We need our own island

[LibertiORDeth]

Remember, we need to have enough farmland to feed everyone on the island... Of course, that's why I get 40 acres... and a little beach-front property, because I'll have the greenhouses set up on that 40 acres that can supply food for 40,000 people... I have technology available that feeds 1,000 people per acre of greenhouses... you want me there. =)

On that note, I think I'll need 100 acres... 40 for the farm, 60 for the hunting... and only more farms surrounding me... and a landowner compact that gives all the farmers the right of first refusal when someone wants to sell their farm land and move to the "big city"... lol

Wow 100 per acre? I was estimating 6 per acre, since you can feed 8 people per acre by my research. So we can hold a lot of people.

 

[freedominnumbers]

I bet we could find enough ocean dumped materials to build up the entire island. I would bet there would be some multinational companies that would sponsor the creation of the island in exchange for certain rights, like a reality TV series.

Maybe GE would install power as some type of prototype test bed.

 

[american.swan]

I bet we could find enough ocean dumped materials to build up the entire island. I would bet there would be some multinational companies that would sponsor the creation of the island in exchange for certain rights, like a reality TV series.

Maybe GE would install power as some type of prototype test bed.

Good idea.

 

[EvilEngineer]

Well if you guys want help with some draft ideas, and are really SERIOUS, let me know. I'd love to talk in depth with someone about ideas like this. I'm an ocean engineer, so the concept of developing an island nation from scratch, is right up my dream job ally.

AIM: RonPaulEngineer

 

[american.swan]

Well if you guys want help with some draft ideas, and are really SERIOUS, let me know. I'd love to talk in depth with someone about ideas like this. I'm an ocean engineer, so the concept of developing an island nation from scratch, is right up my dream job ally.

AIM: RonPaulEngineer

Your going to be valuable.

With all our different expertise we should be able to get this going in a few years.

Plan well or it won't work.

 

[Kludge]

I think Jim Jones had an idea similar to this.... ;P

 

[TruePatriot44]

Not an island per say, but its not connected to the U.S.

The Northwest Angle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_angle

 

[Cali4RonPaul]

You couldnt buy any of these islands and form your own country because it would sit within the territorial waters of the nation next to it..

Best would be to source a coral reef that is slightly submerged but far from any islands or territorial waters.. And dredge it to create an artificial island pumping sand and rock from the depths below.. and importing earth from australia or papua new guinea etc. to add more land to it..

 

[UziSprayTF]

I'm a structural engineer with construction management, building science and geotechnical experience/education. I also know about silvicuture, and investment derivatives.

<$5000 I am in for SURE! Start a website with pledgers!

 

[ZzzImAsleep]

I'll be the first recipient of welfare!

I'm kidding.

 

[Wyurm]

if we are serious about doing this, count me in. My area of expertise is in building materials.

 

[mackler]

We really only need one thing: a good court system that recognizes individual liberties. Once we establish the island as a total free-trade zone, the entrepreneurs will come in droves and the island will be covered in gleaming sky-scrapers within a few years. You'll be able to get your greenhouse-construction supplies at bargain tax-free prices from your choice of local dealers. Of course, you might end up reconsidering your career choice as farmer once you see how much competition you have.

 

[Proton]

Remember when the Pirate Bay was looking to become their own country? (Sealand)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/12/pirate_bay_buys_island/

I spent weeks on their Sealand forums arguing with all the people who dreamed of starting a communist 'paradise'.

Things like transportation and utilities should NOT be handled by a government. If you are still on these forums this far into the primaries, hopefully you believe in & trust the free market.

You don't need to be a self-sustaining island where all the food is grown locally either. Free trade and a free market would ensure plenty of food would be available.

I wold definitely consider being involved in a project like this.

 

[Jaykzo]

I think Jim Jones had an idea similar to this.... ;P

Ya know, that thought crossed my mind as well.

But then I starting thinking rationally. These two scenarios are outrageously different. We are talking about finding our own land to share, because we share like beliefs.

Jim Jones was an individual who imposed his idea of a perfect society on all those who trusted him enough.

So the idea of comparing this to Jim Jones or Waco is just completely ignorant. I'm not accusing you of being trollish, I can see you're being sarcastic, I'm just putting this out there.

 

[EvilEngineer]

To be honest though, in this day in age, the only viable way to do a venture like this is under the pretense of a corporation.

Liberty Island Corp. or something like that.

As much as we'd love to have complete freedom on the island from the get-go, without good leadership to steer the project through to turning a profit and achieving self sufficiency, it would be doomed to failure. This is not to say that we can't run a corporation like a government in and of it's self. But, to begin with it would require a regulatory body and divisions of labor to accomplish a task of this sort.

The balance of power on this would have to be derived from an inverse incentive system. Historically we have problems with leaders because they exploit their positions for personal gain. We would need a balance against this, say, a suspension of all property and some rights and force near poverty level living while in a position of power. The governor hovel, instead of the governor mansion. If at the end of their term, they have produced a net gain for the society, their property and rights are restored with back pay + interest. If they fail to achieve or are kicked out for ethical problems, they lose everything and face possible exile. In this, there are serious incentives to do well, and to NOT screw over the people just for the sake of holding a position of power. Only those who seek the job out of desire to serve, will take it instead of those who exploit it for profit.

 

[SeanEdwards]

Truther isle?

No thanks.

 

[NerveShocker]

It appears nobody in this thread has read any of Edward Griffens books or seen his videos. He is a big supporter of Ron Paul and spoke at the Tea Party rally. He explains what we're up against and also goes over all the possible solutions. He explained how the only solution that will solve the problem is to fight to get back our country. He went over all the courses of action you can take. Such as giving up, joining the enemy, or running. He even went as far as to joke that you can hide on a island but that it doesn't solve the problem for you and your kids. Running is never a good option you have to stand your ground, not be run out of your homes and country.

 

[garrettwombat]

as much as i would love to live on an island with a bunch of my best buds... it wouldnt be practical...

unless we could figure out a way to make money off the island it wouldnt be worth it.

 

[ksuguy]

What's to stop any nearby countries from coming in and annexing your island?

 

[nf7mate]

What's to stop any nearby countries from coming in and annexing your island?

Your militia.