutz-like" arrangement.
I hear ya. I could go either way, though, if everyone else was leaning towards a "Kibbutz-like" arrangement.
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I'm inclined to say the Virgin Islands--if you're not afraid of hurricaines. Provided we can scrounge an effective navy, we've got our protection covered. Winning the natives over should be easy enough--just tell them that taxation without representation is tyranny!
Who needs a state? Let them keep fifty stars on the flag.
But if we really, really want a state or two, we should consider either New Mexico or the Dakotas. After all, either the Lakota Nation or the Navajo Nation are not only organized, but more than ready to tell Washington D.C. where to go. A lot of help and a lot of guns would convince them to just do it, I think.
Who needs a state? Let them keep fifty stars on the flag.
But if we really, really want a state or two, we should consider either New Mexico or the Dakotas. After all, either the Lakota Nation or the Navajo Nation are not only organized, but more than ready to tell Washington D.C. where to go. A lot of help and a lot of guns would convince them to just do it, I think.
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SC,
Maine islands are cold and largely inarable.
Maine islands are cold and largely inarable.
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I am thinking more along the lines of a purchase now.
However, I still think you must somehow secede from whatever nation you purchase the island from...If it was a small enough island nation you bought from, we'd have little to worry about...
However, I still think you must somehow secede from whatever nation you purchase the island from...If it was a small enough island nation you bought from, we'd have little to worry about...
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1.5 square miles, only 3.5 million Canadian:
http://www.vladi-private-islands.de/sale/site/html/cms_de-sale_detail_en-1230/
http://www.vladi-private-islands.de/sale/site/html/cms_de-sale_detail_en-1230/
I've heard the calls for Texas, NH, MT, AK, and ME.
I think each has its merits, but each is ultimately untenable whether for economic, societal, geographical, or psychological reasons.
I would like to propose Michigan.
If population density is an issue, we can limit ourselves to the upper peninsula, which is the most likely large part of any state to change political alignment - much more likely than a couple of counties in South Texas with expansive land borders.
Geographically - Its too cold in the winter and too hot in the summer, but is not exposed any natural disasters save an occasional tornado or blizzard. It has no exposure to sea-levels, if those were to become a problem, and it is relatively insulated from global warming effects, however they are being predicted to arise.
Aside from Alaska and HI, there is no land more easily severed from the outline of the US than Michigan.
Politically, traditionally very blue Union cities, very red Farming country.
Michigan has been the Canary for the US, and she's about dead. US Steel policy and NAFTA(IMO) were the top contributers to the fall of the auto industry. The blue collar base has been used and abused here, and are ready for something else (we just need to convince them that there is less risk in joining our cause than just voting for the new promise-maker).
There is going to be an up-tick in the farming market here this year - barring a wide loss of the Sugar Beet crop. The cities will continue to lose population and money, the suburbs will, for the first time since the 50s, stop growing.
The only strategic limitation is negotiating passage of the Erie Canal to maintain access to the sea.
I think each has its merits, but each is ultimately untenable whether for economic, societal, geographical, or psychological reasons.
I would like to propose Michigan.
If population density is an issue, we can limit ourselves to the upper peninsula, which is the most likely large part of any state to change political alignment - much more likely than a couple of counties in South Texas with expansive land borders.
Geographically - Its too cold in the winter and too hot in the summer, but is not exposed any natural disasters save an occasional tornado or blizzard. It has no exposure to sea-levels, if those were to become a problem, and it is relatively insulated from global warming effects, however they are being predicted to arise.
Aside from Alaska and HI, there is no land more easily severed from the outline of the US than Michigan.
Politically, traditionally very blue Union cities, very red Farming country.
Michigan has been the Canary for the US, and she's about dead. US Steel policy and NAFTA(IMO) were the top contributers to the fall of the auto industry. The blue collar base has been used and abused here, and are ready for something else (we just need to convince them that there is less risk in joining our cause than just voting for the new promise-maker).
There is going to be an up-tick in the farming market here this year - barring a wide loss of the Sugar Beet crop. The cities will continue to lose population and money, the suburbs will, for the first time since the 50s, stop growing.
The only strategic limitation is negotiating passage of the Erie Canal to maintain access to the sea.
