We DID WIN Washington!!

[Rusty John]

*chuckle*

I'm realistic enough to know that we've most likely lost the national election. But this is my state, and we worked our asses off. So we're going to correct things that people are saying that are wrong. The media is reporting the STRAW POLL RESULTS. These results have nothing to do with the delegate %.

Lol...I'mcutting and pasting because these folks aren't understanding what we are saying.

"A lot of those uncommitted delegates are Ron Paul supporters. The reason why is we were told by RP state headquarters NOT to identify ourselves as Ron Paul supporters when we first caucused.

However, the way the state GOP ran this thing is when everyone first signed in at their precinct they asked us to list out name, address, contact info and to put our presidential preference on the sign in sheet. I put Ron Paul- but was hesitant to. I spoke to other people in my precinct who were Ron Paul delegates who put down uncommitted as they were told by state headquarters.

In my precinct we had 7 people show up. Two were Ron Paul supporters, two were Huckabee supporters, two were McCain supporters and one was a Romney supporter. We elected delegates- a Huckabee supporter was one and I was another.

In other precincts several Ron Paul supporters were nominated as delegates. They thought that after the delegates were chosen they would ask us who we supported. Instead, after we picked delegates, the PCOs wrote down our presidential preference from the sign-in sheet.

As a result, there are a significant amount of the 10 or 11% showing "undecided" who are Paul supporters. The thought process on this by the campaign was we'd sneak more delegates under the radar, but right now, in my opinion, we don't need more delegates under the radar, we need to win a friggn' state so we get press coverage."

 

[jeff43]

I'm realistic enough to know that we've most likely lost the national election.

Troll?

 

[Rusty John]

It's not a STRAW POLL. It is NOT a straw poll. These are the sampled RESULTS of the precinct's state delegate choices.

You guys keep accusing me of not knowing the process and then you spit this garbage out. I might as well be explaining economics to communists. Seriously, this group think needs to stop. Your ability to reason has become dormant.

These are not state delegates- these are precinct delegates chosen to the county convention scheduled in April who then pick the state delegates.

 

[billyjoeallen]

Why no exit poll numbers????
There were exit polls in almost every other state-why not Washington?

Exit polls would give us an idea how many of the uncommitted votes were for Paul.

 

[Rusty John]

Continuing from the other thread...

"Further, some legislative districts conducted a straw poll before voting for delegates and the straw poll results are being report. Still other districts, like mine, did not take a straw poll. They instead used the sign in sheets."

 

[JWZguy]

Give me a break. After every Ron Paul loss all you hear is MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM on these boards. Why is it impossible for some people to admit a loss?

Why are you insisting it was a loss when the fact is, you don't know? It's an extremely close race even without the uncommitted votes. Not all the results have been reported. There's no reason to jump to NEGATIVE conclusions.

 

[gray]

It's not a STRAW POLL. It is NOT a straw poll. These are the sampled RESULTS of the precinct's state delegate choices.

You guys keep accusing me of not knowing the process and then you spit this garbage out. I might as well be explaining economics to communists. Seriously, this group think needs to stop. Your ability to reason has become dormant.

how come you're the only one saying this? from what I've heard the actual delegate count isn't even known until the county caucus...the STRAW poll is only a BEAUTY contest.

 

[kyleAF]

See this thread explaining the process...if I cut and past and got this to work right and you'll understand what we are talking about

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=117563

Thank you. Read this, guys.

And the LA thing: seriously, this primary meant *nothing* unless 51% was achieved by a candidate. It was not. Huckabee got face time, and McCain got a "defeat" of popularity, but McCain still got more delegates than Huckabee and so did we, since the delegates were chosen at the caucus which took place a couple of weeks ago.

Jeff, each state has different rules on how delegates are selected and on what is given to the reporting outlets to show "winners". Most of the reporting on the MSM is what we like to call a "beauty contest". Sorta like on "Whose Line Is It Anyway" where the points don't really matter .

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on this, and so I'm trying to explain instead of just argue. Imagine that the MSM had to wait until the conventions (in a couple of months) to report delegate numbers. That's bad for marketing. It's much better to have some sort of running total so they can have their ratings. That's the beauty contest. That's what you see. The delegates are the only thing that matters, though.

Fortilite, well I don't know what to say... you've been here a while. You should know that.

 

[Rusty John]

And still continuing from the other thread...

"This is how it works...

Today, we selected delegates from our precincts (in essence, our neighborhoods). These delegates go to the county caucus in a few weeks to select delegates to the state convention. From there, the state convention chooses the national delegates.

I will use my precinct as an example of what happened today...

The room we were caucusing in was divided up by precinct. I live in a very heavily Dem precinct so only 7 people showed up from my neighborhood. We each sign in on the sign in sheet listing our name, contact info and presidential preference. In my precinct we had 2 Paul supporters, 2 McCain supporters, 2 Huckabee supporters and one Romney supporter. My precinct was to elect 1 delegate and 1 alternate to the county caucus.

When they asked for delegate nominees, only three people nominated themselves- two Huckabee people and myself. The four other people said they could not make it to the county caucus or didn't want to be delegates.

The second Huckabee person told the first one that they weren't interested in being a delegate if there was a Hucakbee person going so that just left me and thisother guy for the delegate spot. All 7 of us voted. Four voted for Huckabee guy, three voted for me. So, for our precinct, it shows Huckabee winning a delegate and Paul winning an alternate.

In other precincts however, there were many people who signed in as Uncommitted who were actually Paul supporters. When their precincts are reported it shows the delegate listed as uncommitted. We all thought that after the voting we would be listing our nominee but that did not happen- they just went by the sign in sheet."

 

[jeff43]

It's not a STRAW POLL. It is NOT a straw poll. These are the sampled RESULTS of the precinct's state delegate choices.

You guys keep accusing me of not knowing the process and then you spit this garbage out. I might as well be explaining economics to communists. Seriously, this group think needs to stop. Your ability to reason has become dormant.

I agree with you, but it's obvious they aren't understanding. The best they can come up with is the Rudy Giuliani defense, "I WAS THERE!!!!!!" Meanwhile, the recap on the Washington GOP's own website says that McCain won 25.5% of the delegates with 87% reporting.

"The percentages reflect the preferences of delegates who were chosen at precinct caucuses around the state earlier today." -Washington GOP website

 

[fortilite]

Lol...I'mcutting and pasting because these folks aren't understanding what we are saying.

"A lot of those uncommitted delegates are Ron Paul supporters. The reason why is we were told by RP state headquarters NOT to identify ourselves as Ron Paul supporters when we first caucused.

However, the way the state GOP ran this thing is when everyone first signed in at their precinct they asked us to list out name, address, contact info and to put our presidential preference on the sign in sheet. I put Ron Paul- but was hesitant to. I spoke to other people in my precinct who were Ron Paul delegates who put down uncommitted as they were told by state headquarters.

In my precinct we had 7 people show up. Two were Ron Paul supporters, two were Huckabee supporters, two were McCain supporters and one was a Romney supporter. We elected delegates- a Huckabee supporter was one and I was another.

In other precincts several Ron Paul supporters were nominated as delegates. They thought that after the delegates were chosen they would ask us who we supported. Instead, after we picked delegates, the PCOs wrote down our presidential preference from the sign-in sheet.

As a result, there are a significant amount of the 10 or 11% showing "undecided" who are Paul supporters. The thought process on this by the campaign was we'd sneak more delegates under the radar, but right now, in my opinion, we don't need more delegates under the radar, we need to win a friggn' state so we get press coverage."

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Enough fun though, I suspect clones of this stupid thread will be popping up after every state convention from now on.

 

[JWZguy]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=116915&page=3

Why don't you read the last few pages of this thread where I was one of only two people defending Ron Paul against a white supremacist trying to associate Ron Paul with that collectivist garbage? Would a troll do that? Would a troll vow to stay in this revolution as long as he lived as I did earlier today? I don't think so. I'm focusing on spreading Ron Paul's message beyond his Presidential bid.

I was too busy reading the other 80 posts you trying to piss people off. None of them had anything to do with spreading RP's message.

I'm done feeding you, so everyone else can just do a search on you for themselves. If this is the best way you have to spend your time, I feel sorry for you.

 

[TruthAtLast]

MSM

Give me a break. After every Ron Paul loss all you hear is MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM on these boards. Why is it impossible for some people to admit a loss?

Fortilite... you're right. Clearly people aren't saying that we've won every state (at least I hope they aren't). Some states we did downright horrible. But you've been involved with this campaign for a long time. Surely you also know that the media not only distorts the truth, they don't even know the truth half the time.

I was watching CNN last night and they were trying to explain the delegates and the guy flat out said he isn't sure how it works. They were stumbling all over themselves and just kept going back to the exit polling numbers because he said "we don't want to confuse our viewers".

Are you saying that there is absolutely NO POSSIBLE WAY that based on the delegate selection process, we couldn't have a few more delegates than were actually reported by the media?

 

[Rusty John]

And finally, from my other thread...

"Also, it should be noted that many of the people there who had been through the process before said the turn out for this year's caucus was greater than they had ever seen. We ran out of chairs. This was largely due to Ron Paul supporters.

Before every one starts in on the fraud and conspiracy crap....I should also note that every one there was very nice and civil- eventhe old timers who weren't Paul supporters were glad to see some many showup at a GOP caucus. We have a governor out here who is loathed by 60% of the population and we have a very strong GOP candidate named Dino Rossi running against the governor- they were glad to welcome us and hopeful we'd vote for Dino. My PCO (the Romney guy) works a couple of blocks down the street from me and invited me to lunch and wanted us Paul supporters to be more active in the county GOP.

Finally- I can't say enough about how much everyone hates McCain. A lot of the people voting for Huckabee did so because they think he is the only one who can mathematically beat McCain."

 

[Rusty John]

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Enough fun though, I suspect clones of this stupid thread will be popping up after every state convention from now on.

hey dipshit, did you actually go to a Washington state caucus today? If so, what legislative district and precinct?

 

[tomveil]

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Enough fun though, I suspect clones of this stupid thread will be popping up after every state convention from now on.

Well, I guess we'll see at the county convention April 19.

We'll get a lot more than 21% of the delegates. Until then you can spout all the bullshit you want, but then the truth will come out.

 

[fortilite]

Fortilite... you're right. Clearly people aren't saying that we've won every state (at least I hope they aren't). Some states we did downright horrible. But you've been involved with this campaign for a long time. Surely you also know that the media not only distorts the truth, they don't even know the truth half the time.

Actually I have noticed that the national delegates reflect the media exit polls very accurately so far. The MSM is crap in other areas of the election coverage, but so far they have been 100% on this issue. So I trust the MSM in this area of election results more than I do some anonymous Ron Paul supporter (and let's face it, we don't tend to post realistic predictions).

 

[Avalon]

hey dipshit, did you actually go to a Washington state caucus today? If so, what legislative district and precinct?

If you read the thread from the start, it will be clear to you that he's paid opposition, like jeff. There's no reasoning with either of them.

 

[kyleAF]

See this thread explaining the process...if I cut and past and got this to work right and you'll understand what we are talking about

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=117563

Thank you. Read this, guys.

And the LA thing: seriously, this primary meant *nothing* unless 51% was achieved by a candidate. It was not. Huckabee got face time, and McCain got a "defeat" of popularity, but McCain still got more delegates than Huckabee and so did we, since the delegates were chosen at the caucus which took place a couple of weeks ago.

Jeff, each state has different rules on how delegates are selected and on what is given to the reporting outlets to show "winners". Most of the reporting on the MSM is what we like to call a "beauty contest". Sorta like on "Whose Line Is It Anyway" where the points don't really matter .

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on this, and so I'm trying to explain instead of just argue. Imagine that the MSM had to wait until the conventions (in a couple of months) to report delegate numbers. That's bad for marketing. It's much better to have some sort of running total so they can have their ratings. That's the beauty contest. That's what you see. The delegates are the only thing that matters, though.

Fortilite, well I don't know what to say... you've been here a while. You should know that.

 

[Rusty John]

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Enough fun though, I suspect clones of this stupid thread will be popping up after every state convention from now on.

Because I can link you to the instructions from the state campaign site that said, "don't identify yourself as a Ron Paul supporter." If you'd like, I can also give you the names and phone numbers of four delegates in my legislative district who are listed as Uncommitted but who are Ron Paul delegates. But what would I know? I'm just a fucking delegate.