We need a very calm person who has been following this well to post the FACTS

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There are too many threads, and we have lost track of the important facts in the mess of everyone's remarks, opinions, and assumptions. We need someone INFORMED who has been following this to post facts - like in bullet format (easy to read) about what we really truly know here and what MOST LIKELY is fraud. I agree that the missing 31 votes is HUGE, but that CAN be chalked up to error and that in itself isn't quite enough, imo. In order to follow through with anything and not be the huge laughing stock, then we need more actual proof.

The bump for Hillary is very contradictive apparently to any poll that has been done recently in NH that put her double digits behind Obama ...

It is VERY hard to understand how we could do WORSE in NH than in IOWA?!?!?!?!?

We have had a nice lady admit to losing 31 votes due to what she calls human error.

Different websites are posting different results that totally don't correspond to one another.

Hillary supposedly had lawyers kick our poll volunteers out of a few precincts.

Does anyone want to contribute and then we can really evaluate how likely FRAUD is to blame for this stuff?
 
Please when you respond, keep ordinary comments out of this. Just post FACTS in case I have missed a bunch. It is TOO DIFFICULT and a waste of time to flip through threads that are 20 pages long.
 
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Last night we poured over the town totals.

Somebody reported they thought sutton should have more than zero because they knew people who had voted in sutton for ron paul.

We ran a stats test on sutton to determine the probability of zero votes for Ron Paul was very low, that is, almost no chance of him getting zero votes.

Today it turns out 31 votes were left behind in sutton.

Last night with 100 percent of the votes counted there were four or five more towns that were zero votes for Ron Paul.

Tonight those towns have mysteriously picked up votes for Ron Paul and his grand total has increased.

We also did a study on hand count towns versus diebold count towns. The first thing we noticed is that Obama beat hilary if the vote was counted by hand. Tonight we heard from the liberty counters that the same was true of Ron Paul, he was beating Guiliani in the hand counts they witnessed.

Continuuing to look at this, we saw that Hilary took her lead in diebold and gained (from memory) around 5 percentage points, obama lost around 2, and then Hilary won.

Also we noticed that the difference between hand and diebold gave Hilary about (from memory) 5 percentage points over where she was in hand count, it gave Romney quite a bit too, and Guiliani enough to beat Ron Paul.

Everyone else had percentages shaved off their total, including Dr. Paul losing around 2.2 percent.

I'm not sure this makes sense without seeing the spread sheet, which I can no longer find, and maybe the guy who did it --something geek?---will drop by and show it to us.

And, it might mean nothing, too, just that the cities vote opposite to the towns. But, it raised a few flags, as did guiliani coming out at 9.11 percent in three towns. Somebody posted those results. Strange.

And, today, low and behold, presto chango, the first person we ask produces 31 votes. Bet she thought we'd never ask...

It's all looking just a little strange and sloppy, but now that they've filled in the zero towns, I'm not sure we could prove any malfeasance with a count. So it's up to people if they want to do a citizens count or not.
 
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-New Hampshire LHS executive is a convicted felon
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=84314

-Map of Ron Paul precinct results
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=84256

-Citizens for Legitimate Government, "Where Paper Prevailed, Different Results"
http://www.legitgov.org/nh_machine_vs_paper.html

-New, Improved Analysis of NH Democratic Primary Results By Voting Method.
http://www.democraticunderground.co...sg&forum=132&topic_id=4009174&mesg_id=4009174

-Confirmed Vote Fraud in NH , Retired FBI Agent Files RICO lawsuits
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/po...b-i-ageny-files-rico-lawsuits.html#post286319

Ron Paul - Now The Boston Globe Changed Their Story
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zu0Oaw9tIPM

-Statistical Anomaly (25%), New Hampshire Style
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=83600

-Youtube: Is this Fraud? (Boston Globe, 01/09/2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV6qAGigGYY

-Obama and Paul poll workers kicked out of some precincts
http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2008/01/obama_and_paul.html

-99 ways to steal elections: The story of John Fund and Ron Paul
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_melinda__080109_99_ways_to_steal_ele.htm

-"Other" did quite well yesterday...
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=84047

-New Hampshire Polling Fiasco (ABC)
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2008/01/new-hampshires.html

-Diebold Voting Machines statistical bias in NH
http://ronrox.com/paulstats.php

-CNN exit poll stacked
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=84014

-NH Primary Results (source: Nashua Telegraph) *(1)
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=news0807

-NH Primary Results (source: AP) *(2)
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/county/#val=NHREP9

*Compare and Contrast Greenville for (1) and (2)

-New Hampshire Primaries - Ron Paul Forums
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=253

-Mount Vernon Fraud Exposed
http://ronpaulforum.com/showpost.php?p=317012&postcount=5

-Ron Paul Votes Not Counted In NH District
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/010908_not_counted.htm

-New Hampshire District Admits Ron Paul Votes Not Counted
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/010908_district_admits.htm

-NH Primary: Pre-Election Polls Wildly Different Than Results Announced for Clinton/Obama
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/090108Polls.htm

-Black Box Voting
http://blackboxvoting.org

-Vote Watch
http://votewatch.w4sp.com/

-Liberty Broadcast Network
http://libertybroadcastnetwork.org/

-Donate Funds for Grassroots Recount
http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount

Call Bev Harris, source for Voting Fraud
Sutton reported 0 votes for Ron Paul, all the way until late last night. State Sticking to their guns. Family said WTF, then Sutton county retracted and said Ron Paul got 31 votes, not zero. Vote fraud expert Bev Harris contacted the head clerk in Sutton, Jennifer Call, who was forced to admit that the 31 votes Ron Paul received were completely omitted from the final report sheet, claiming "human error" was responsible for the mistake.

-WE CAN DO THIS RECOUNT THING OURSELVES
http://operationwakethesefuckingidiotsup.blogspot.com/

The town of Manchester reported 570 votes for "other". Who the hell is "other"? 570 votes for the Easter Bunny?
-AJ radio network, 01/09/2008

http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=760#more-760

Youtube: Rigged USA Elections Exposed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs

Wow. Who is this "other"?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=253&order=desc&page=2

New Hampshire Townships with more then 50 votes for “OTHER”
By IG | January 9, 2008

http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=760#more-760

Barrington - 1,530 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 149 votes = 9.74%
- Huckabee = 208 votes = 13.59%
- Hunter = 11 votes = 0.72%
- McCain = 576 votes = 37.65%
- Paul = 130 votes = 8.50%
- Romney = 363 votes = 23.73%
- Thompson = 28 votes = 1.83%
- Other = 65 votes = 4.25%

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Bedford - 6,048 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro


- Giuliani = 579 votes = 9.57%
- Huckabee = 434 votes = 7.18%
- Hunter = 16 votes = 0.26%
- McCain = 2148 votes = 35.52%
- Paul = 263 votes = 4.35%
- Romney = 2479 votes = 40.99%
- Thompson = 51 votes = 0.84%
- Other = 78 votes = 1.29%

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Belmont - 1,261 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 96 votes = 7.61%
- Huckabee = 180 votes = 14.27%
- Hunter = 11 votes = 0.87%
- McCain = 456 votes = 36.16%
- Paul = 102 votes = 8.09%
- Romney = 329 votes = 26.09%
- Thompson = 30 votes = 2.38%
- Other = 57 votes = 4.52%

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Claremont - 1,631 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Hand Counted Paper Ballots

- Giuliani = 113 votes = 6.93%
- Huckabee = 309 votes = 18.95%
- Hunter = 7 votes = 0.43%
- McCain = 593 votes = 36.36%
- Paul = 120 votes = 7.36%
- Romney = 398 votes = 24.40%
- Thompson = 22 votes = 1.35%
- Other = 69 votes = 4.23%

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Concord - 6,439 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 565 votes = 8.77%
- Huckabee = 781 votes = 12.13%
- Hunter = 24 votes = 0.37%
- McCain = 2684 votes = 41.68%
- Paul = 601 votes = 9.33%
- Romney = 1577 votes = 24.49%
- Thompson = 49 votes = 0.76%
- Other = 158 votes = 2.45%

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Dover - 4,268 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 388 votes = 9.09%
- Huckabee = 458 votes = 10.73%
- Hunter = 16 votes = 0.37%
- McCain = 1779 votes = 41.68%
- Paul = 369 votes = 8.65%
- Romney = 1102 votes = 25.82%
- Thompson = 59 votes = 1.38%
- Other = 97 votes = 2.27%

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Gilford - 1,922 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 139 votes = 7.23%
- Huckabee = 139 votes = 7.23%
- Hunter = 8 votes = 0.42%
- McCain = 740 votes = 38.50%
- Paul = 78 votes = 4.06%
- Romney = 735 votes = 38.24%
- Thompson = 21 votes = 1.09%
- Other = 62 votes = 3.23%

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Goffstown - 3,561 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 308 votes = 8.65%
- Huckabee = 417 votes = 11.71%
- Hunter = 19 votes = 0.53%
- McCain = 1212 votes = 34.04%
- Paul = 260 votes = 7.30%
- Romney = 1258 votes = 35.33%
- Thompson = 30 votes = 0.84%
- Other = 57 votes = 1.60%

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Hooksett - 2,862 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 309 votes = 10.80%
- Huckabee = 295 votes = 10.31%
- Hunter = 14 votes = 0.49%
- McCain = 994 votes = 34.73%
- Paul = 169 votes = 5.90%
- Romney = 991 votes = 34.63%
- Thompson = 29 votes = 1.01%
- Other = 61 votes = 2.13%

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Hopkinton - 1,491 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 103 votes = 6.91%
- Huckabee = 140 votes = 9.39%
- Hunter = 10 votes = 0.67%
- McCain = 616 votes = 41.31%
- Paul = 80 votes = 5.37%
- Romney = 365 votes = 24.48%
- Thompson = 17 votes = 1.14%
- Other = 160 votes = 10.73%

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Hudson - 4,160 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 326 votes = 7.84%
- Huckabee = 454 votes = 10.91%
- Hunter = 21 votes = 0.50%
- McCain = 1395 votes = 33.53%
- Paul = 307 votes = 7.38%
- Romney = 1518 votes = 36.49%
- Thompson = 57 votes = 1.37%
- Other = 82 votes = 1.97%

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Keene - 2,807 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 218 votes = 7.77%
- Huckabee = 374 votes = 13.32%
- Hunter = 19 votes = 0.68%
- McCain = 1089 votes = 38.80%
- Paul = 204 votes = 7.27%
- Romney = 738 votes = 26.29%
- Thompson = 48 votes = 1.71%
- Other = 117 votes = 4.17%

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Lebanon - 1,681 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 122 votes = 7.26%
- Huckabee = 212 votes = 12.61%
- Hunter = 6 votes = 0.36%
- McCain = 726 votes = 43.19%
- Paul = 137 votes = 8.15%
- Romney = 391 votes = 23.26%
- Thompson = 34 votes = 2.02%
- Other = 53 votes = 3.15%

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Lisbon - 340 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Hand Counted Paper Ballots

- Giuliani = 28 votes = 8.24%
- Huckabee = 59 votes = 17.35%
- Hunter = 1 votes = 0.29%
- McCain = 106 votes = 31.18%
- Paul = 19 votes = 5.59%
- Romney = 47 votes = 13.82%
- Thompson = 3 votes = 0.88%
- Other = 77 votes = 22.65%

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Londonderry - 5,685 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 418 votes = 7.35%
- Huckabee = 544 votes = 9.57%
- Hunter = 19 votes = 0.33%
- McCain = 1757 votes = 30.91%
- Paul = 288 votes = 5.07%
- Romney = 1989 votes = 34.99%
- Thompson = 52 votes = 0.91%
- Other = 618 votes = 10.87% (WTF???)

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Manchester - 15,067 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD:

- Giuliani = 1454 votes = 9.65%
- Huckabee = 1640 votes = 10.88%
- Hunter = 94 votes = 0.62%
- McCain = 5119 votes = 33.97%
- Paul = 1230 votes = 8.16%
- Romney = 4935 votes = 32.75%
- Thompson = 139 votes = 0.92%
- Other = 456 votes = 3.03%

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Merrimack - 5,806 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 524 votes = 9.03%
- Huckabee = 561 votes = 9.66%
- Hunter = 41 votes = 0.71%
- McCain = 2046 votes = 35.24%
- Paul = 385 votes = 6.63%
- Romney = 2075 votes = 35.74%
- Thompson = 71 votes = 1.22%
- Other = 103 votes = 1.77%

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Nashua - 12,195 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 992 votes = 8.13%
- Huckabee = 1120 votes = 9.18%
- Hunter = 62 votes = 0.51%
- McCain = 4294 votes = 35.21%
- Paul = 979 votes = 8.03%
- Romney = 4447 votes = 36.47%
- Thompson = 128 votes = 1.05%
- Other = 173 votes = 1.42%

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Plaistow - 1,516 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 124 votes = 8.18%
- Huckabee = 97 votes = 6.40%
- Hunter = 4 votes = 0.26%
- McCain = 482 votes = 31.79%
- Paul = 99 votes = 6.53%
- Romney = 641 votes = 42.28%
- Thompson = 15 votes = 0.99%
- Other = 54 votes = 3.56%

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Portsmouth - 2,827 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 325 votes = 11.50%
- Huckabee = 196 votes = 6.93%
- Hunter = 10 votes = 0.35%
- McCain = 1219 votes = 43.12%
- Paul = 221 votes = 7.82%
- Romney = 728 votes = 25.75%
- Thompson = 26 votes = 0.92%
- Other = 102 votes = 3.61%

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Raymond - 1,829 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 160 votes = 8.75%
- Huckabee = 241 votes = 13.18%
- Hunter = 10 votes = 0.55%
- McCain = 618 votes = 33.79%
- Paul = 165 votes = 9.02%
- Romney = 527 votes = 28.81%
- Thompson = 18 votes = 0.98%
- Other = 90 votes = 4.92%

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Rochester - 4,339 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 379 votes = 8.73%
- Huckabee = 712 votes = 16.41%
- Hunter = 31 votes = 0.71%
- McCain = 1498 votes = 34.52%
- Paul = 348 votes = 8.02%
- Romney = 1123 votes = 25.88%
- Thompson = 87 votes = 2.01%
- Other = 161 votes = 3.71%

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Salem - 5,020 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 416 votes = 8.29%
- Huckabee = 402 votes = 8.01%
- Hunter = 17 votes = 0.34%
- McCain = 1566 votes = 31.20%
- Paul = 270 votes = 5.38%
- Romney = 2245 votes = 44.72%
- Thompson = 34 votes = 0.68%
- Other = 70 votes = 1.39%

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Swanzey - 1,062 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 88 votes = 8.29%
- Huckabee = 145 votes = 13.65%
- Hunter = 7 votes = 0.66%
- McCain = 413 votes = 38.89%
- Paul = 69 votes = 6.50%
- Romney = 248 votes = 23.35%
- Thompson = 17 votes = 1.60%
- Other = 75 votes = 7.06%

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Windham - 3,367 votes

VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro

- Giuliani = 266 votes = 7.90%
- Huckabee = 233 votes = 6.92%
- Hunter = 8 votes = 0.24%
- McCain = 1065 votes = 31.63%
- Paul = 148 votes = 4.40%
- Romney = 1514 votes = 44.97%
- Thompson = 28 votes = 0.83%
- Other = 105 votes = 3.12%
 
You know I have to say if your biggest job of the day is to get the totals for eight candidates accurately into a computer, I can't for the life of me figure out how you miss one.

Just 7 fingers maybe?
 
Hiring someone to investigate this will cost less than the blimp (as a 3rd party just like the blimp project). Support that FBI guy with his complaint/investigation. Provide him with your list. They are obviously valuable.

Our enemies want us to waste our time on this and not focus on the next fight.

Please let Dr. Paul decide.
 
rexsolomon said:
Hiring someone to investigate this will cost less than the blimp (as a 3rd party just like the blimp project). Support that FBI guy with his complaint/investigation. Provide him with your list. They are obviously valuable.

Our enemies want us to waste our time on this and not focus on the next fight.

Please let Dr. Paul decide.
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very good idea about hiring.

worth talking to at least.

Focus problem, that's why I suggested a committee.
 
Seems to me, based on the above, that along with RP, Obama could have an issue here too.
 
Obama could but he might not care. Not a lot of delegates at stake and he is launched. But it wouldn't hurt to ask. Maybe they will do the recount themselves.
 
The fact is we should NOT be using these diebold machines! Period! End of story!

No Machines! We need to go back to the early 80s of pen and paper. These machines are cauasing way too many problems.
 
alexa doherty said:
The fact is we should NOT be using these diebold machines! Period! End of story!

No Machines! We need to go back to the early 80s of pen and paper. These machines are cauasing way too many problems.
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Excatly. We need to ensure that the process itself is as transparent as possible.
 
rexsolomon said:
Our enemies want us to waste our time on this and not focus on the next fight.

Please let Dr. Paul decide.
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Wrong!! Our enemies want us to move on from this and focus on _______


THERE'S NOTHING TO FOCUS ON WHEN YOUR VOTE DOES NOT COUNT. THIS IS AN ELECTION. YOU CAN DONATE AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, CAMPAIGN AS MUCH AS YOU WANT BUT IF YOUR VOTE DON'T COUNT IT MEANS SQWAT!!!
 
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