We need our own island

Not sure if I'm right, but it looks like this island is bigger and a lot cheaper than BoiPeaba.

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/argentinaisland.htm

"This river island, called "Ile Aguara Sur" is situated in the Helvetia District, Garay department of the province North of Santa Fe - about 100kms up the Parana River". This is an inland island. I dont think thats a good place to try and start up a new country, inside of another one. And the name of river it sits in is "Parana River" just doesnt sound like somewhere I want to swim or wash things in. So I vote no on this one.
 
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hell, check this one out:
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/guafo-island.htm


75,000 acres for only 7 million dollars!!!!!

we could have 75,000 people on here and they could all own an acre of land.

this is $93.33 an acre, if I did the math right

"This 75,000 acre parcel on a large island in southern Chile offers incomparable natural beauty and a unique investment opportunity."
This doesnt sound like your buying the entire island, just a piece of it.
 
"This river island, called "Ile Aguara Sur" is situated in the Helvetia District, Garay department of the province North of Santa Fe - about 100kms up the Parana River". This is an inland island. I dont think thats a good place to try and start up a new country, inside of another one. And the name of river it sits in is "Parana River" just doesnt sound like somewhere I want to swim or wash things in. So I vote no on this one.

Alright thanks for checking it out.
 
Honestly, no country will cede any of its land in this day and age. I suspect maybe for some insane amount of money (100s of millions+) you could find a corrupt enough government to take a bribe and give you the recognition you need to be considered a legitimate country (if they don't get the money and double cross you by taking the land back with their army later). Much like our forefathers, if you want to build a new nation you need to take the land by force. Nobody will give it away for free... (or cheap like the 10 million being passed around in this thread)

Then again, I doubt any assembly of Ron Paul fans would be strong enough to take down the Brazilian army...or even Argentina to take the island (and keep it) by force. If you did then of course you could use the money for weapons since the land is essentially free. "We claim this island for Liberty all I survey is now ours." Much like the conquerors from Europe did when they came to the Americas.

Perhaps finding a democratic country with a really really small population in the Caribbean would be plausible to take over from the inside (if they allowed foreigners to gain access to voting rights fairly quickly). I have always loved the online photos of Eleuthera and think a nice climate and centralized location like that may be perfect.

Maybe someone can do some research into bringing some of our ideas en mass to somewhere like Antigua (some of their recent battles against the WTO and others has always left me with a soft spot for the place)? In many ways that country is already headed in the right direction...
 
Honestly, no country will cede any of its land in this day and age. I suspect maybe for some insane amount of money (100s of millions+) you could find a corrupt enough government to take a bribe and give you the recognition you need to be considered a legitimate country (if they don't get the money and double cross you by taking the land back with their army later). Much like our forefathers, if you want to build a new nation you need to take the land by force. Nobody will give it away for free... (or cheap like the 10 million being passed around in this thread)

Then again, I doubt any assembly of Ron Paul fans would be strong enough to take down the Brazilian army...or even Argentina to take the island (and keep it) by force. If you did then of course you could use the money for weapons since the land is essentially free. "We claim this island for Liberty all I survey is now ours." Much like the conquerors from Europe did when they came to the Americas.

Perhaps finding a democratic country with a really really small population in the Caribbean would be plausible to take over from the inside (if they allowed foreigners to gain access to voting rights fairly quickly). I have always loved the online photos of Eleuthera and think a nice climate and centralized location like that may be perfect.

Maybe someone can do some research into bringing some of our ideas en mass to somewhere like Antigua (some of their recent battles against the WTO and others has always left me with a soft spot for the place)? In many ways that country is already headed in the right direction...

This may turn into that, however it is possible to purchase succession.
 
although it may be exciting to entertained the thought for a little while, the more you think about it, realistically, the more you realize it is pipe dreams.

the first problem that arises, i've heard estimates of 10 million for an island.
that of course is to own as private property. not as an independent sovereign nation.
this in such results in two problems,

raising a minimum of $10,000,000 and then even after that you still wouldn't be recognized as a sovereign nation.

what eventually would happen, when you attempted to succeed from the mother country, they wouldn't send an army or navy, they would laugh. this is the case in all micro-nations. you wouldn't pose a threat to the mother nation.

your actual problem, would be pirates. yes, pirates. they still exist. they have no moral judgement or respect for freedom. protection against these men would be your biggest problem. protection would cost more money.

that is if you were able to set up a viable farm. (i use farm because anything else would distort this idea, out of proportion.) it could take years and countless millions of dollars to set up a greenhouse, the size i've heard thrown around. and even if a greenhouse was established, now you have the question of how to distribute the food. most likely resulting in a form of rations, like that of the early americans, bordering on socialism.

but the thing is, it wouldn't be socialism because it wouldn't be a form of government. in the broad sense of the word. you'd merely be a community living on an island, that most likely won't have adequate farm land, protection, etc.

infrastructure takes years if not decades to step up. and another enormous amount of cash. at least equal to that of the island.

this just doesn't have the man power or the necessary funds to be viable. from what i can tell this idea will never leave these forums. the idea isn't revolutionary, micro-nations exist all throughout the world, but no one takes them seriously.

this whole idea conflicts with the revolution. we can defeat the system from within.
instead of entertaining fantasies of lost or castaway, we should be educating ourselves, spreading the message of freedom, and using all our effort to realize our true goal. freedom.
 
although it may be exciting to entertained the thought for a little while, the more you think about it, realistically, the more you realize it is pipe dreams.

the first problem that arises, i've heard estimates of 10 million for an island.
that of course is to own as private property. not as an independent sovereign nation.
this in such results in two problems,

raising a minimum of $10,000,000 and then even after that you still wouldn't be recognized as a sovereign nation. [/QUOTE]

Raising 10 million is very viable; If we had 1,000 people who each payed 10,000 the figure would be raised. After all, Ron Paul raised that a few times over!

what eventually would happen, when you attempted to succeed from the mother country, they wouldn't send an army or navy, they would laugh. this is the case in all micro-nations. you wouldn't pose a threat to the mother nation.

your actual problem, would be pirates. yes, pirates. they still exist. they have no moral judgement or respect for freedom. protection against these men would be your biggest problem. protection would cost more money.

Yes they do exist, however with our volunteer militia, (a large part of who have weapon training, and some with military experience) would be capable of defending ourselves.

that is if you were able to set up a viable farm. (i use farm because anything else would distort this idea, out of proportion.) it could take years and countless millions of dollars to set up a greenhouse, the size i've heard thrown around. and even if a greenhouse was established, now you have the question of how to distribute the food. most likely resulting in a form of rations, like that of the early americans, bordering on socialism.

Farmland would be plentiful, and the technology available to create efficient farm space would also be doable. If we had 1,000 people to start out with, we could feed them on a single acre of land, with modern farming equipments and techniques.

but the thing is, it wouldn't be socialism because it wouldn't be a form of government. in the broad sense of the word. you'd merely be a community living on an island, that most likely won't have adequate farm land, protection, etc.

infrastructure takes years if not decades to step up. and another enormous amount of cash. at least equal to that of the island.

this just doesn't have the man power or the necessary funds to be viable. from what i can tell this idea will never leave these forums. the idea isn't revolutionary, micro-nations exist all throughout the world, but no one takes them seriously.

The only "communism" involved would be in purchasing the land, after that we would have minimal government, low (if any) taxes, and free trade.

this whole idea conflicts with the revolution. we can defeat the system from within.
instead of entertaining fantasies of lost or castaway, we should be educating ourselves, spreading the message of freedom, and using all our effort to realize our true goal. freedom.[/QUOTE]
This is part of the revolution, not in conflict with it.
 
Gaining international recognition as a country doesn't really matter. Being self sufficient DOES matter. How exactly would anyone "rule" you if you were on an island? The only way to enforce laws would be to invade the island... which would hardly be worth the effort. Essentially, no one loses.

The main thing is sustainability. Could we survive on the island. What natural resources would be there? How would we get water and trade with others for other goods? How would we generate revenue to buy those goods? Would we be able to get the internet to market things produced there? Would we be able to get livestock in order to have food? Would there be enough grass/hay to support these animals?

All those types of problems are the main issue. Also, what kind of population would we have to support? 100 people? 1000? If so, it would have to be a pretty big place just to support people food wise...

Then you get into problems with what kind of laws and punishments would be acceptable to people living there. Would you do a democratic style process for creating laws? Would the Island be set up like a real country, or an Anarcho-primivitist retreat...

Then again, it could be opened as a tourist location and members could go there to spend vacations and so on depending on access... but if we aleinate the 'owner' country, the might cut off access to others coming there.
 
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