We need our own island

For all of you that wish your own Island, please watch the movie "Mosquito Coast", it is a scenario not to be taken lightly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mosquito_Coast

The Mosquito Coast

The article is about the novel and film. For the Central American area see Mosquito Coast.

The Mosquito Coast
Directed by Peter Weir
Produced by Jerome Hellman
Written by Paul Theroux (novel)
& Paul Schrader (screenplay)
Starring Harrison Ford
Helen Mirren
River Phoenix
Music by Maurice Jarre
Cinematography John Seale
Editing by Thom Noble
Distributed by Warner Bros.
Release date(s) 1986
Running time 117 min.
Language English
IMDb profile

The Mosquito Coast (ISBN 0-14-006089-8) is a 1982 novel by Paul Theroux and a 1986 film based on the book. Harrison Ford, Helen Mirren, and River Phoenix star in the film directed by Peter Weir.

[edit] Plot summary

Maverick inventor Allie Fox finds little support for his inventions in the United States. He is disgusted by American culture, economic structure, and class division. In an act of extreme rebellion, he moves to the Mosquito Coast of Honduras with his wife and four children. He purchases a township in the jungle from a man in a local bar. After difficulty, they arrive at the town of Jeronimo in the jungle. Allie Fox creates his own anti-establishment paradise in Honduras, and lives there with the Zambus and Maywit family.

Under Allie's authoritarian leadership the family, the Zambus and the Maywits build a settlement in the jungle. It includes an ice factory (dubbed the "Fat Boy"), providing useful cooling for the settlement and the region. During several occasions Allie enters into conflict with a missionary who wishes to spread the word of Christianity to the township. One day three armed men demand to stay at the settlement. The threat and loss of freedom is countered by making a bedroom for the men in the ice factory, locking it and cooling the room to freeze them to death. However, they start shooting from inside, causing a fire which not only kills them, but also destroys the whole settlement and pollutes the river.

Although the other family members want to return to the U.S., Allie insists in starting again at a new location. He lies, saying the U.S. has been destroyed in a nuclear war, which some of the children believe. On occasion, family members plan to sneak away to leave, or even consider killing Allie. As a local man and friend of the family had warned, the water level gets high and the new settlement is also destroyed.

On the move again, they arrive at a mission church and small township. Suffering from mental anguish, Allie sets the church on fire, after which the missionary with whom he had come into conflict earlier shoots him. On the way home, travelling downstream by boat, he is paralyzed and dying. The family lies, telling him that they are going upstream, as he wants. They are in reality going downstream towards the ocean and back to America.

The book is written from the viewpoint of the eldest son, Charlie, played in the film by River Phoenix.

Taglines:

Allie Fox followed his dream to the Mosquito Coast. He planned a paradise. He created a Hell.

How far should a man go to find his dream? Allie Fox went to the Mosquito Coast. He went too far.

[edit] External links

* The Mosquito Coast at the Internet Movie Database
 
This is very interesting to me. I run my own buisness now, and could probably run something on "the island" as well. I'd also be willing to work something else as well. Communities used to be set up by hundreds of people, not thousands. No reason that we couldn't do it as well. With the internet, we're already ahead of the game! Will keep an eye on this one :)
 
skinnyskittles has the right idea. we just need to follow the blueprint that rothbard set down so beautifully.

most people, I assume, would like to start a new island to flee the oppression of the sheer statism in the united states. unfortunately, when mulling over how to best develop the island people go straight into top down central planning mode. utilities, transportation, currencies, security etc., are all "nerve centers" that people think the government must control. this is ridiculous. literally everything would be provided for by the free market. if there is a demand then it will be supplied. very simple and very effective. each person just needs to focus on their own life and everyone will be fine. the more people pursue their self-interest the wealthier the society will become. it is the noblest thing they can do, in fact.


many people are especially confused about currency simply assuming it would be a precious metal. the currency would not be gold or silver anymore than it would be USD. there simply would be no legal tender laws. people would be free to use commodities, fiat paper, or anything else when entering into contracts. the reason USD is used in the US is because it is illegal to use any other currency and courts won't enfore contracts in anything but USD. the private courts on the island would enfore contracts in anything at all. usually when there are no legal tender laws gold emerges as the favored currency. this would simply be a custom though, it would have no legal backing.

as far as national security, this would be provided for by a voluntary militia. since every citizen will bear arms the citizenry will already be proficient in small arms. any funds that the militia need to operate on would be provided voluntarily by the community. since the community itself would be at stake in the case of an invasion it wouldn't be hard to raise funds. this would also be a virtual foolproof check against nefarious intentions. if the people don't agree with something they don't need to finance it.

finally, people should watch "The Beach". it is a solid movie that touches on this topic. the book is much better apparently, though I haven't read it.

just noticed "The Mosquito Coast" movie...that seems even more relevant.
 
kodoandkang said:
we just need to follow the blueprint that rothbard set down so beautifully.

most people, I assume, would like to start a new island to flee the oppression of the sheer statism in the united states. unfortunately, when mulling over how to best develop the island people go straight into top down central planning mode. utilities, transportation, currencies, security etc., are all "nerve centers" that people think the government must control. this is ridiculous. literally everything would be provided for by the free market. if there is a demand then it will be supplied. very simple and very effective. each person just needs to focus on their own life and everyone will be fine. the more people pursue their self-interest the wealthier the society will become. it is the noblest thing they can do, in fact.


many people are especially confused about currency simply assuming it would be a precious metal. the currency would not be gold or silver anymore than it would be USD. there simply would be no legal tender laws. people would be free to use commodities, fiat paper, or anything else when entering into contracts. the reason USD is used in the US is because it is illegal to use any other currency and courts won't enfore contracts in anything but USD. the private courts on the island would enfore contracts in anything at all. usually when there are no legal tender laws gold emerges as the favored currency. this would simply be a custom though, it would have no legal backing.

as far as national security, this would be provided for by a voluntary militia. since every citizen will bear arms the citizenry will already be proficient in small arms. any funds that the militia need to operate on would be provided voluntarily by the community. since the community itself would be at stake in the case of an invasion it wouldn't be hard to raise funds. this would also be a virtual foolproof check against nefarious intentions. if the people don't agree with something they don't need to finance it.
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exactly haha
 
ive been joking about "paultopia" for a long time now.... you guys know im totally in.... i will SO live on the beach in a tent to do this


someone should grab www.ronpaulisland.com or something and make a way for people to sign up to inquire about info, and recieve status updates:rolleyes:
 
CurtisLow said:
1000 people per acre in a greenhouse per day?

won't happen.... Show me the facts.
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http://smallfarms.typepad.com/small_farms/2006/04/where_theres_a_.html

Growing Power in Milwaukee, Wisconsin provides food to 2000 people... on a 2 acre farm that consists mainly of greenhouses. It can be done on a small scale, in Wisconsin, throughout the winter, and it can be done on a large scale too...

http://smallfarms.typepad.com/small_farms/2006/04/where_theres_a_.html said:
So we invited ourselves, Mary Catherine and I, out to see what was so unusual at the Growing Power center. I was aware that Will Allen would be teaching courses: once a month, several dozen people come to spend a weekend at Growing Power to learn how to maximize the output and create an efficient and sustainable ecosystem that can feed 2000 people on two acres. I issued my usual, "I promise not to get in anyone's hair" promise, and we arrived the next afternoon.

...

Cynthia's family owned a farm in Oak Creek, a suburban city near Milwaukee. While working in corporate marketing jobs that included Proctor & Gamble, Will continued to farm. He snapped up the two-acre parcel that is now the Growing Power center, merely because it was still zoned for agriculture in an increasingly industrial city, and because he needed somewhere to sell what the Oak Creek farm was producing. It was being in the city and seeing urban blight and the poor health resulting from poverty and crowded living conditions that turned Allen's attention to new farming techniques. These techniques synthesized into the incredibly productive system that allows Growing Power the potential to earn a $5/square foot yield, as opposed to a $1/square foot yield that is the conventional farmer's average.

As his "farm" developed, so did the realization that he could help others create communities that were centered on healthy, affordable food. And so the farmer became the teacher, the coach, the architect for a new vision that has swept literally thousands of people up in the spirit of "We can do this." Growing Power is an organization with many offshoots and partners: from youth education to partnering farms who use Growing Power to distribute their produce, in the aptly named Rainbow Farmers Cooperative. (The "rainbow" includes Hmong, African-American, and white farmers in the Milwaukee area.) Collectively, they were able to make inroads in local supermarkets, delivering high quality produce at competitive prices: clearly it was a case of "swim together or sink alone." Another strand in the braids of community that run through the projects of Growing Power.
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kodoandkang said:
skinnyskittles has the right idea. we just need to follow the blueprint that rothbard set down so beautifully.

most people, I assume, would like to start a new island to flee the oppression of the sheer statism in the united states. unfortunately, when mulling over how to best develop the island people go straight into top down central planning mode. utilities, transportation, currencies, security etc., are all "nerve centers" that people think the government must control. this is ridiculous. literally everything would be provided for by the free market. if there is a demand then it will be supplied. very simple and very effective. each person just needs to focus on their own life and everyone will be fine. the more people pursue their self-interest the wealthier the society will become. it is the noblest thing they can do, in fact.


many people are especially confused about currency simply assuming it would be a precious metal. the currency would not be gold or silver anymore than it would be USD. there simply would be no legal tender laws. people would be free to use commodities, fiat paper, or anything else when entering into contracts. the reason USD is used in the US is because it is illegal to use any other currency and courts won't enfore contracts in anything but USD. the private courts on the island would enfore contracts in anything at all. usually when there are no legal tender laws gold emerges as the favored currency. this would simply be a custom though, it would have no legal backing.

as far as national security, this would be provided for by a voluntary militia. since every citizen will bear arms the citizenry will already be proficient in small arms. any funds that the militia need to operate on would be provided voluntarily by the community. since the community itself would be at stake in the case of an invasion it wouldn't be hard to raise funds. this would also be a virtual foolproof check against nefarious intentions. if the people don't agree with something they don't need to finance it.

finally, people should watch "The Beach". it is a solid movie that touches on this topic. the book is much better apparently, though I haven't read it.

just noticed "The Mosquito Coast" movie...that seems even more relevant.
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1) I think the above would be the way to go.

David Friedman also has a book on this:
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Libertarian/Machinery_of_Freedom/MofF_Contents.html

I think this makes sense if we go in an anarcho-capitalism direction because that hasn't been tried before and the US would probably never go there on its own.

I think it would be interesting just to see if we could pull it off as a test case for the world.

2)Also, here was a list of small countries:
http://geography.about.com/cs/countries/a/smallcountries.htm

I noticed some of them were larger countries with many islands, some of which were uninhabited. Maybe we could just buy the island from the country for a hefty price.

"Palau - 191 square miles - Palau (also known as Belau) was a Trust Territory of Pacific Islands. It was formerly known as the Carolines and is composed of more than 200 islands in the Pacific; the population is about 20,000. It became independent in 1994. "

"Maldives - 115 square miles - Only 200 of the 2000 Indian Ocean islands which make up this country are occupied by 340,000 residents. The islands gained independence from the U.K. in 1965."

3) If we don't do 2), then we would probably have to do this(create an island):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva

But instead have it further from any other and be prepared to defend it right after saying it is a country.
 
Live_Free_Or_Die said:
Money will not be a problem, free markets that protect privacy and property rights will always attract a financial market and money.

Energy, Defense, & Sovereignty are the big hurdles

----------->http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
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Were basically ok as long as we don't get attacked, and are recognized by the rest of the world as a sovereign nation, or at least ignored by the rest of the world.
 
I think a form of government that would work is by the internet, use a secure site and have people vote on what they want, :cool: on a side note why not buy a tiny island and build it up, expand the island with dredging and piling the sea bed up to make it bigger, essentially you could make it any size you want
 
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