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[SteveMartin]

Hey everyone,

This is an extension of the earlier thread where I said that the "professional polls" are dooming our campaign. What we came up with there was the idea of buying our own professional polls, and for $7800, we can get four polls done by a reputable polling firm--2 in NH, and 2 national polls.

In each case we will be polling from ALL Independents and from ALL Republican regardless of whether or not those people voted in the last primary--indeed, whether or not they have ever voted at all!

We are convinced this will give us, and the world (if we do our follow up work well) a much truer picture of Ron Paul's level of support than merely polling from the measly 6% of Republicans who voted in the last Republican Primary for an unopposed incumbent neocon, and NOT EVEN MENTIONING RON PAUL's NAME.

If you can spare something for this effort, please visit the chipin widget on the right side of this site: www.TheFreedomNetwork.US

Thanks everyone!

Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, and Happy New Year!

 

[SteveMartin]

Notice: I am going to shamelessly bump this thread, if it doesn't get bumped by others, because I believe VERY STRONGLY in the value of this project!

 

[Gordon]

The ms media won't report it. We need to keep posting other polls.

 

[saahmed]

Is it a little late for this? IA is in 13 days and NH is soon after. And do the polls really matter? It is the actual vote at the real poll that matters and these are coming up very soon. We will find out what our real support is.

 

[Revolutn]

Is it a little late for this? IA is in 13 days and NH is soon after. And do the polls really matter? It is the actual vote at the real poll that matters and these are coming up very soon. We will find out what our real support is.

I feel and thinking similarly.

However, there IS an argument to be made yet.... we've all heard from people we've promoted the good Dr. to that "I like him but he can't win" or similar such sentiments....and if you haven't...well then you aren't talking to people, or enough of them.

If you/we had a legitimate national poll to show his numbers at say double or triple the alleged national MSM cited poll support #'s that might draw people in just because they now consider him to be a viable candidate. As they draw in his #'s go even higher and that draws even more people in....a real snowball effect.

P.S.
Hey Steve, I knew I'd see you here eventually....surprised it took this long.
What no petition?

 

[SteveMartin]

Listen,

This isn't the place to debates the merits or demerits. That was done on the old thread, and there was plenty of support for the idea.

WE CAN DO THIS!!, AND WE CAN GET THE MEDIA TO REPORT IT--if we do things right.

Please don't come in and nay say now. Just don't contribute if you think it has no merit.

Thanks!

 

[GHoeberX]

Hey everyone,

This is an extension of the earlier thread where I said that the "professional polls" are dooming our campaign. What we came up with there was the idea of buying our own professional polls, and for $7800, we can get four polls done by a reputable polling firm--2 in NH, and 2 national polls.

In each case we will be polling from ALL Independents and from ALL Republican regardless of whether or not those people voted in the last primary--indeed, whether or not they have ever voted at all!

We are convinced this will give us, and the world (if we do our follow up work well) a much truer picture of Ron Paul's level of support than merely polling from the measly 6% of Republicans who voted in the last Republican Primary for an unopposed incumbent neocon, and NOT EVEN MENTIONING RON PAUL's NAME.

If you can spare something for this effort, please visit the chipin widget on the right side of this site: www.TheFreedomNetwork.US

Thanks everyone!

Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, and Happy New Year!

I approve this message

 

[maxbish]

Bold idea, but it doesn't work. How do I know? Someone did this already with Zogby, and they spun their own paid poll:

http://www.zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1391

Alex Jones paid thousands of dollars for this blind poll. The results are not reported until the last paragraph. The entire article up to that point reports data pulled from the same questions Zogby directed to a specific group only. The media never reported Alex's poll even though it was done by Zogby, arguably the most recognized and respected name in polling.

And you likely never heard about this either, proving that the poll idea, while bold on the surface, is flawed because it relies on dated methods and the MSM for unbiased coverage.

Keep brainstorming, thx!

 

[SteveMartin]

Thanks GH,

As soon as we have $3900, WE CAN GET THE POLLING COMPANY ROLLING! We could literally have this done by the New Year, if people contribute IN TIME FOR IOWA...but I am shooting for NH as the worst case...

 

[hellah10]

we could use $7,800 in other ways...in my opinion

 

[SteveMartin]

Bold idea, but it doesn't work. How do I know? Someone did this already with Zogby, and they spun their own paid poll:

http://www.zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1391

Alex Jones paid thousands of dollars for this blind poll. The results are not reported until the last paragraph. The entire article up to that point reports data pulled from questions Zogby added to the polling questions. The media never reported Alex's poll even though it was done by Zogby, arguably the most recognized and respected name in polling.

And you likely never heard about this either, proving that the poll idea, while bold on the surface, is flawed because it relies on dated methods and the MSM for unbiased coverage.

Keep brainstorming, thx!

Again Max, Please. This was all discussed previously. Please just don't contribute then if you don't like the idea.

Alex went with the wrong company. We are being far more careful. The poll he used was interesting, but could not be used for media purposes as NO CANDIDATES were even mentioned.

 

[Revolutn]

Thanks GH,

As soon as we have $3900, WE CAN GET THE POLLING COMPANY ROLLING! We could literally have this done by the New Year, if people contribute IN TIME FOR IOWA...but I am shooting for NH as the worst case...

Small piece of friendly advice then Steve.... if it's you or whomever controls that Chip-in make sure they login and accept the payments often.

I gave to one chip-in that all but failed under it's own management.
The graph showed $0 collected for something like 10 days because the account administrator hadn't 'accepted' the payments coming in via PayPal to finalize the transaction.

People like to give to causes with traction, so if they see your Chip-in racking up the donations and passing financial milestones they will be more likely to throw down a few bucks to help contribute to an idea that looks like a winner.

 

[maxbish]

Again Max, Please. This was all discussed previously. Please just don't contribute then if you don't like the idea.

No problems, I didn't see the earlier discussion and did not know that you saw what happened with that Zogby poll so I wanted to ensue that you were aware. I did not mean to dissuade you from becoming actively involved in the fight.

Good luck & I wish you the best, even though I will not be contributing financially

 

[Cleaner44]

Bold idea, but it doesn't work. How do I know? Someone did this already with Zogby, and they spun their own paid poll:

http://www.zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1391

Alex Jones paid thousands of dollars for this blind poll. The results are not reported until the last paragraph. The entire article up to that point reports data pulled from the same questions Zogby directed to a specific group only. The media never reported Alex's poll even though it was done by Zogby, arguably the most recognized and respected name in polling.

And you likely never heard about this either, proving that the poll idea, while bold on the surface, is flawed because it relies on dated methods and the MSM for unbiased coverage.

Keep brainstorming, thx!

I agree, the MSM won't help us in promoting a positive poll anyway. My opinion is that the money could be better spent helping get RP votes.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Waste of money

The official campaign is already commissioning polls.

Try to win votes, not win over the messenger.

 

[SteveMartin]

The official campaign is already commissioning polls.

Please elaborate.

 

[SteveMartin]

No problems, I didn't see the earlier discussion and did not know that you saw what happened with that Zogby poll so I wanted to ensue that you were aware. I did not mean to dissuade you from becoming actively involved in the fight.

Good luck & I wish you the best, even though I will not be contributing financially

No problem, Bud.

Thanks.

"...becoming actively involved..." LOL...have been since mid-April!

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Use the money to canvas

 

[SteveMartin]

Are you guys asleep or what!?!

$7800 to break the stranglehold of the major media and their bogus polls upon the minds of the millions who love Ron Paul but have been taught to think that he can't win???

LUDICROUS>

 

[SteveMartin]

The official campaign is already commissioning polls.

Try to win votes, not win over the messenger.

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