We DID WIN Washington!!

[TruthAtLast]

There doesn't seem to be any hard evidence on either side of this argument.

One side is basing their claim entirely on the straw poll that the Media is reporting (and we know how competent, trustworthy, and honest they are) You can keep spitting out the percentages posted by the MSM, but if you really trust them, there are bigger issues to deal with here.

The other side of this argument is basing their claim on their understanding of how the actual delegate selection works and the fact that they were ACTUALLY THERE.

Is there hard facts either way... no, but I'd lean toward trusting a Ron Paul supporter that actually attended the caucus before I trust the word of the MSM.

I totally understand the point that an "official" win really help moral and could lead to more delegates in other states. But I can also understand that registering as uncommitted is probably used to help some Ron Paul supporters fill delegate slots that might not have been available had they officially registered for RP.

Either way, everything means nothing if McCain gets the 1191. So Texas and other key states will be important if there is any chance.

If a miracle is pulled off and there actually is a brokered convention, this whole strategy may be genius. If not, then a lot of it could be wasted.

 

[fortilite]

McCain has 26% of the committed delegates, Huckabee has 24%, Ron Paul has 21%, and 13% are uncommitted.

Let's do some math kids.

If McCain and Huckabee get equal number of uncommitted, that means that Ron Paul needs 61% of the uncommitted delegates. (21+8, 26+2.5, 24+2.5) then (8/13=61%).

And yet with 3 candidates running, you assume that at least 61% of those uncommitted delegates are Ron Paul delegates. That is wishful thinking.

 

[JWZguy]

The signature with Ron Paul quotes in it. But you're right, everyone with Ron Paul quotes in their signature is a troll. Ban them all. Ban them all for focusing on spreading Ron Paul's message beyond his Presidential bid. They have no place in this forum or this campaign.

All you've focused on is trying to make people angry, not Ron Paul's message.

I don't think fortilite is a troll, but anyone who reads any random 10% of your posts will immediately see what you are doing.

You are a troll, by definition, regardless of whether you actually happen to support Ron Paul or not. Trolling on a Ron Paul forum makes me think not.

 

[Revolution9]

The signature with Ron Paul quotes in it. But you're right, everyone with Ron Paul quotes in their signature is a troll. Ban them all. Ban them all for focusing on spreading Ron Paul's message beyond his Presidential bid. They have no place in this forum or this campaign.

Sounds to me like trite and utter prevarication. I call you suspect and your words should be measured carefully against your supposed intentions by all readers save your fellow compatriots in tomfoolery.. Ron Paul is not moving on as you claim. That sounds like wishful thinking. I say the hammer of doom should fall on your ass from my sense of smell.

Randy

 

[Avalon]

"Winning" this vote in WA wouldn't make a lick of difference because everyone who isn't a die hard supporter thinks RP has absolutely no chance. Even a landslide win in WA wouldn't change their mind. All that matters is picking up real delegates, so TELL ALL RON PAUL SUPPORTERS EVERYWHERE THAT WE WON WA! We need to prevent McCain from winning remaining delegates and we need to win as many later round unbound delegates as possible.

 

[Rusty John]

See this thread explaining the process...if I cut and past and got this to work right and you'll understand what we are talking about

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=117563

 

[fortilite]

One side is basing their claim entirely on the straw poll that the Media is reporting (and we know how competent, trustworthy, and honest they are) You can keep spitting out the percentages posted by the MSM, but if you really trust them, there are bigger issues to deal with here.

The other side of this argument is basing their claim on their understanding of how the actual delegate selection works and the fact that they were ACTUALLY THERE.

I understand the process a lot better than the "other side".

 

[jeff43]

All you've focused on is trying to make people angry, not Ron Paul's message.

I don't think fortilite is a troll, but anyone who reads any random 10% of your posts will immediately see what you are doing.

You are a troll, by definition, regardless of whether you actually happen to support Ron Paul or not. Trolling on a Ron Paul forum makes me think not.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=116915&page=3

Why don't you read the last few pages of this thread where I was one of only two people defending Ron Paul against a white supremacist trying to associate Ron Paul with that collectivist garbage? Would a troll do that? Would a troll vow to stay in this revolution as long as he lived as I did earlier today? I don't think so. I'm focusing on spreading Ron Paul's message beyond his Presidential bid.

 

[gray]

I understand the process a lot better than the "other side".

do you understand what's going on or are you just going to repeat the percentages from the msm over and over all night?

 

[Hook]

If you were on the WA boards all day you would have seen the many posters who went to the WA caucuses and said they signed in as 'uncommitted' as instructed by the campaign. There was a lot of RP hype at the caucuses. Even the king's website had live coverage saying that RP had the most support there.

The votes that cnn put out are only the sign in sheets man...and now there's an audio clip out that says that the votes weren't even from the sign in sheets...they were from primary absentee ballots.

This is new to me. So you're saying that they aren't even counting delegates now????

 

[JWZguy]

McCain has 26% of the committed delegates, Huckabee has 24%, Ron Paul has 21%, and 13% are uncommitted.

Let's do some math kids.

If McCain and Huckabee get equal number of uncommitted, that means that Ron Paul needs 61% of the uncommitted delegates. (21+8, 26+2.5, 24+2.5) then (8/13=61%).

And yet with 3 candidates running, you assume that at least 61% of those uncommitted delegates are Ron Paul delegates. That is wishful thinking.

Sounds completely reasonable to me, given what people in WA were posting before the results came in, and the fact that the RP delegates have a lot more motivation to keep a low profile than the other guys.

I think it was a really bad idea to do that, though. Let's pretend we know for a fact that all the uncommitted people were running for Ron Paul.

I think it would have been better at this stage to risk losing WA in exchange for the chance to have an advertised win. WA, LA, and TX can't win us the nomination alone. We need airtime, not just a handful more delegates.

 

[tomveil]

Wow....you guys are getting so pissed over nothing.

I'm not sure why you people think that the straw poll % = delegate %. I'm also not sure why the people who understand that are so pissed off.

Probably just the attitude the last few days.

 

[tomveil]

Yeah, I've heard this before. In Wyoming, for example.

Huh? Almost none of our people were allowed to vote in Wyoming, because of the nature of their caucuses.

 

[fortilite]

do you understand what's going on or are you just going to repeat the percentages from the msm over and over all night?

MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM

Give me a break. After every Ron Paul loss all you hear is MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM on these boards. Why is it impossible for some people to admit a loss?

 

[gray]

This is new to me. So you're saying that they aren't even counting delegates now????

if people would check out the wa boards, then yes...it seems the percentages on the msm were 'straw polls' which are just a tally of who delegates supported when they signed in. However, there's a rumor that the straw poll numbers are coming from absentee ballots for the primary...which is a whole different issue.

 

[tomveil]

McCain has 26% of the committed delegates, Huckabee has 24%, Ron Paul has 21%, and 13% are uncommitted.

Let's do some math kids.

If McCain and Huckabee get equal number of uncommitted, that means that Ron Paul needs 61% of the uncommitted delegates. (21+8, 26+2.5, 24+2.5) then (8/13=61%).

And yet with 3 candidates running, you assume that at least 61% of those uncommitted delegates are Ron Paul delegates. That is wishful thinking.

Why are you assuming these %s are correct? The straw poll has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ELECTION OF THE DELEGATES.

 

[TruthAtLast]

Sounds completely reasonable to me, given what people in WA were posting before the results came in, and the fact that the RP delegates have a lot more motivation to keep a low profile than the other guys.

I think it was a really bad idea to do that, though. Let's pretend we know for a fact that all the uncommitted people were running for Ron Paul.

I think it would have been better at this stage to risk losing WA in exchange for the chance to have an advertised win. WA, LA, and TX can't win us the nomination alone. We need airtime, not just a handful more delegates.

i agree. more delegates helps, but the campaign really needed a win right now.

 

[Rusty John]

Again, if you would get out of this thread and read this link, you would realize what occurred today in Washington and what numbers are being reported in the press.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=117563

 

[tomveil]

MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM

Give me a break. After every Ron Paul loss all you hear is MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM on these boards. Why is it impossible for some people to admit a loss?

*chuckle*

I'm realistic enough to know that we've most likely lost the national election. But this is my state, and we worked our asses off. So we're going to correct things that people are saying that are wrong. The media is reporting the STRAW POLL RESULTS. These results have nothing to do with the delegate %.

 

[fortilite]

Wow....you guys are getting so pissed over nothing.

I'm not sure why you people think that the straw poll % = delegate %. I'm also not sure why the people who understand that are so pissed off.

Probably just the attitude the last few days.

It's not a STRAW POLL. It is NOT a straw poll. These are the sampled RESULTS of the precinct's state delegate choices.

You guys keep accusing me of not knowing the process and then you spit this garbage out. I might as well be explaining economics to communists. Seriously, this group think needs to stop. Your ability to reason has become dormant.