We did well in Oregon, totals not completely in

[parocks]

Did you guys see this:

Ron Paul Supporter Attacked Trying To Retrieve Stolen Ballots From Oregon CD4 Convention

awesome. this is one to spread I think.

 

[RonRules]

awesome. this is one to spread I think.

Like yeah!!!

The actual assault occurred unfortunately off camera. Even with two cameras running the ballot box thief was clearly going to assault again.

 

[sailingaway]

awesome. this is one to spread I think.

apparently that isn't even the real attack which happened before that. The guy attacked took the best clips he could but had a new phone with preset settings of 30 second video clips so he has to put them together as best he can. This is after the real attack, apparently.

 

[parocks]

From the video description:
"Oregon Congressional District 4, Saturday June 23, 2012, Roseburg, Oregon. The convention was shut down improperly by Oregon Republican leaders. The convention was not adjourned and previous motions adopted by the body stated the convention would complete all voting before adjourning for the night. But Republican leaders had their own agenda to complete the voting process of Alternate Delegates by dictatorship of the executive committee. People became furious of the news that the ballots had been stolen from the building, prompting a hunt for the ballots outside. When the ballots were found being loaded into a vehicle a Ron Paul supporter was attacked trying to return the ballots to the building for completion of the voting process."

I didn't see the "attack", but we did see the ballots in the parking lot, and she did return the ballots to the counting room.

 

[WhistlinDave]

I would like the title of the video a lot more if the attack was caught on camera... Clearly though the guy was agitated and I believe if the camera hadn't been rolling he would've continued.

This is more of the usual... Amazing how they think they can cheat and get away with it.

 

[RonRules]

I notified the Lawyers for Ron Paul and gave them a link to the video.

If people reading this thread were present and witnessed the attack or other anomalies, please contact David Callihan of Lawyers for RP.

 

[parocks]

apparently that isn't even the real attack which happened before that. The guy attacked took the best clips he could but had a new phone with preset settings of 30 second video clips so he has to put them together as best he can. This is after the real attack, apparently.

I hadn't heard of the "attack". I think the story of

1) saying "oh, we don't have ballots any more and we have to adjourn"

2) and then just walking right out there and stopping her.

and

3) returning the ballots to a room where they're all clearly counting ballots

really really really tells the story of them being caught cheating. These pictures really tell 1000 words.

I'm not big on the assault angle as much. The story is cheating. And that ballot stealer taking the ballots back. If there was a reason she had the ballots in the parking lot, I'm not sure why she brought them back into the building. I think Ben Swann will like this footage.

 

[No1butPaul]

FN WOW! WOW, WOW, WOW, WOW, WOW! This just makes me ill. Only a matter of time before someone was caught red-handed like this. I'm so happy about that! GO LFRP!!!!!

 

[WhistlinDave]

I hadn't heard of the "attack". I think the story of

1) saying "oh, we don't have ballots any more and we have to adjourn"

2) and then just walking right out there and stopping her.

and

3) returning the ballots to a room where they're all clearly counting ballots

really really really tells the story of them being caught cheating. These pictures really tell 1000 words.

I'm not big on the assault angle as much. The story is cheating. And that ballot stealer taking the ballots back. If there was a reason she had the ballots in the parking lot, I'm not sure why she brought them back into the building. I think Ben Swann will like this footage.

I agree completely -- if there was an assault, then I hope the police were called and took a report. The guy doesn't look like he was hurt, so that probably didn't happen. If that's the case, and there was no police report made, then the assault angle is probably more of a waste of time than anything. BUT -- This video clearly shows cheating going on. (Yet again.)

 

[sailingaway]

I agree completely -- if there was an assault, then I hope the police were called and took a report. The guy doesn't look like he was hurt, so that probably didn't happen. If that's the case, and there was no police report made, then the assault angle is probably more of a waste of time than anything. BUT -- This video clearly shows cheating going on. (Yet again.)

I think the assault was more on the video camera/phone in terms of striking it

 

[No1butPaul]

I didn't see the "attack", but we did see the ballots in the parking lot, and she did return the ballots to the counting room.

She told Dale that Alan/Allen said to take the ballots back ... so my question, who is Alan??? If he was the one that told them to take the ballots back, he was probably the one that told them to take them away in the first place.

 

[RonRules]

I agree completely -- if there was an assault, then I hope the police were called and took a report. The guy doesn't look like he was hurt, so that probably didn't happen.

I'm OK with using cheating as the main angle, but:

Technically an assault did occur on video:

Definition: "An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm."

"There must be a reasonable fear of injury. The usual test applied is whether the act would induce such apprehension in the mind of a reasonable person."

That all occurred on the video you watched. Couple that with the statement from the videographer that he was assaulted prior to the video footage, there is a strong case for assault here.

This is technically an assault. Touching or harm is not required:

Being that this was related to voting and elections, it's a 5 year Federal prison term for guys that do that. If the situation was turned around and a Ron Paul supporter did that, I guarantee you that the cops would be there and he'd be in jail waiting for sentencing.

 

[sailingaway]

I'm OK with using cheating as the main angle, but:

Technically an assault did occur on video:

Definition: "An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm."

"There must be a reasonable fear of injury. The usual test applied is whether the act would induce such apprehension in the mind of a reasonable person."

That all occurred on the video you watched. Couple that with the statement from the videographer that he was assaulted prior to the video footage, there is a strong case for assault here.

This is technically an assault. Touching or harm is not required:

Being that this was related to voting and elections, it's a 5 year Federal prison term for guys that do that. If the situation was turned around and a Ron Paul supporter did that, I guarantee you that the cops would be there and he'd be in jail waiting for sentencing.

What you are quoting is the tort, civil definition. That is what you use to sue someone.

The criminal definition required contact, I believe.

 

[Pisces]

From what I remember from the Business Law class I took in college, threatening bodily harm is assault. Actually making contact and causing bodily harm is battery.

 

[devil21]

Battery is physical harm. Assault can be aggressive behavior, usually with a verbal aspect. Sometimes it's even verbal actions alone. (Pisces above beat me to it by moments)

Glad that video made it to the net. That's the first time I've seen a video of the cheaters caught red handed. Definitely make sure that video gets saved many times offline.

Im still trying to understand exactly what happened on that video. Is the aggressive man the state GOP rep the chair was talking about? Or was it the woman in the yellow shirt as the state GOP rep? Either one must be pretty high up the GOP ladder in Oregon so this could get interesting. Especially if it's the man.

 

[RonRules]

What you are quoting is the tort, civil definition. That is what you use to sue someone.

The criminal definition required contact, I believe.

I was thinking in terms of the criminal definition. I looked up the California definition:

Penal Code 240 PC

California law defines an "assault" under Penal Code 240 PC as an unlawful attempt... coupled with a present ability...to commit a violent injury upon another person.

Simply put, it means performing an act that is likely to result in the application of force to another person.

Because California assault law doesn't require an actual injury, it's easy for people to be falsely accused of (and wrongfully arrested for) this offense. As former prosecutors and law enforcement officers, we understand exactly how to investigate...and, more importantly, defend...against these types of bogus assault charges.

Someone look up Oregon law!

 

[Jackie Moon]

She told Dale that Alan/Allen said to take the ballots back ... so my question, who is Alan??? If he was the one that told them to take the ballots back, he was probably the one that told them to take them away in the first place.

I'm pretty sure she is talking about Allen Alley, Oregon Republican Party Chairman.

I wonder who he supports?

Mitt Romney listens to Oregon GOP Chairman Allen Alley at a Romney fundraiser held at the home of John & Kim Bradley (West Hills, OR) on July 11, 2011.

This is from part of a letter to him from Sharlyn Tipton, PCP from Roseburg in CD4:

Next, we find out that the ballots are gone! OK, fine. We are at a college. We can find blank paper and hand write the names of our chosen delegates. Come to find out not just the blank ballots are gone, but the completed ballots with all of our previous votes have been taken by Terri Moffett of the ORP.

I was in shock! How dare she take our ballots when we are still in session? Who gave her the right to remove those votes? I stood up and asked Fred Dayton, Jr. Vice-Chair of CD4, “Under whose authority did she take our ballots?” Fred answered that she is the liaison to CD4 from the ORP and that her boss told her to take the ballots. I then asked Fred a follow-up question, “Who is her boss?” His answer was, “Allen Alley.” I thanked Fred and sat down.

 

[sailingaway]

I was thinking in terms of the criminal definition. I looked up the California definition:

Penal Code 240 PC

California law defines an "assault" under Penal Code 240 PC as an unlawful attempt... coupled with a present ability...to commit a violent injury upon another person.

Simply put, it means performing an act that is likely to result in the application of force to another person.

Because California assault law doesn't require an actual injury, it's easy for people to be falsely accused of (and wrongfully arrested for) this offense. As former prosecutors and law enforcement officers, we understand exactly how to investigate...and, more importantly, defend...against these types of bogus assault charges.

Someone look up Oregon law!

I stand corrected. I thought it was threat plus touching, but it is threat plus ATTEMPT. I knew it didn't require damage, but I knew criminal required more than just apparent ability. Huh. I've had that wrong for a long time.... :o

 

[No1butPaul]

I'm pretty sure she is talking about Allen Alley, Oregon Republican Party Chairman.

Allen is in BIG trouble...and, he looks like a rat.

 

[devil21]

So that message above says the order came straight from the state party chairman. Nice.